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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 07:30:02 AM

Title: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 07:30:02 AM: i am looking to trade my heavy wood stock 300 winmag for a 270 with a composite stock just to lighten things up. what is the difference in accuracy and distance on these two calibers?
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: JLS on August 31, 2013, 07:35:04 AM: No difference in accuracy, the .270 will give you plenty of effective hunting range for just about any hunting situation unless you're into the really long range stuff. Even then, it'll still kill stuff. The .270 obviously won't have as flat a bullet trajectory as the .300 winnie, but for real world application I doubt you or the animal will notice the difference.

I think the .270 with good quality bullets is a do-it-all caliber.
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on August 31, 2013, 08:01:02 AM: If you reload, look at the new 150gr nosler accubonds and you'd be very close in trajectory. A 270 will be fine on all WA big game out to 500 yds, or at least I'd feel comfortable at that range.
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Post by: jyerxa on August 31, 2013, 08:08:11 AM: This is kind of a fun ballistics calculator to play around with.

http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistics-calculator/Pages/ballistics-calculator.aspx (http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistics-calculator/Pages/ballistics-calculator.aspx)
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Post by: MADMAX on August 31, 2013, 08:11:38 AM: I have a model 7400 Rem in .270 and its a nice accurate rifle
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 10:32:37 AM: what would the max effective distance of a 270 & 30-06 be?
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: CplRaines on August 31, 2013, 10:57:51 AM: The conundrum of your predicament isn't whether the bullet of a specific caliber will travel a certain distance and be accurate. What you should be thinking in terms of is how much energy the specific bullet will deliver on it's target at specific ranges you plan on employing it.

Just because a bullet will travel accurately to it's target doesn't necessarily equate to an effective outcome.

I'm just sayin. ;)
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 31, 2013, 10:59:56 AM: I am a fan of the 270 Win., and it meets or exceeds all my practical requirements for the type of hunting I do (Mostly heavy brush and some clear cuts).

To answer your question from the .270 Win side, the Federal 150 Partition is used.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/593581/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-270-winchester-150-grain-nosler-partition-box-of-20 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/593581/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-270-winchester-150-grain-nosler-partition-box-of-20)

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f86/what-minimum-amount-ft-lbs-needed-43753/ (http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f86/what-minimum-amount-ft-lbs-needed-43753/)

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There is a system that is called the -Taylor Knock Out Values.

And it uses the estimated energy for one shot kills on game.

It uses a recommended energy and a minimum energy for each animal.

On Elk it recommends 2000 ft/lbs and 1500ft/lbs as a minimum. this is at the Point of Impact.

Deer are 1200 ft/lbs and 1000 ft/lbs minimum.

From the quick and dirty table below, that equates to about 400 yards on elk sized game and about 600 yards on deer sized game. You'll have to be the judge on whether those ranges are ethical for you, but it works fine for me out to 300-400 yards without considering things like windage and elevation for a 200 yard zero.

You can used the link below for the comparison with the 300 Win.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi (http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi)

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1089.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi353%2Ffl0und3rz%2Ftemp%2FFedP270E_zps7033b79d.jpg&hash=33b64dab6e55976027089fc90136a43b986c88ec)
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Post by: Dhoey07 on August 31, 2013, 11:13:58 AM: I own and shoot both. I would not shoot at an animal with my .270 over 300 yards with my optics. Too much drop. I wouldn't have an issue with my .300 win mag until 400. The pro's for the .270 would be cheaper ammo so you can practice more and its more pleasurable to shoot, less recoil. .300 will get you extra distance but over 400 you will need a scope that you can dial in for yardage for either :twocents:
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Post by: jeffro on August 31, 2013, 11:17:36 AM: Ever thought about just putting a new stock on your current gun?
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 11:21:45 AM: yes but like someone mentioned, its not "pleasurable" to shoot a lot, that 300 kicks pretty damn good and i notice with a gun that has less recoil i shoot more accurate
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: bucklucky on August 31, 2013, 12:23:19 PM: I don't feal much of a difference in recoil between my 270 and 300 win mag. If you are hunting elk stay with the 300 but that's just my opinion.
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Post by: jyerxa on August 31, 2013, 01:26:09 PM: Quote from: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
yes but like someone mentioned, its not "pleasurable" to shoot a lot, that 300 kicks pretty damn good and i notice with a gun that has less recoil i shoot more accurate

Better to have a good aim than a big gun. :twocents:
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Post by: snowpack on August 31, 2013, 01:32:26 PM: You can get lighter bullets for the .300 to make it more manageable. 150 from a .300 Win is pretty light and still a bit more punch than the .270 win.
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: jdb on August 31, 2013, 01:59:53 PM: Quote from: CplRaines on August 31, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
The conundrum of your predicament isn't whether the bullet of a specific caliber will travel a certain distance and be accurate. What you should be thinking in terms of is how much energy the specific bullet will deliver on it's target at specific ranges you plan on employing it.

