Post by: welnet on October 26, 2008, 09:54:45 AM
1. Is the Springfield Armory M1A a “valid” hunting rifle, or do experienced hunters consider this an “urban commando” weapon?
2. Is the 308 Winchester cartridge too much for deer? Not enough for Elk?
3. In the very off chance a grizzly decides I’d make a good snack, will a 308 Winchester bring it down, or piss it off? I understand shot placement, but I also understand shooting under duress at something you aren’t hunting that pops up out of nowhere.
Thanks,
Bill
Post by: Curly on October 26, 2008, 10:06:06 AM
#2 - .308 is perfect for deer. Good for elk.
#3 - No grizzlies in Wa so no need to worry about it.
Post by: demontang on October 26, 2008, 10:11:44 AM
If you dont mind caring the weight of a m1a they make a good hunting rifle :twocents:
#2
The 308 will cut it for most of the stuff around here.
#3
If you do get jumped I'm sure one of the rounds you could get into it with a semi-auto would do it. I have hear of a guy that got charged by a black bear and killed it dead with a 40gr vmax out of a .223 AR :dunno:
Post by: washingtonmuley on October 26, 2008, 10:23:18 AM
Double check #3
Post by: Curly on October 26, 2008, 10:33:02 AM
Curly,
Double check #3
Yeah, I guess there are a few..........I just wouldn't worry about choosing a rifle cartridge for WA in case a Grizzly charges.
Post by: norsepeak on October 26, 2008, 10:45:06 AM
Post by: Ghost1941 on October 26, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
2. Is the 308 Winchester cartridge too much for deer? Not enough for Elk?
3. In the very off chance a grizzly decides I’d make a good snack, will a 308 Winchester bring it down, or piss it off? I understand shot placement, but I also understand shooting under duress at something you aren’t hunting that pops up out of nowhere."
I see why you're partial to the M1A as using an M14 on the ship made you accustomed to it. But for the BASE price alone of a Springfield 14 you could build a hell of a bolt action rifle in the same caliber or something heavier. IMO the .308 is a good all around caliber but there's better out there, it's all based on the shooter.
It also depends on where you're hunting, personally I'm partial to something a little larger if I were to buy a new rifle for deer/bear/elk hunting purposes. I'd consider a .300 WM or 7mm Rem Mag in a Remington 700 or a Ruger M77.
The Ruger is a nicer out of the box rifle in my opinion but not nearly as much availability for customization. The action is based off the Mauser, although the safety has changed locations. It's easier to remove the bolt, and disassemble it for cleaning purposes than a 700 is... but how often does a hunter clean his bolt? (Watch me catch flak from half of you "Oh oh I clean mine after every hunt" I'd have to call bs. Lol)
The 700 on the other hand is a good rifle out of the box but so many accessories are available and fairly cheap. If you were considering the M1A due to magazine capacity, there is a cheap after market kit for the 700 that will give you a 10 round in .30-06 or lighter and 8 rounds in .300 WM. Decent synthetic stocks from Hogue for under the 100 dollar mark, and then you can go into higher grade stocks with aluminum bedding and all the good stuff. But you're hunting... who the hell wants to spend 300 dollars on a stock for a hunting rifle?
If you were considering it due to the semi auto, well then a bolt isn't your choice. Although I've seen guys with a bolt action shoot damn near as fast and 9/10 still more accurate than the auto.
EDIT** Agree with the guy above me as well, Like I said... Look for a cheaper 700. No reason to drop 1400 dollars or more on a rifle that won't perform any better than a cheap out of the box bolt at 400-600 dollars.
Post by: Huntbear on October 26, 2008, 11:27:54 AM
I would go with something lighter though, than a Springfield. After carrying a rifle up and down some of these mtns. You will wish for a 6 lb. rifle not a 9 lb. rifle.
Post by: 300rum on October 26, 2008, 02:31:30 PM
Post by: ABMGENERAL on October 27, 2008, 07:11:44 AM
It has been recamended to me to use a 5Rd flush Mag in the field, however they are a PAIN IN A$$ to get out since they are flush. you can also put a block in a 10rd which will make it possible to easily remove and install. however with that mag you will want to use a safari or tactical sling obviously.
9lbs is alot of rifle though!!
Man i love those things!!
Post by: Intruder on October 27, 2008, 07:51:29 AM
A .308 will kill anything you want to in Washington State. I would not worry about Grizzly unless you are going to Idaho, Montana, or Wyoming. Then it is just something to keep in mind, not worry about.
I would go with something lighter though, than a Springfield. After carrying a rifle up and down some of these mtns. You will wish for a 6 lb. rifle not a 9 lb. rifle.
+1
.308 is more than adequate to hunt anything in WA. The only thing you'd really gain by going w/ a bigger cased cartridge is a better long range ability. Out to 300 yards the .308 is fine and that covers about 95+% of the shot taken. Don't worry about grizzlies. On the 1 in a zillion chance that a griz decides to attack you, the .308 will manage him as well as anything else.
Post by: jdb on October 27, 2008, 06:28:34 PM
Go to a pawn shop and find a decent rifle in the 270-300 class, and spend some money on a good quality scope and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE with it at varing distances and you should be good to go. That way you haven't spent a ton of money. (yet) Then if you really like hunting you can think about higher quality and multiple rifles. Because it's a well known fact that when you leave two rifles alone in a dark place (like a gun safe) they will breed! And before you know it you'll have a safe full of rifles for this and that and anything in between.well put andd with the econmoy what it is there are some good deals to be had on used guns. JB
Post by: Wacenturion on October 27, 2008, 06:43:01 PM
Post by: rasbo on October 27, 2008, 06:55:54 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on October 27, 2008, 06:58:44 PM
#3 - No grizzlies in Wa so no need to worry about it.
A decent number of grizzlies in north eastern Wa. Confirmed sighting 20 miles north of Spokane a few years back... At my cousins house...stairing in the window. They got it on video. I've seen their tracks up around Sullivan lake too.
Post by: billythekidrock on October 27, 2008, 08:13:08 PM
I use a 308 carbine on all the bears I shot
.270 on all my black bears
Post by: Ghost1941 on October 27, 2008, 10:51:14 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 27, 2008, 11:00:13 PM