Post by: FLIZZ on September 13, 2013, 06:28:25 PM
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Post by: bobcat on September 13, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
Don't take my word for it though, as I have almost zero experience with game wardens. I just never see them in the woods.
Post by: tjthebest on September 13, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: FLIZZ on September 13, 2013, 06:41:19 PM
The orange is so you dont get shot... i personally dont want to get shot
Solid blaze ball cap, 6x4 square on my chest, 8x3 square on my back, solid blaze gloves. If I get shot then someone has it out for me. :chuckle:
I respect your point though!
Post by: Bmcox86 on September 13, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Post by: Greenhorn on September 13, 2013, 06:58:53 PM
Post by: Oldguy on September 13, 2013, 07:06:21 PM
Post by: Bookworm007 on September 13, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 13, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
Nike time.
Post by: Gunsmoke on September 13, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 13, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
I'm just curious if I were to hypothetically just wear a blaze hat, gloves, and about 100 square inches sewn onto my pack if a gamey would actually cite me. OpinionsYes!
Post by: 724wd on September 13, 2013, 08:53:43 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on September 13, 2013, 09:30:26 PM
orange isn't so you don't get shot. if that were the case, you'd have to wear it hiking or walking your dog. orange just makes it easier for the gamies to see you and know who to contact.
What a horses a**.
The only reason it is required is for hunter safety.
My brother was wearing similar clothes the OP mentioned.
When we arrived at our truck, the gamie told him he was in violation.
Since he had an orange sweatshirt in his pack, he got a verbal warning.
Post by: jdb on September 13, 2013, 09:57:53 PM
i think the pots calling the kettle black :dunno:orange isn't so you don't get shot. if that were the case, you'd have to wear it hiking or walking your dog. orange just makes it easier for the gamies to see you and know who to contact.
What a horses a**.
The only reason it is required is for hunter safety.
My brother was wearing similar clothes the OP mentioned.
When we arrived at our truck, the gamie told him he was in violation.
Since he had an orange sweatshirt in his pack, he got a verbal warning.
Post by: Fishnclifff on September 13, 2013, 10:48:33 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 13, 2013, 11:04:31 PM
I don't see your point.Gamie waiting at the truck because he saw a lack of orange, maybe? :chuckle:
Post by: norsepete on September 14, 2013, 07:05:00 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 14, 2013, 07:14:19 AM
But there's no way they could require every person who is outside of their home or a vehicle to wear orange clothing.
I also think it's dumb that orange is the only color allowed. Pink would actually be more visible but you can't use pink, it has to be orange. :rolleyes:
Post by: Jingles on September 14, 2013, 07:15:51 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
Post by: 3nails on September 14, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
Requiring non-hunters to wear orange implies that hunters can't be trusted to properly identify their target. Follow that one to its logical conclusion.Isn't that what the law implies already?
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 08:19:38 AM
Hunters shooting other hunters isn't the same in the eyes of the public.Requiring non-hunters to wear orange implies that hunters can't be trusted to properly identify their target. Follow that one to its logical conclusion.Isn't that what the law implies already?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 14, 2013, 08:22:01 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 14, 2013, 08:26:56 AM
Post by: justaguy on September 14, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
I like being able to see where other hunters are, so I don't blow their setup by accident. And I like not getting shot... :hello:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 14, 2013, 09:02:17 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
[/quote I don't either....just don't be cheap and wear the one from your job (if construction etc) since my bet is they can see the ultra reflective stripes. I've seen many wear those :chuckle:
Post by: Bookworm007 on September 14, 2013, 09:12:43 AM
Post by: 3nails on September 14, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 09:43:24 AM
I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.Prior to hunter orange being required, the number of accidental shooting incidents each year was significantly higher. There are numerous studies which support this.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044112.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044112.htm)
Look at the table at the end and compare the "mistaken for game" columns. Hunters wearing orange where shot at 6 times, versus 117 times for hunters not wearing orange.
Whether or not it should be legally required can be debated, but its effectiveness cannot.
