Post by: elkhuntingcouple on August 26, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
We went up to the Observatory and received some hand outs on where you can hunt in the area, you cannot hunt any of the monument. There is the pumis flats hunt (4) people only get this hunt. And you cannot ride horses into the area if you do get an elk. The man there at the desk said most of the hunters don't bring out the meat, that it is just to hard of a pack. WHAT???? I'm like why would you not allow horses in? he said you have to get a special permit even to walk off the trail. This is all done through our Government since we took money to watch how the blast in 1980 is effecting the land. What a bunch of BS. So we allow 41% of the animals to die but won't let anyone hunt. I am really confused on this one. made me mad, I know its not his problem but it is all of ours.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 26, 2013, 12:14:47 PM
Post by: CP on August 26, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
Call the biologist for the area; they will have the winter kill info.
I hunted the Pumice Plains area a couple of years ago and I packed out my kill. So did everyone else that I know who has hunted the area.
Post by: headshot5 on August 26, 2013, 12:27:53 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 27, 2013, 05:57:57 AM
Post by: dewandgin on August 27, 2013, 06:02:47 AM
It was the third largest total since they started the count
Post by: elkhuntingcouple on August 27, 2013, 10:41:36 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 27, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
I was part of the mortality study group that counted the winter kill on the mudflow and we did count over 70 winter kills (i believe it was 79 but not positive) only a very small percentage were bulls. Less than 10 total most were cows and calves.
It was the third largest total since they started the count
That's encouraging for the bulls, though. They normally make up 20% of a healthy herd. We did see a lot of cow skulls up there a couple of weeks ago. :bash:
Post by: Practical Approach on August 27, 2013, 11:01:03 AM
I was part of the mortality study group that counted the winter kill on the mudflow and we did count over 70 winter kills (i believe it was 79 but not positive) only a very small percentage were bulls. Less than 10 total most were cows and calves.I assume that the mortality study group only counted mortalities on the WDFW owned acerage on the bottom? So, roughly 2700 acres of which not all is surveyed. Lets say 2000 of it is surveyed so that means there were approximately 1 dead elk per 25 acres? >:(
It was the third largest total since they started the count
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 27, 2013, 12:22:35 PM
Post by: Alchase on August 27, 2013, 12:35:01 PM
Why are th mudflow elk not capable of moving out of the valley to find food?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on August 27, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 27, 2013, 12:55:31 PM
Post by: Alchase on August 27, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 27, 2013, 01:30:54 PM
Every time I go there, the elk are all over the place from the valley floor to the top of the mountain north of the observatory. I just can't figure out why they do not migrate to the food. Or have we created a situation where they have become dependent on the winter feed that was or is supplied?
I don't think food is supplied, but not sure. I think they've become dependent on the grasses. The noxious and invasive weeds are a fairly recent phenomenon, within the last 15 years or so. It may just be a migration habit that's being passed down. :dunno:
Post by: snowpack on August 27, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
Every time I go there, the elk are all over the place from the valley floor to the top of the mountain north of the observatory. I just can't figure out why they do not migrate to the food. Or have we created a situation where they have become dependent on the winter feed that was or is supplied?Elk tend to be weird in that they seem to be so habitual about an area even though an adjacent area is uninhabited. The cows seem to focus on the same trails and areas for their entire life, bulls will roam over the ridge and into the next drainage; but the cows are very reluctant. Some of the areas I go will have a herd on one side, but they just won't spread out to the next and the next door area has really great elk habitat. Think that is part of the reason why they have problems with relocating elk, when they get to their new home they are so confused and can't seem to adapt.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 27, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
Every time I go there, the elk are all over the place from the valley floor to the top of the mountain north of the observatory. I just can't figure out why they do not migrate to the food. Or have we created a situation where they have become dependent on the winter feed that was or is supplied?
I don't think food is supplied, but not sure. I think they've become dependent on the grasses. The noxious and invasive weeds are a fairly recent phenomenon, within the last 15 years or so. It may just be a migration habit that's being passed down. :dunno:
They used to provide winter feed assistance in years past. But don't know if it still happens on any kind of regular basis or at all.
Post by: headshot5 on August 27, 2013, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: Practical Approach on August 27, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
Can some one explain something to me please, all around this state elk heards move to where the food is at a given time of year. All the areas surrounding the Mud flow see the same snow leveles, same food sources and as far as I can see the elk in those ares are not starving.
Why are th mudflow elk not capable of moving out of the valley to find food?
Due to the monoculture of timber that was all planted about the same time, there currently is little food. Clearcuts are few and far between, the trees that were replaced after the blast are just now becoming harvest age. Hopefully forage will get better with future cutting. However, there are still problems with too many elk on a winter area that are eating every bit of palatable forage including noxious forage. Not to mention timber companies are spraying clearcuts with herbacides at the most crucial time for forb and grass production for elk and deer. They cant go to the adjacent areas that they just came from because any summer forage that was up in the hills has already been eaten or is dead and old from being cooked all summer.
Elk in most of western Washington do not have huge migration patterns if any. Many just have small elevational shifts due to snow levels.
Post by: b0bbyg on August 28, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
We hiked the loowit trail over the weekend and Sunday saw a nice herd 50-70 on the Northwest side of the mountain. It was a pretty good mix of old, young cows and bulls. The only thing I did not see was bigger bulls in the herd. lots of spikes and a few raghorns.
One was limping pretty good but the rest seemed OK. Lots of tracks through the blast zone which was odd as there is little food in there. Not sure if they are passing through or hitting the streams that were still flowing. The whole west side was tracked up pretty good north of the south tootle.
Elk are where you find them I guess. I sure can't explain some of the places I have seen them.
Post by: bowhunterty on August 28, 2013, 11:35:47 AM