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Big Game Hunting => Bear Hunting => Topic started by: Mr.T on September 09, 2013, 12:03:01 PM

Title: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Mr.T on September 09, 2013, 12:03:01 PM: In my other thread I shared that this last weekend was my first time actually bear hunting as opposed to hunting coyote or deer while holding a bear tag. In my driving around I noticed a large number of vehicles at trail heads in areas I would like to scout.

Have you run into problems with hikers?
Any wisdom in protocol for sharing the trails with non hunters?

So far, I haven't had to deal with this. Thanks for the help :tup:
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on September 09, 2013, 12:35:51 PM: I try to be extra polite. Every negative interaction confirms a lot of pre dispositions they have towards Hunters. If they are still rude, I just move along. If they try and interfere with your hunt, that's against the law.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Doc Sauce on September 09, 2013, 12:53:34 PM: I make sure and use a set of binoculars to glass an area when I know there are hikers around. The last thing I want is for a hiker to complain that a hunter was pointing a rifle at them.

I have come across hikers a couple times. I usuall greet them before I am near them to make sure they see me. I don't want to spook them and have them freak out since I am walking by with a rifle. I'll ask how they are doing and be cordial, but I almost never stop walking. I figure the less time we spend together, the less chance there is for me or the hiker to get bent.

I have been absolutely amazed at how many hikers and horseback riders encourage me when we pass. And the little jokes like, "Y'all out for a hike... yup, i'm bear hunting... trust me, no bears back there..." seem to go a long way.

Only had 1 person give me attitude. Woman walking a yap dog could not believe that I was carrying a rifle while hiking. I let her know there were bears in the area and that I was looking for me. She did not believe me, but, like I said before, I don't stop walking so the conversation was really short.

Definitely use a set of Binos to glass though. Even if there are not hikers around, it's not a good idea to glass with your rifle scope. Kind of breaks the weapons safety rules to point a muzzle at something you not fully intend to destroy.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Special T on September 09, 2013, 12:56:56 PM: I don't hunt those areas but some comments from people who have would go something like this...
Leave the lifted 4X4 at home with all the hunting decals. Dress in more earth tones as opposed to cammo. If possible put the rifle out of site, until you start hunting off the trail.
While not fair, this leads to less flat tires, more information gathered and less conflict. You Milage may vary. :twocents:
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: oldschooltrucks on September 09, 2013, 12:59:48 PM: I spent 3 days calling around to the sheriff, dnr, and game wardens to find out if 18 was closed to firearms. Never heard anything and none of them could give me an answer. I went anyways. Glad I didnt see a bear bc it was firearm restricted. Ran into a lot of hikers, all were friendly but none of them said anything to me about my rifle. Needless to say I do a little more checking into the areas I want to hunt now.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: CP on September 09, 2013, 01:11:08 PM: Just treat them like you would another hunter or anyone else. I don’t hide the fact that I’m hunting from them, most don’t seem to care and are friendly, but some have a tude. It’s your right to be there as much as it is theirs.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: snowpack on September 09, 2013, 01:19:55 PM: Most seem fine, many I run into are hunters or used to be. But then there are the haters that lump all hunters together because of things like this--http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408 (http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408). You can usually tell the friendly ones from a distance.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on September 09, 2013, 02:00:51 PM: I just read that post. Wtf is wrong with people? Wanton death is disturbing.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Hunter mike on September 09, 2013, 08:30:24 PM: Get the cold shoulder occasionally, but mostly no problems. As stated above, being friendly goes a long way. I usually have my rifle attached to my pack so it doesn't appear threatening (I practice getting it off quickly, and it only takes about 2 seconds to have it shouldered). I don't wear much camo either, but that's mostly for financial reasons (good "mountaineering brand" clothing is much cheaper than the high end camo and sometimes better).

I stay away from the really busy trailheads and try to find the lighter used ones.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: ghosthunter on September 09, 2013, 08:41:47 PM: I simply do ot worry about it. I am friendly but any comments I don't like and I say have a nice day.
I have firearms with me all the time if hiking always a open carry handgun . All over night trips get the Handgun and my Circuit Judge Rifle.

It is your right to carry. Doesn't have to be hunting season.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: oldschooltrucks on September 09, 2013, 08:44:22 PM: Quote from: ghosthunter on September 09, 2013, 08:41:47 PM
I simply do ot worry about it. I am friendly but any comments I don't like and I say have a nice day.
I have firearms with me all the time if hiking always a open carry handgun . All over night trips get the Handgun and my Circuit Judge Rifle.

It is your right to carry. Doesn't have to be hunting season.

:yeah:
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: 67 Halfcab on September 09, 2013, 08:44:45 PM: Buy a Subaru wagon and plaster it with Obama stickers. Trail head parking lot camo! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: justaguy on September 09, 2013, 08:52:00 PM: I say "howdy" with an extra big smile and keep walking with a extra cheery "have a great hike!" on the way out; more time hunting and less time debating the morality of something I enjoy doing. A lot of times I'll carry a bag to clean up a little garbage off the trail and that's really gotten a lot of positive comments that hunters care about keeping the area clean. Respect begets respect.

I agree, if you're seeing a lot of people, you might look for a place to hunt that's a little more off the beaten path.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: 3nails on September 09, 2013, 09:11:53 PM: Don't just blow by them with a nod and smile. Pause for a moment to let them by. If they start a polite conversation take a minute and hear what they have to say. I've had some great experiences with people this way. Dozens actually. I can remember only one bad experience. I came around a switch-back and made eye contact with a woman who started yelling from 50 yds away, "THERE'S NO HUNTING HERE!" She repeated the same phrase 5 more times before I passed her. I wanted to stop, pull the bearhide out of my pack and say something I shouldn't but I just kept going. I think she was confused with National Forrest versus National Park. :dunno:
Probably 8 out of 10 will ask what you are hunting for and when you tell them they'll say "THERE'S BEARS HERE?!?! :yike: " :chuckle: It's priceless.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Doc Sauce on September 10, 2013, 07:57:06 AM: That's a good idea to pick up a little trash on the way out. Hikers think hunters are the ones trashin up the wilderness.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: arees on September 10, 2013, 08:48:29 AM: Quote from: snowpack on September 09, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
Most seem fine, many I run into are hunters or used to be. But then there are the haters that lump all hunters together because of things like this--http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408 (http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408). You can usually tell the friendly ones from a distance.

I read that post and while I don't support decorating campsites with dead animal carcasses after you leave, the post was rather pathetic. What I read was "I am horribly traumatized by seeing this and I want those people to be savagely hurt so they an understand how morally superior and compassionate I am." If seeing a dead marmot is the most traumatic part of your life, you really need to get a life.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 10, 2013, 08:57:02 AM: Quote from: arees on September 10, 2013, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: snowpack on September 09, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
Most seem fine, many I run into are hunters or used to be. But then there are the haters that lump all hunters together because of things like this--http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408 (http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8007408). You can usually tell the friendly ones from a distance.

I read that post and while I don't support decorating campsites with dead animal carcasses after you leave, the post was rather pathetic. What I read was "I am horribly traumatized by seeing this and I want those people to be savagely hurt so they an understand how morally superior and compassionate I am." If seeing a dead marmot is the most traumatic part of your life, you really need to get a life.

Agreed. Someone needs to step back from the ledge.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on September 10, 2013, 09:05:14 AM: ^^Agreed as well... some hikers are just a whole other breed of outdoorsmen/women. Killing Marmots is dumb (and illegal I believe). However, showing the world how much or a bleeding heart you truly are, may be more depressing...

I walk hiking trails every weekend nearly, simply because Western Wa is so damn thick, it gives you a short cut up most ridges... I am always friendly and, if they ask I say flat out what I am doing. I've NEVER had someone ridicule me for it. In fact they usually say "good luck", or point out areas they've seen Bears.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 10, 2013, 09:18:07 AM: I've met dozens of hikers on the trails the past 20 years, and have never had anything worse than an unhappy face and no comments from a very few; nobody has ever stated anything negative about hunting. Most are friendly, some are surprised there is a season on, and quite a few want to chat and tell where they've seen game. Like others stated, I don't stop to chat unless it is clear they want to talk, and if it is tight then I step off the trail to let them pass. The most negative attitudes I've encountered have been from butt-hurt hunters who think I should not be in "their" area on the National Forest.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Special T on September 10, 2013, 09:19:57 AM: Silver Hoary marmots are protected. Mostly hight alpine ares in the cascades above the treeline. Yellow bellied marmots common in the basalt in E wa are open season. :twocents:
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Ripper on September 10, 2013, 09:52:17 AM: The person that wrote that is about the most pathetic excuse of a human being as I've come across in a long time! They should have gathered up the rest of the bleeding heart slobs that posted in support and did a mass jumping off of a high cliff.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: Northway on September 10, 2013, 10:10:51 AM: Hikers should be conditioned to seeing hunters seasonally.

Outside of the idealistic, overly emotional hen, if a hiker acts completely shocked to see a hunter it's more a testament to their lack of experience hiking in NF, etc.

When either a hiker or a hunter has a bad experience with the other, it's their choice on how to view the group moving forward. I grew up in a town where I saw everything from hunters who had the highest ethical standards on down to complete slobs that most of you would shake your heads at. Based on my experiences I choose to believe that most hunters hold themselves to a reasonable set of ethical standards. I think some anti-hunters choose to believe that most hunters are not ethical because it makes them feel better about their anti-hunting beliefs.
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: christopheri on September 10, 2013, 10:30:32 AM: I ran into several hikers and back packers this last week while hunting along the PCT. I met a guy from Florida who was hiking the PCT and a couple from Canada. They asked several questions about what we were hunting. The guys wanted to check out the bows and get pictures of them holding the bows.. :chuckle: It was a positive experience. :tup:. We hadn't seen any elk that morning in the Meadows so we decided to hike up to "high camp". We met several other hikers and back packers and had some close encounters with some goats :chuckle: It was all positive. The mountain was busy that day..
Title: Re: Sharing the trail with hikers?
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 10, 2013, 10:32:12 AM: When I came over Chinook Sunday there were hoards of hikers at the top.
What a surprise when 2 of them were a guy and girl completely camo'd out and carrying bows.
Boy I bet they got some looks. Lol