Post by: Solohunter84 on September 08, 2013, 08:24:22 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 08, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Post by: Solohunter84 on September 08, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Post by: mountainman on September 08, 2013, 09:13:31 PM
Post by: Solohunter84 on September 08, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
Post by: Special T on September 08, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
Post by: CP on September 09, 2013, 09:07:09 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 09, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
Personally, I won’t buy a firearm from a private party if they require a BOS. I don’t mind showing (not giving a copy of) my DL and CPL but the seller doesn’t need my personal information and I don’t want it floating about in someone’s “person records”.
Exactly.
I think keeping records would make the seller look like a dealer. Every firearm I've sold I ask to see a Wa Id. and ask if it is legal for them to own a firearm. I won't ask to see a CPL as a CPL isn't a requirement to own a firearm.
Also, I think the seller needs to make his/her requirements clear before a buyer spends too much time driving, leaving work early etc.
Post by: dmv9 on September 09, 2013, 09:45:09 AM
Personally, I won’t buy a firearm from a private party if they require a BOS. I don’t mind showing (not giving a copy of) my DL and CPL but the seller doesn’t need my personal information and I don’t want it floating about in someone’s “person records”.
Exactly.
I think keeping records would make the seller look like a dealer. Every firearm I've sold I ask to see a Wa Id. and ask if it is legal for them to own a firearm. I won't ask to see a CPL as a CPL isn't a requirement to own a firearm.
Also, I think the seller needs to make his/her requirements clear before a buyer spends too much time driving, leaving work early etc.
:yeah:
Post by: LEN on September 09, 2013, 10:34:29 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 09, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
It mostly protects YOU to have a bill of sale. As a purchaser i Prefer to have one so that they cannot claim its stolen... As a seller if they had a CCP I would not think twice about selling without a bill of sale.
This. I won't sell without a CCP or some other good guy credential. The risk is that you could be selling to a prohibited person, even if you are doing so unknowingly.
Let see the other side. Where were you on the 23rd when this weapon was used to kill the pres. and is registered to you. Oh I sold it to some kluts that just killed the pres. but I don't know who he was. Not happening man!!! I have some record on every gun I sell or trade. If I have to give ID for a weapon so do you or NO DEAL! JMO
Don't buy registered weapons. Problem solved. Or carry a cell phone. IMO, this risk is miniscule, whereas your evidence can be used against you.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 09, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
It mostly protects YOU to have a bill of sale. As a purchaser i Prefer to have one so that they cannot claim its stolen... As a seller if they had a CCP I would not think twice about selling without a bill of sale.
This. I won't sell without a CCP or some other good guy credential. The risk is that you could be selling to a prohibited person, even if you are doing so unknowingly.
But a CCP does not ensure that they are not a prohibited individual. They could have gotten a felony or a DV subsequent to the CCP.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 09, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
Even that has proven to not be 100% reliable, but it takes it off you and puts it on the buyer/dealer.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 09, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Checking for a CCP does not stop ineligible individuals, but does stop eligible people
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 09, 2013, 11:17:05 AM
It mostly protects YOU to have a bill of sale. As a purchaser i Prefer to have one so that they cannot claim its stolen... As a seller if they had a CCP I would not think twice about selling without a bill of sale.
This. I won't sell without a CCP or some other good guy credential. The risk is that you could be selling to a prohibited person, even if you are doing so unknowingly.
But a CCP does not ensure that they are not a prohibited individual. They could have gotten a felony or a DV subsequent to the CCP.
Yes, I know. But it virtually ensures that they are not a resident alien without a firearms ID, an illegal alien with a valid WA driver's license, a convicted felon lying to me about his status, or any number of other categories of people that have reason to lie about their status. Having a CCP indicates, to me, that they have some skin in the game - something to lose. Nothing ensures that they are not going to go out and mow down a bunch of people with a firearm I traded either. It goes to what is the level of reasonableness of investigation/precautions in ensuring that I am not guilty of the crime of selling to a prohibited person. While admitting that I may be more risk adverse in this area, I am comfortable with that level of risk (subsequent DV or felony).
I we were able to access NICS for private transactions without all the FFL record keeping involved, I would do that.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 09, 2013, 11:18:08 AM
:yeah:
Checking for a CCP does not stop ineligible individuals, but does stop eligible people
Know how to fix that, right? Get a CCP.
Post by: CP on September 09, 2013, 11:19:41 AM
:yeah:
Checking for a CCP does not stop ineligible individuals, but does stop eligible people
Know how to fix that, right? Get a CCP.
It's a CPL in this state.