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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: bear hunter on September 10, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
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:bash: I screwed up and ordered the wrong primers. RWS German 1075 plus. It said musket but not us musket. Basically I ordered 1000 mag number 11's. I should of ordered the 1081 wingless musket caps. LOL You live and learn the hard way. lol I guess I just have to switch to number 11's for the next 6 years.
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:bash: I screwed up and ordered the wrong primers. RWS German 1075 plus. It said musket but not us musket. Basically I ordered 1000 mag number 11's. I should of ordered the 1081 wingless musket caps. LOL You live and learn the hard way. lol I guess I just have to switch to number 11's for the next 6 years.
In my book they are the best cap made... I use them exclusively for hunting. They are slightly hotter than a musket cap and if you have the right nipple they seal so tight on the post - they are water proof.
Actually you did not get #11's you got the best #11 Mag cap made.
What rifle are you shooting?
I switched to them several years ago because they were the only thing that would reliably ignite T7 powder in sub zero weather.
A lot of folks do not know that there is a big difference between #11 caps and #11 mag caps.
Might look through this post....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,120040.msg1583364.html#msg1583364 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,120040.msg1583364.html#msg1583364)
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yes they are # 11 caps didn't know they made a mag cap just thought they were the # 11 s they got hard to come by for a time and wouldnt stay on my Ruger 45 cal wheel guns nipples so I switched over the the cci #11 mag caps and haven't had a thing to complane about
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I have a knight bighorn, TC Black Diamond, two k2000 12g and CVA SxS 12g. I use in my big horn 150gr pellets with 250gr sabot.
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as long as you can get them to stay on the nipple you shouldnt have any problems at all like i was saying the # 11 mags by cci work good and these are the German mag #11 there regular #11 caps were pretty good lots of folks used them back east at the shoots and for hunting so should be a good combo for you
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as long as you can them to stay on the nipple you shouldnt have any problems at all like i was saying the # 11 mags by cci work good and these are the German mag #11 there regular #11 caps were pretty good lots of folks used them back east at the shoots and for hunting so should be a good combo for you
Thanks I just have to switch and pick up some more nipples.
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I switched to the RWS per Sabotloader's recommendation a couple years back and they seem to work great. A little stiffer to mount compared to the CCI, IMO, but once on, they stay put.
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I have a knight bighorn, TC Black Diamond, two k2000 12g and CVA SxS 12g. I use in my big horn 150gr pellets with 250gr sabot.
The RWS Dynamit Noble 1075+ plus cap is equivalent to a #11 CCI Mag - even a bit hotter. If you get a nipple that the cap fits on tightly and a good brass capper to hold the caps you can press the cap on to the nipple so tight that you will have to use a knife blade to pry the cap off - if you do not shoot it off.
If it doe not fit your nipple tight - get a different nipple. The 1075 is really a number designation for a cap that measures about 10.75. So the size of the cap is a little larger than a #10 and a little smaller than a #11, but then again the cap is made in Germany so they use the metric system.
I would really suggest you try to find a cap that he caps fits tight on get a good capper like this...
I usually never suggest anything made by Traditions but this one they really got right...
http://www.jgsales.com/traditions-straight-line-capper-for-11-caps-p-49337.html (http://www.jgsales.com/traditions-straight-line-capper-for-11-caps-p-49337.html)
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Adventure Sports has CCI musket winged caps. I figured you would screw up the order. I bought a few extra if you need any.
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:bash: Funny James
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I have a knight bighorn, TC Black Diamond, two k2000 12g and CVA SxS 12g. I use in my big horn 150gr pellets with 250gr sabot.
The RWS Dynamit Noble 1075+ plus cap is equivalent to a #11 CCI Mag - even a bit hotter. If you get a nipple that the cap fits on tightly and a good brass capper to hold the caps you can press the cap on to the nipple so tight that you will have to use a knife blade to pry the cap off - if you do not shoot it off.
If it doe not fit your nipple tight - get a different nipple. The 1075 is really a number designation for a cap that measures about 10.75. So the size of the cap is a little larger than a #10 and a little smaller than a #11, but then again the cap is made in Germany so they use the metric system.
I would really suggest you try to find a cap that he caps fits tight on get a good capper like this...
I usually never suggest anything made by Traditions but this one they really got right...
http://www.jgsales.com/traditions-straight-line-capper-for-11-caps-p-49337.html (http://www.jgsales.com/traditions-straight-line-capper-for-11-caps-p-49337.html)
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Just pick that one up and CVA, Traditions, Knight nipples. Thanks
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Yep Traditions makes a good capper, :tup:
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I sighted in my muzzle and the caps worked perfect. I can't wait for deer season to start. :drool:
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I sighted in my muzzle and the caps worked perfect. I can't wait for deer season to start. :drool:
I am not sure what the fascination with musket caps it. But they really seem to be the choice in the PacNorWest. I could understand it when the Musket caps were hotter than #11's, well they still hotter than regular #11's, but with the advent of the MAG #11's that is no longer a fact. One thing some have problem with is that you can not handle them and post them with your fingers - you really need a capper but again that is the beauty of them - if you use a capper and you have the right nipple you can post them so thigh they become water proof. If you keep the powder dry - they will make the rifle go boom even in sub freezing weather - more so in an inline than a sidehammer unless you tap the powder out under the nipple. Cold dead air spaces are really hard on a cap ignited rifle.
