Post by: fishunt on September 09, 2013, 08:09:47 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 09, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 09, 2013, 08:15:46 PM
Simplest way to go, IMO.
Post by: coachcw on September 09, 2013, 09:55:21 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on September 09, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
Post by: bman940 on September 10, 2013, 09:45:54 AM
One of my favorite features is that I can shoot a 50 yard target and it will tell me where I need to impact for whatever zero I choose.
Here's a sample to check out.
Drop me a note with any question's.
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/Spot%20On/308nikobdc.png (http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/Spot%20On/308nikobdc.png)
Post by: WoodlandShooter on September 10, 2013, 11:30:55 AM
Keep in mind that many things change your bullets trajectory...Altitude, Tempreature and Wind....and as this is a SFP optic, as previously stated, the BDC reticle yardage changes with magnification.
so, you will need to have some electronic device with the Nikon Spot On software and also know your station conditions in order to get the correct firing solution if you want to go past 500 yards...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 10, 2013, 01:08:37 PM
Dials, etc.) I agree with the 500 yard limit. But for anything much farther you need more detail and a means to read conditions and calculate real time. I personally think that the custom dials are a better option tban ballistic reticals for work to 500 yards because the reticals don't give a very tight aiming point for mei like to aim exactly wjere I want to aim between circles or dots.
Hands down the most effective way is with a ballistic calculator that accoundlts for wealther and angle etc and turn dials.
Post by: bman940 on September 10, 2013, 01:32:24 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on September 10, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
as you can see, not much changes untill after 500 yards...nice thing, all I need is an altimiter and a thermometer... Scope is Mil Mil and FFP, so I can range with it...or use my leupy rangefinder (to 700 yards)
Post by: bman940 on September 10, 2013, 04:28:43 PM
Post by: fishunt on September 10, 2013, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: bman940 on September 10, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
Post by: fishunt on September 11, 2013, 05:57:38 PM
Post by: Worldhunter on September 11, 2013, 06:01:42 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 11, 2013, 06:37:20 PM
Bull, I don't know if you have checked out Spot On recently, we are constantly updating and making changes to increase accuracy. Right now you can enter atmospheric conditions,elevation and angle of shooting. I can't say that I have ever shot far enough that anything other then wind has impacted my shots, but we are trying to make folks understand all the variable that do come into play when shooting long range. Thank for the reply.
I haven't looked at spot on in a while, as I don't have a Nikon scope. but I am glad you are trying to educate on all the variables affecting the shot. I agree to 500 yards or so there isn't much affect but after that baro pressure and temp can play a substantial role, as well as shooting angle. I think if a shooter realizes the limitations of a certain set of conditions and plans accordingly it can be a great tool for increasing range to 500 or so. I will still just use my weather station, rangefinder, angle finder, and ballistic calculator to get my solution (because I have confirmed in many conditions at many ranges and shooting angle.
I do not believe the hype about custom dials or range cards tho... :twocents:
Post by: bman940 on September 11, 2013, 08:32:38 PM
I don't say that Spot On is the be all end all shooting site but it does have some excellent information.
Fish, There are some big differences between the PROSTAFF 5 and MONARCH 3 scope. The biggest is the Ultra Clear Coat on all glass surfaces with the MONARCH 3, 1 piece body and redesigned spring loaded turrets that were also added to the PROSTAFF 5. It is all backed by Nikon's Full Lifetime warranty too.
I recently had the opportunity to shoot the MONARCH 3 at 500 yards and went 10 for 10. This was one of those days where the rifle and scope made me a way better shooter then I really am. By the way, I was using a BDC reticle scope. A 200 yard zero let me use the 4th BDC circle to make quick and accurate shots.
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/MONARCH%203/bartspoton.jpg (http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/MONARCH%203/bartspoton.jpg)
Post by: fishunt on September 11, 2013, 08:56:53 PM
Post by: bman940 on September 11, 2013, 09:04:48 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on September 13, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Post by: bman940 on September 15, 2013, 10:21:46 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on September 15, 2013, 11:35:31 AM
W., The MONARCH 3 has newest spring loaded turret design. It still has all of the great MONARCH features and glass. Nikon is trying to make it easier for folks to know what series they are buying that is why you are seeing the designation's 3,5 and 7 associated with the PROSTAFF and MONARCH lines of optics.
Thanks. I see the new Monarchs listed as 3, but don't see the 5 or 7 designation anywhere on the Nikon site....what are they?
Post by: bman940 on September 15, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Post by: fishunt on September 15, 2013, 02:44:03 PM
Post by: bman940 on September 15, 2013, 02:50:23 PM
I usually leave parallax at 100 yards until I need to change it.
Here's a def. of parallax I pulled from the web in case anyone is interested.
Parallax
Parallax is essentially an optical illusion. Parallax presents itself as the apparent movement of the reticle, in relation to the target, when your eye moves off center of the sight picture (exit pupil) or in more extreme cases it appears as an out of focus image. It indicates that the scope is either out of focus or more specifically the image of the target is not occurring on the same focal plane as the reticle. Maximum parallax occurs when your eye is at the very edge of the sight picture (exit pupil). Even when parallax is adjusted for a designated distance, there is an inadvertent error at other distances. Most brands of scopes that do not have a parallax adjustment are pre-set at the factory to be parallax free at or around 100 yards; rim fire and shotgun scopes are set at or around 50 yards. Most scopes of 11x or more have a parallax adjustment because parallax worsens at higher magnifications. Generally speaking parallax adjustment is not required for hunting situations and is primarily a feature used and desired by target shooters. A 4x hunting scope focused for 150 yards has a maximum error of only 8/10ths of an inch at 500 yards. At short distances, the parallax effect does not affect accuracy. Using the same 4x scope at 100 yards, the maximum error is less than 2/10ths of an inch. It is also good to remember that, as long you are sighting straight through the middle of the scope, or close to it, parallax will have virtually no effect on accuracy in a hunting situation.
This is another way to think of it that maybe you can relate to. You know when you are sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle its hard to look at the speedometer and tell how fast you are going because your eye....the needle....and the mph number are not all three lined up. So to you it looks like your going 35 when really you are going 55. But the person behind the steering wheel has his eye..the needle and the mph all lined up straight in the same focal plane and gets a true reading.
Post by: PNW_Hunter on September 16, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: fishunt on September 17, 2013, 07:59:28 PM
Thanks bman on the great info. on parallax. Well done.
Post by: bman940 on September 18, 2013, 07:19:19 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on September 18, 2013, 08:54:13 AM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on September 24, 2013, 03:35:07 PM
Corret, pull it out, dial to 400 and push it back in to lock it. Also use the fine focus around the eye piece if needed.
I usually leave parallax at 100 yards until I need to change it.
Here's a def. of parallax I pulled from the web in case anyone is interested.
Parallax
Parallax is essentially an optical illusion. Parallax presents itself as the apparent movement of the reticle, in relation to the target, when your eye moves off center of the sight picture (exit pupil) or in more extreme cases it appears as an out of focus image. It indicates that the scope is either out of focus or more specifically the image of the target is not occurring on the same focal plane as the reticle. Maximum parallax occurs when your eye is at the very edge of the sight picture (exit pupil). Even when parallax is adjusted for a designated distance, there is an inadvertent error at other distances. Most brands of scopes that do not have a parallax adjustment are pre-set at the factory to be parallax free at or around 100 yards; rim fire and shotgun scopes are set at or around 50 yards. Most scopes of 11x or more have a parallax adjustment because parallax worsens at higher magnifications. Generally speaking parallax adjustment is not required for hunting situations and is primarily a feature used and desired by target shooters. A 4x hunting scope focused for 150 yards has a maximum error of only 8/10ths of an inch at 500 yards. At short distances, the parallax effect does not affect accuracy. Using the same 4x scope at 100 yards, the maximum error is less than 2/10ths of an inch. It is also good to remember that, as long you are sighting straight through the middle of the scope, or close to it, parallax will have virtually no effect on accuracy in a hunting situation.
This is another way to think of it that maybe you can relate to. You know when you are sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle its hard to look at the speedometer and tell how fast you are going because your eye....the needle....and the mph number are not all three lined up. So to you it looks like your going 35 when really you are going 55. But the person behind the steering wheel has his eye..the needle and the mph all lined up straight in the same focal plane and gets a true reading.
Just beware that the "yardage" marking on the paralax adjustment is not always correct.
To get it really dialed....
-Adjust the reticle focus to your eye and lock it down.
-Adjust the Paralax (also doubles as a side focus) untill the image comes into focus.
-Once the image is in focus, move your head side to side or up and down to see if the crosshairs move with respect to the target. If they do not move, you have the correct paralax adjustment. If the crosshairs move, adjust the paralax untill there is no more movement
Post by: Don Fischer on September 26, 2013, 03:38:37 AM
Post by: bman940 on September 26, 2013, 09:20:38 AM
By the way, I love Antelope, Ore., it's been a long time since I have ben in that part of the country but I still miss it!
Sorry I can't be more helpful to you . Have you checked out Spot On, Don? It really is a useful tool for long range shooting. I know a lot of guys can't wrap their head around the BDC reticle, just not the way they learned how to shoot, heck, I was one of those guys until I tried it out.
Once an Oregonian always an Oregonian!
Post by: Wacenturion on September 28, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
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Post by: bman940 on October 14, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Thanks for all the question's, you guys have been keeping me busy!
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/lmt308.jpg (http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd363/bman940/lmt308.jpg)
Post by: Blacklab on October 16, 2013, 08:55:35 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on October 16, 2013, 09:38:17 PM
Post by: Thefisherman83 on October 17, 2013, 08:02:26 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on October 17, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
For anybody looking, an Ebay seller "foxoptics" has the new Monarch 3 4-16x42SF for sale $346 shipped. I received mine last week and absolutely love it.
Thanks........
Post by: Thefisherman83 on October 17, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nikon-Monarch-416x42-8421-Deer-Hunting-Rifle-Scope-Side-Focus-Matte-Duplex-/131008398189#ht_3463wt_1399 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nikon-Monarch-416x42-8421-Deer-Hunting-Rifle-Scope-Side-Focus-Matte-Duplex-/131008398189#ht_3463wt_1399)
Post by: Wacenturion on October 17, 2013, 07:21:55 PM
No problem, here's the link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nikon-Monarch-416x42-8421-Deer-Hunting-Rifle-Scope-Side-Focus-Matte-Duplex-/131008398189#ht_3463wt_1399 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nikon-Monarch-416x42-8421-Deer-Hunting-Rifle-Scope-Side-Focus-Matte-Duplex-/131008398189#ht_3463wt_1399)
Duplex reticle.....I prefer the BDC as I have on my other rifles. Thanks though. :tup: