Post by: herdbull33 on September 05, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Post by: seth30 on September 05, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
Post by: longrangekiller on September 05, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 05, 2013, 05:11:51 PM
Post by: Holg3107 on September 05, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
Post by: OutdoorFreak97 on September 05, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
Maybe someone has a dog you can use to help??
Post by: BenC567 on September 05, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
Post by: Smossy on September 05, 2013, 05:42:41 PM
Post by: Stick em on September 05, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
Where are you? If you're close I can help.:yeah:
Post by: TheHunt on September 05, 2013, 05:54:49 PM
Hunt wa search party, UNITE
Exactly
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 05:57:14 PM
Post by: npaull on September 05, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
#2) it happens
#3) keep trying, get help if you can
#4) learn from this - don't shoot at moving animals with a bow!
Post by: elk247 on September 05, 2013, 05:59:16 PM
Post by: Fishstiq on September 05, 2013, 06:03:38 PM
Add me to the list of available searchers, depending on location.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
Im sorry to hear this. With the rain coming it is so important to get help right away. Those of us that have been there before know the feeling. Dont be to shy to ask for help. And please don't kick this poor guy while he's down.i wasn't trying to kick him, I've been in his shoes before, as have most experienced bow hunters. I just see guys that want to help and I wish they could. :tup:
Post by: jason stevens on September 05, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: elk247 on September 05, 2013, 06:17:04 PM
That was not directed at you by any means. It was meant for the armchair qb's. We have all seen threads get crazy. It's good to see guys trying to help, add me to that list.Im sorry to hear this. With the rain coming it is so important to get help right away. Those of us that have been there before know the feeling. Dont be to shy to ask for help. And please don't kick this poor guy while he's down.i wasn't trying to kick him, I've been in his shoes before, as have most experienced bow hunters. I just see guys that want to help and I wish they could. :tup:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 06:21:12 PM
Post by: herdbull33 on September 05, 2013, 06:36:05 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 06:45:21 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
Post by: mrmoskillz on September 05, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 05, 2013, 07:03:49 PM
I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!:yike: THIS HAPPENS ALOT WITH RIFLE HUNTERS TOO :dunno: :o That statement always gets to me when I hear people saying that bowhunters wound all the animals ...The Idea of bowhunting is having the ability to get close to animals ...if you can not get close then stick with a rifle ... :twocents: Just saying !!!! It does happen and like some of you guys said ...just move on ..maybe he will live and if not he will get eaten by something :yeah:
Post by: mrmoskillz on September 05, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
Thanks so much for the offers of help. Much appreciated. Update: I went back out with two buddies and we gridded the whole hill side. It was so thick and the fact we lost the blood trail pretty much meant his and mine demise. Last night At camp I heard the coyotes yipping and celebrating pretty much telling me they found him. Two days and high 80's for temps isnt a good combo. Trust me I've learned my lesson and will never assume an elk is gonna stop on a cow call. Again thanks for the offer to help. I'm done for the season.
Sorry to hear this. I posted my offer to help after you posted this I apologize. You can still legally hunt but it's an ethics thing, only you know what feels right.
Post by: Hunterman on September 05, 2013, 07:20:53 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: mrmoskillz on September 05, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
c'mon, I never said only bow hunters loose animals, the subject wasn't that broad. I was just trying to remind him that this happens all the time and to not take it too hard. I love all types of hunting, mostly bow for elk, but in my 20 years of hunting bow rifle and muzzy, most injured animals have come by way of the bow. It not meant to put anyone down, it's just my experience.I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!:yike: THIS HAPPENS ALOT WITH RIFLE HUNTERS TOO :dunno: :o That statement always gets to me when I hear people saying that bowhunters wound all the animals ...The Idea of bowhunting is having the ability to get close to animals ...if you can not get close then stick with a rifle ... :twocents: Just saying !!!! It does happen and like some of you guys said ...just move on ..maybe he will live and if not he will get eaten by something :yeah:
Post by: dreamingbig on September 05, 2013, 08:16:34 PM
1. Don't shoot at moving elk
2. Don't post about it on this forum. It is ammunition for others to use against hunters.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2013, 08:25:58 PM
Post by: seth30 on September 05, 2013, 08:26:56 PM
So far I haven't seen anyone bash him, and hope it doesn't happen. I think it's good to talk about not just the good but also the bad experiences. If guys hear about things that go wrong on occasion then maby they can learn from it, just my 2 cents.Well put :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 05, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: troyspinetar on September 05, 2013, 08:32:54 PM
I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!Well said! Seems like lots of fellow hunters have your support!
Post by: arrowflinger on September 05, 2013, 09:57:10 PM
I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!I agree with the moving on part, but isn't there something ethical about not hunting since he has harvested an elk? He may not have retrieved it.
Post by: Mike450r on September 05, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!I agree with the moving on part, but isn't there something ethical about not hunting since he has harvested an elk? He may not have retrieved it.
Your ethics and likely other's as well, but not everybody's, not mine.
Post by: CedarPants on September 05, 2013, 11:32:35 PM
Whether you decide you're tagged out for the season is your decision, and you should do what your conscience tells you. You've had a bad experience. Anyone who has hunted long enough can tell you a similar story or is a liar. Learn from it, and keep it in perspective.
:yeah:
Solid words of wisdom Bob, I couldn't have put it any better
Post by: RadSav on September 06, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
It's a good thing you feel bad and upset. That means you still have a respect for the animals you are pursuing. If you weren't upset then I would be worried. We are predators and like all predators we succeed some times and other times we fail. But unlike all other predators the human predator holds our prey in high regard, give it respect, and often times worry about the manner in which we harvest our sweet protein. Yet when you look at the ravages of death among wild predators our worst is far more humane than most other big game predators very best.
Elk and deer are tough bass turds as well as resilient. My biggest blacktail buck was taken with a bow just a few short days after general rifle season ended. He was bird dogging five does for a half mile while I watched. I never saw a limp, a stumble or any sign of weakness at all in him. When I finally caught up to them he rode a doe right into my shooting lane! As he dismounted I sent a Zwickey Delta tipped 2219 right thru the monster's boiler room. Upon inspection of my wonderful harvest I noticed a large bullet wound through the top of both shoulder blades. Man, you would never have known watching him!
After butchering we found that wound was not the first he had recovered from. I found a jacketed .44 slug in his shoulder and a .357 slug (not legal at that time) in his hip. Obviously from years before. Multiple hunters failed, multiple hunters probably felt horrible as you do. And yet this old monarch was still king of the mountain and Shag Daddy to the local doe population right up to his final moments.
Learn from your mistake. And the ones you most obviously will encounter in the future regardless of weapon choice. And remember...you are still the most humane predator in the woods. Then when you do succeed process the sweet nectar of that harvest with due respect and honor. And give thanks to the Lord for it. For that is what separates us from the savages of the wild.
Post by: Ripper on September 06, 2013, 06:30:55 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 06, 2013, 07:10:03 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 06, 2013, 07:16:49 AM
:yeah:I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!:yike: THIS HAPPENS ALOT WITH RIFLE HUNTERS TOO :dunno: :o That statement always gets to me when I hear people saying that bowhunters wound all the animals ...The Idea of bowhunting is having the ability to get close to animals ...if you can not get close then stick with a rifle ... :twocents: Just saying !!!! It does happen and like some of you guys said ...just move on ..maybe he will live and if not he will get eaten by something :yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2013, 08:31:30 AM
Go to a seasoned butcher and ask to see what they have found cutting up elk and deer. There is usually a pile of bullets, round balls and broadheads stashed away somewhere. I expect nearly every one of those hunters felt like they had left a dead animal up on the mountain and were ready to quit. Some probably even did!perfect! Absolutely 100% the best response possible, I would take this to heart and go hunting!
It's a good thing you feel bad and upset. That means you still have a respect for the animals you are pursuing. If you weren't upset then I would be worried. We are predators and like all predators we succeed some times and other times we fail. But unlike all other predators the human predator holds our prey in high regard, give it respect, and often times worry about the manner in which we harvest our sweet protein. Yet when you look at the ravages of death among wild predators our worst is far more humane than most other big game predators very best.
Elk and deer are tough bass turds as well as resilient. My biggest blacktail buck was taken with a bow just a few short days after general rifle season ended. He was bird dogging five does for a half mile while I watched. I never saw a limp, a stumble or any sign of weakness at all in him. When I finally caught up to them he rode a doe right into my shooting lane! As he dismounted I sent a Zwickey Delta tipped 2219 right thru the monster's boiler room. Upon inspection of my wonderful harvest I noticed a large bullet wound through the top of both shoulder blades. Man, you would never have known watching him!