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I sighted in my muzzle and the caps worked perfect. I can't wait for deer season to start. :drool:
I am not sure what the fascination with musket caps it. But they really seem to be the choice in the PacNorWest. I could understand it when the Musket caps were hotter than #11's, well they still hotter than regular #11's, but with the advent of the MAG #11's that is no longer a fact. One thing some have problem with is that you can not handle them and post them with your fingers - you really need a capper but again that is the beauty of them - if you use a capper and you have the right nipple you can post them so thigh they become water proof. If you keep the powder dry - they will make the rifle go boom even in sub freezing weather - more so in an inline than a sidehammer unless you tap the powder out under the nipple. Cold dead air spaces are really hard on a cap ignited rifle.
I personally have not tried musket caps, but found out the hard way with regular # 11 vs Mag #11. On a cold wet day even if your powder is 100% dry regular #11 can fail. I had a failed ignition on a buck when I first started out with muzzy, and quickly figured out my problem. Since then the Mag #11 haven't let me down yet.
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:tup: will also go alone with that haven't had a problem with the # 11 mag caps yet been in the rain and snow here in the northwest , went off every time I touched off the trigger
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RWS are great, have used them for many years, no problems.
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Hi Bearhunter, I find myself out of percussion caps & would like to buy some of those caps if you want to get rid of some.
Thanks,
Forrest
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I would agree with the RWS caps. I have a muzzlestuffer that has shot 5 elk. I loaned it out every time and it has done the deed with out any problems. They all used the RWS caps that came with the rifle. I have never killed an elk with it... YET but I would be using those caps if I was hunting with it.
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Is the capper tool wiser than just placing the cap on the nipple, and 'pressing' the nipple on with the hammer?
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Is the capper tool wiser than just placing the cap on the nipple, and 'pressing' the nipple on with the hammer?
If I understand the question correctly - yes use a capper not the rifles hammer..
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I have been using them since the opener and my rifle has not had a miss fire. My buddy was using cci and it sounds weak and his rifle didn't go off when it counted. He tried to CCI musket caps and nothing. I gave him a 1081 musket and Bang-Boom the rifle went off. So he is going to switch to the German primers.
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Started using those German caps back in the 70's. Wouldn't even consider anything else. :tup:
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
In away the cap being tight is ideal and in that fact is one of the things that make the 1075 more water proof. As I have suggested before the size of the nipple is important and the use of a good brass capper to push the cap on the nipple as tight as possible is important. You really want to cause the convolutions on the side of the cap to expand and create the seal. This tight seal also directs most of the flame and hot gas through the nipple to the powder.
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
In away the cap being tight is ideal and in that fact is one of the things that make the 1075 more water proof. As I have suggested before the size of the nipple is important and the use of a good brass capper to push the cap on the nipple as tight as possible is important. You really want to cause the convolutions on the side of the cap to expand and create the seal. This tight seal also directs most of the flame and hot gas through the nipple to the powder.
yeah i have always used the brass capper but the caps just wouldnt go on far enough. but it do like the idea of a more weatherproof cap setup. lord knows we need it here.
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
In away the cap being tight is ideal and in that fact is one of the things that make the 1075 more water proof. As I have suggested before the size of the nipple is important and the use of a good brass capper to push the cap on the nipple as tight as possible is important. You really want to cause the convolutions on the side of the cap to expand and create the seal. This tight seal also directs most of the flame and hot gas through the nipple to the powder.
yeah i have always used the brass capper but the caps just wouldnt go on far enough. but it do like the idea of a more weatherproof cap setup. lord knows we need it here.
I say normally... but what is normal anymore, anyway normally the new #11 nipples the nipple post is a bit small for a normal #11 cap. The will almost fall off. I believe they are actually created that way for the ease of the shooter to remove an unused cap. The 1075 was created to be tight on the post. To the point that I have to use a knife blade to peel mine off if I do not shoot it off.
Do you know what kind of nipple (who made it) you have? The only nipple (1/4x28) that I have found that is tight enough for the 10.75 is the bronze nipple from AMPCO. But even that has become a problem lately as the flash hole is to narrow for a Mag Cap - I have to drill them out to 0.030.
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
In away the cap being tight is ideal and in that fact is one of the things that make the 1075 more water proof. As I have suggested before the size of the nipple is important and the use of a good brass capper to push the cap on the nipple as tight as possible is important. You really want to cause the convolutions on the side of the cap to expand and create the seal. This tight seal also directs most of the flame and hot gas through the nipple to the powder.
yeah i have always used the brass capper but the caps just wouldnt go on far enough. but it do like the idea of a more weatherproof cap setup. lord knows we need it here.
I say normally... but what is normal anymore, anyway normally the new #11 nipples the nipple post is a bit small for a normal #11 cap. The will almost fall off. I believe they are actually created that way for the ease of the shooter to remove an unused cap. The 1075 was created to be tight on the post. To the point that I have to use a knife blade to peel mine off if I do not shoot it off.
Do you know what kind of nipple (who made it) you have? The only nipple (1/4x28) that I have found that is tight enough for the 10.75 is the bronze nipple from AMPCO. But even that has become a problem lately as the flash hole is to narrow for a Mag Cap - I have to drill them out to 0.030.
who knows what my nipple is, another gift from gpa after mine broke, he has been muzzy hunting for 30+ yrs. I think some of his hand-me-down are that old too
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Traditions also makes a great barrel "condom" for keeping the powder dry they call "rain gear". I learned that it's real easy for water to go down the barrel when pounding through wet brush, even if it hasn't rained.
I tried those "barrel cots" in the red and black package. They are too small and break really easily. The traditions "rain gear" is much tougher and designed for the larger diameter of a muzzleloader. They also come with tiny little sections of surgical tubes which I guess are to cover the cap. My RWS caps seal so tight, that I've never bothered with them. Also see no need for fingernail polish around the cap. This season my rifle was in the rain for a couple days, but when the time came it went boom!
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unknowingly i got 10.75's from my gpa this year and they were not going on my nipple all the way i figured it out after shooting at a cow, during my permit hunt, it took two wacks with the hammer before the gun fired. lol
In away the cap being tight is ideal and in that fact is one of the things that make the 1075 more water proof. As I have suggested before the size of the nipple is important and the use of a good brass capper to push the cap on the nipple as tight as possible is important. You really want to cause the convolutions on the side of the cap to expand and create the seal. This tight seal also directs most of the flame and hot gas through the nipple to the powder.
yeah i have always used the brass capper but the caps just wouldnt go on far enough. but it do like the idea of a more weatherproof cap setup. lord knows we need it here.
I say normally... but what is normal anymore, anyway normally the new #11 nipples the nipple post is a bit small for a normal #11 cap. The will almost fall off. I believe they are actually created that way for the ease of the shooter to remove an unused cap. The 1075 was created to be tight on the post. To the point that I have to use a knife blade to peel mine off if I do not shoot it off.
Do you know what kind of nipple (who made it) you have? The only nipple (1/4x28) that I have found that is tight enough for the 10.75 is the bronze nipple from AMPCO. But even that has become a problem lately as the flash hole is to narrow for a Mag Cap - I have to drill them out to 0.030.
who knows what my nipple is, another gift from gpa after mine broke, he has been muzzy hunting for 30+ yrs. I think some of his hand-me-down are that old too
You know sometimes them old things are not all that bad... since you #11 nipple may be larger than the new counterparts - it could be perfect for the regular CCI #11 Mag cap. It is real possible that you would get all the benefits using that cap that I get using the 1075+ cap.
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Traditions also makes a great barrel "condom" for keeping the powder dry they call "rain gear". I learned that it's real easy for water to go down the barrel when pounding through wet brush, even if it hasn't rained.
I tried those "barrel cots" in the red and black package. They are too small and break really easily. The traditions "rain gear" is much tougher and designed for the larger diameter of a muzzleloader. They also come with tiny little sections of surgical tubes which I guess are to cover the cap. My RWS caps seal so tight, that I've never bothered with them. Also see no need for fingernail polish around the cap. This season my rifle was in the rain for a couple days, but when the time came it went boom!
This is another excellent piece of rain gear - in fact they might even be the company supplying Traditions.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FMuzzleMitt001.jpg&hash=f668a0faef94f57ca068794a79b4ae723e9c13ee) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/MuzzleMitt001.jpg.html)
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Cool to see a few shoreline guys on here. I'm sure we have passed each other at the Kenmore range a few times. I'm shooting the German #11 caps as well but could probably use more if you want to get rid of some if the 1000 that you have.
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Traditions also makes a great barrel "condom" for keeping the powder dry they call "rain gear". I learned that it's real easy for water to go down the barrel when pounding through wet brush, even if it hasn't rained.
I tried those "barrel cots" in the red and black package. They are too small and break really easily. The traditions "rain gear" is much tougher and designed for the larger diameter of a muzzleloader. They also come with tiny little sections of surgical tubes which I guess are to cover the cap. My RWS caps seal so tight, that I've never bothered with them. Also see no need for fingernail polish around the cap. This season my rifle was in the rain for a couple days, but when the time came it went boom!
This is another excellent piece of rain gear - in fact they might even be the company supplying Traditions.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FMuzzleMitt001.jpg&hash=f668a0faef94f57ca068794a79b4ae723e9c13ee) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/MuzzleMitt001.jpg.html)
those look bigger. They must be "magnums." :chuckle:
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ya.. that it Magnums... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: