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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: AspenBud on September 11, 2013, 09:39:06 AM

Title: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: AspenBud on September 11, 2013, 09:39:06 AM: Cross post from another forum

USDA changes made that will affect most breeders

http://michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479136 (http://michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479136)
Title: Re: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: WRL on September 11, 2013, 11:26:27 AM: It "should" not affect those that breed working dogs.

WRL
Title: Re: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: AspenBud on September 11, 2013, 01:03:28 PM: Quote from: WRL on September 11, 2013, 11:26:27 AM
It "should" not affect those that breed working dogs.

WRL

The ambiguity is the problem. What defines a working dog? Is a hunting dog that is also a pet not a working dog? If a breeder sells a dog to a non-hunting home does that open them up to being classified as breeder of non-working dogs?

And what about the four breeding females rule?

Anything that Wayne Pacelle of HSUS supports you should be very wary of.

The UKC put this out today...

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News/USDAFinalRuleChangesandIm09112013030111PM (http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News/USDAFinalRuleChangesandIm09112013030111PM)
Title: Re: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 11, 2013, 02:25:14 PM: My guess it's to help have recourse for those puppy mills operating in unincorporated areas that don't have any local jurisdiction. Gives them another bullet in their gun if needed to shut down an operation.
Title: Re: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: WRL on September 11, 2013, 04:58:26 PM: Quote from: AspenBud on September 11, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
Quote from: WRL on September 11, 2013, 11:26:27 AM
It "should" not affect those that breed working dogs.

WRL

The ambiguity is the problem. What defines a working dog? Is a hunting dog that is also a pet not a working dog? If a breeder sells a dog to a non-hunting home does that open them up to being classified as breeder of non-working dogs?

And what about the four breeding females rule?

Anything that Wayne Pacelle of HSUS supports you should be very wary of.

The UKC put this out today...

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News/USDAFinalRuleChangesandIm09112013030111PM (http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News/USDAFinalRuleChangesandIm09112013030111PM)

I agree and trust me I am no fan of HSUS or Peta. My point is, that it should not affect "bird dog breeders" because YES those are working/hunting dogs. Sooo.........while you can't control what someone does with his or her dog, they are sold as "working dogs".....

Now I totally agree that this is not a step in the right direction. I am just saying, FOR NOW, "we" (hunting dog breeders) are exempt.

WRL
Title: Re: Bird dog breeders beware
Post by: WRL on September 12, 2013, 12:08:47 AM: Petition started to repeal the new USDA rule.

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/usda-aspca-violates-dog.fb31?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=4918855 (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/usda-aspca-violates-dog.fb31?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=4918855)

WRL