After butchering we found that wound was not the first he had recovered from. I found a jacketed .44 slug in his shoulder and a .357 slug (not legal at that time) in his hip. Obviously from years before. Multiple hunters failed, multiple hunters probably felt horrible as you do. And yet this old monarch was still king of the mountain and Shag Daddy to the local doe population right up to his final moments.
Learn from your mistake. And the ones you most obviously will encounter in the future regardless of weapon choice. And remember...you are still the most humane predator in the woods. Then when you do succeed process the sweet nectar of that harvest with due respect and honor. And give thanks to the Lord for it. For that is what separates us from the savages of the wild.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 06, 2013, 08:34:31 AM
Nicely put Radsav, I couldn't say it any better. I always say that if I ever loose the feeling of remorse/ respect for the animals I kill, that's when I need to quit hunting.:yeah: I have also felt the same way, if I ever don't feel bad about the kill or loose respect for the animal, the weapon will be a camera. This has been a good positive thread! :tup:
Post by: smartazz171 on September 06, 2013, 08:47:51 AM
I don't think you should be done for the season, I think what your going through happens a lot w bow hunters. You have to do everything you can to find wounded animals, and if you do without success, you move on. You should keep your head up, move on and go redeem yourself!:yeah: I agree unless it has you down. Don't worry about the mistake. Learn and move on buy a moral hunter takes it hard, which it seems you have.
Post by: lghtnquik on September 06, 2013, 09:03:08 AM
Post by: herdbull33 on September 06, 2013, 10:29:19 AM
Post by: Becky on September 06, 2013, 10:42:12 AM
Go to a seasoned butcher and ask to see what they have found cutting up elk and deer. There is usually a pile of bullets, round balls and broadheads stashed away somewhere. I expect nearly every one of those hunters felt like they had left a dead animal up on the mountain and were ready to quit. Some probably even did!
It's a good thing you feel bad and upset. That means you still have a respect for the animals you are pursuing. If you weren't upset then I would be worried. We are predators and like all predators we succeed some times and other times we fail. But unlike all other predators the human predator holds our prey in high regard, give it respect, and often times worry about the manner in which we harvest our sweet protein. Yet when you look at the ravages of death among wild predators our worst is far more humane than most other big game predators very best.
Elk and deer are tough bass turds as well as resilient. My biggest blacktail buck was taken with a bow just a few short days after general rifle season ended. He was bird dogging five does for a half mile while I watched. I never saw a limp, a stumble or any sign of weakness at all in him. When I finally caught up to them he rode a doe right into my shooting lane! As he dismounted I sent a Zwickey Delta tipped 2219 right thru the monster's boiler room. Upon inspection of my wonderful harvest I noticed a large bullet wound through the top of both shoulder blades. Man, you would never have known watching him!
After butchering we found that wound was not the first he had recovered from. I found a jacketed .44 slug in his shoulder and a .357 slug (not legal at that time) in his hip. Obviously from years before. Multiple hunters failed, multiple hunters probably felt horrible as you do. And yet this old monarch was still king of the mountain and Shag Daddy to the local doe population right up to his final moments.
Learn from your mistake. And the ones you most obviously will encounter in the future regardless of weapon choice. And remember...you are still the most humane predator in the woods. Then when you do succeed process the sweet nectar of that harvest with due respect and honor. And give thanks to the Lord for it. For that is what separates us from the savages of the wild.
You're awesome RadSav, I love reading your posts. Been following this thread, and your response is top notch. I wish more people would know the emotional side of hunting, the animal respect and admiration.. that it's not how all the anti's picture it with blood guts celebration and savagery.
Post by: EDT on September 06, 2013, 12:10:01 PM
Post by: luke_a on September 06, 2013, 03:12:55 PM
Two recommendations:
1. Don't shoot at moving elk
2. Don't post about it on this forum. It is ammunition for others to use against hunters.
I respectfully disagree with #2. I've seen quite a few threads on this forum just like this, where people came together to search and the animal was successfully harvested. I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but that's just my opinion.
Post by: dreamingbig on September 06, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Post by: OutdoorFreak97 on September 06, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
But if someone manages to find a deer/elk/sheep/goat/anything else because of a forum that's awesome and should be posted about! (IMHO)
It show's that all hunters are not camouflaged hillbillies that are only in it for themselves!
Maybe next time this kinda of thing arises, the person who lost a game animal will send a PM to some people and ask them to pass around the need for help.
Just an idea!
Post by: Blacktail135 on September 07, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on September 07, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
Post by: TheFewTheProud on September 07, 2013, 08:35:15 AM