Just because a bullet will travel accurately to it's target doesn't necessarily equate to an effective outcome.

I'm just sayin. ;)energy has very little to do with terminal performance of a bullet
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 31, 2013, 07:00:59 PM: Quote from: Kc_Kracker on August 31, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
yes but like someone mentioned, its not "pleasurable" to shoot a lot, that 300 kicks pretty damn good and i notice with a gun that has less recoil i shoot more accurate

I would install one of these http://www.laruetactical.com/surefire-762-mb762-211c-muzzle-brakeadapter (http://www.laruetactical.com/surefire-762-mb762-211c-muzzle-brakeadapter)

A lightweight .270 can be less than pleasurable to shoot as well.
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: kbrowne14 on August 31, 2013, 10:11:15 PM: Why don't you just Split the difference and go with a 30-06. Great Round, tons of potential. My father in law shoots 200 grain accubonds out of his 300 win mag at 2800 fps. I shoot 180 grain accubonds at 2800 fps out of my 30-06. My rounds take far less powder, the gun kicks less, cheaper to shoot, and will kill anything in north america. Do you think any deer, elk, or bear is ever going to know the difference between 20 grains? The difference in ballistics out to 400 yards is not a whole lot. You're talking inches.

I vote for the 30-06.
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on September 01, 2013, 11:47:57 AM: If you trying to reduce kick, yet maintain longrange energy, definitely reload bullets with a high ballistic coefficient. That 150 grain accubonds, or so heavy bergers, and you won't notice much diff out to 500 yds. I too think a 3006 is a better choice, in case you really want more choices. A T3 tikka is about 6.3 lbs, fairly cheap, and accurate. Some things I don't like about it, but haven't had any probs with mine.
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Post by: Rooster1981 on September 01, 2013, 06:04:29 PM: Well isn't this the reason for the WSM? To maintain a magnum velocity with less recoil . If you want less recoil and longer range look into the 300 wsm :dunno: That's the only caliber I would replace my 30-06 with.
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Post by: jason stevens on September 01, 2013, 06:46:15 PM: With the different charts and graphs they tell what the gun will do but I think as for distance and accuracy it really depends on the shooter.who cares what the gun will do if you can't shoot accurate out to the range you want either one will do the job.both are great calibers
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Post by: norsepeak on September 01, 2013, 07:11:12 PM: I have 4 270's and love them. Will do anything you want to do in N.A. I'd go Tikka T3 lite. I have one in 7mm and it's a tac driver, great gun. Put a good scope on it and don't look back.
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Taco280AI on September 01, 2013, 07:13:37 PM: Effective range will depend on the load/bullet combo, is no one answer. You will give up range with a 270 compared to the 300win, on elk. For deer, wont matter. The 270 should be a lot easier on the shoulder, unless going for some ultra lightweight.

Thought about a 7RM, 7WSM?
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Post by: WoodlandShooter on September 04, 2013, 03:28:25 PM: The new Nosler ABLR has the potential to re-invigorate the old 270 win!!! We finally have some decent bullets!!!!

I have them loaded up to 3000 FPS (27" tube, 1/9 twist). Also shooting the 165 grain Matrix at 2850FPS.

Drop at 1k is 19 feet with the NABLR, and 22 feet with the matrix...

got 1500 foot pounds at ~600 yards and 1000 foot pounds at 900 yards. I do not recommend taking game at those ranges without significant practice, but that is not the purpose of this particular rifle...
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: huntingcl on September 04, 2013, 03:42:21 PM: The conundrum of your predicament isn't whether the bullet of a specific caliber will travel a certain distance and be accurate. What you should be thinking in terms of is how much energy the specific bullet will deliver on it's target at specific ranges you plan on employing it.

Just because a bullet will travel accurately to it's target doesn't necessarily equate to an effective outcome.

I'm just sayin. ;)

More important, how far can YOU accurately shoot. Either caliber will cleanly kill an animal at ranges far beyond what most (not all) people/rifles are capable of.
Title: Re: distance and accuracy for 270 win vs 300 win?
Post by: Shooter on September 04, 2013, 04:19:58 PM: Quote from: jeffro on August 31, 2013, 11:17:36 AM
Ever thought about just putting a new stock on your current gun?

Exactly, put a new stock on the 300 and buy a 270 to boot!
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Post by: Bofire on September 04, 2013, 05:42:35 PM: :) You are a hunter, you know about guns: a 300 wm shoots a 180 grain pill like a 270 shoots a 130. trajectory wise. a 180 penetrates better and breaks bone better and kicks harder!! It also kills better.
shoot either one, if the recoil bothers you get the 270, a good shot placement with the 270 will out perform a bad shot with a 300!!! I use both and love both.
Carl
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Post by: haulinbass on September 04, 2013, 05:48:56 PM: 270wsm 150grain bergers and you are set.