Post by: 3nails on September 14, 2013, 10:02:38 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
I've been digging up some interesting facts. The decline in accidental shooting looks to be related more to when hunter education started than to when orange requirements started. After I get back from fishing I'll try and post some of those.Both have made a difference. The following is from the link I previously posted. New York, like most states started mandatory hunter education programs in the 1960s:
Since 1960, the state legislature in New York has required that all first-time hunting license holders complete a hunter-education course. From 1965 to 1994, reported hunting injuries in New York decreased steadily from 157 (22.3 injuries per 100,000 licensed hunters) to 52 (7.2) and from 11 deaths to one death. In 1991, DEC reviewed hunting-injury reports and concluded that most hunting injuries were associated with violations of basic firearms safety rules. DEC also found that most hunters who were injured as the result of being "mistaken for game" or "in line of fire" were not wearing hunter orange at the time of injury (3).
In 1992, DEC initiated a campaign in New York to promote basic firearms safety and the use of hunter orange clothing through hunter education courses, meetings with hunter organizations, and advertisements in hunting literature. During 1992-1995, following the initiation of this safety promotion campaign, the average annual injury rate decreased 27% compared with the rate during 1988-1991.
Post by: brush hunter on September 14, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
I've been digging up some interesting facts. The decline in accidental shooting looks to be related more to when hunter education started than to when orange requirements started. After I get back from fishing I'll try and post some of those.The decline in accidental shootings could also be due to the decline of hunters. I have had more bullets fly over my head wearing orange than not wearing it, and that would be within 1mile of the road.
Post by: justaguy on September 14, 2013, 10:45:14 AM
If a little bit orange might save my life, why not? Every day I wear a little strap of cloth over my shoulder while I drive that the law requires that is there to help keep me safe, not impose the oppressive power of the MAN. I'll stack the cards in my favor anytime.
You guys wear orange or not, your choice and more power to you. I'll find my target, verify my target, and then reverify my target, but I don't trust the next guy with my life to do the same.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 10:55:43 AM
Post by: Fishnclifff on September 14, 2013, 11:00:19 AM
I don't see your point.Gamie waiting at the truck because he saw a lack of orange, maybe? :chuckle:
They were checking another party parked near us.
They didn't know we were there until we climbed out of the river bed.
I remember my brother saying he was sweating in the sweatshirt and the gamie told him--sweat don't hurt-bullets do.
Post by: Fishnclifff on September 14, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
My vest has dark branch patterns across it, so it's not a big, solid blob. does that help? The critters have never told me, but it makes me feel a little better.
I like being able to see where other hunters are, so I don't blow their setup by accident. And I like not getting shot... :hello:
:yeah:
I have a similar vest
Post by: trophyhunt on September 14, 2013, 11:10:57 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.they may not be able to see the color but they will pick out a solid shape that doesn't look common to them. I don't put my orange on until I get back by the road, get around the trail head or if I'm packing something out.
Post by: huntnphool on September 14, 2013, 11:13:36 AM
I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.Imagine how many more idiots would be aiming at hunters while "glassing" with their rifle scopes if hunters were not required to where it.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Post by: snowpack on September 14, 2013, 11:20:01 AM
Post by: justaguy on September 14, 2013, 11:21:55 AM
http://www.google.com/search?q=camo+blaze+orange&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7ACGW&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=U6s0Ur-1AqWZiAKjjIDgDQ&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=657&dpr=1#imgdii=_ (http://www.google.com/search?q=camo+blaze+orange&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7ACGW&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=U6s0Ur-1AqWZiAKjjIDgDQ&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=657&dpr=1#imgdii=_)
Pick one
Post by: trophyhunt on September 14, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
They do make camo blaze orangeyes, I had some and it's the only orange I'd use, when I put it on.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Orange camo is legal and breaks up the outline a bit more if you prefer.
I've had deer walk within five feet of me wearing solid orange.
It's a no brainer to me.
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 11:42:01 AM
Post by: justaguy on September 14, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
Post by: 3nails on September 14, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
I feel this is the best argument for the orange. Hard to believe people use a scope to glass. Probably the same people who buy cheap binoculars and can't stand looking through them. :chuckle:I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.Imagine how many more idiots would be aiming at hunters while "glassing" with their rifle scopes if hunters were not required to where it.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
I've personally observed it on more than one occasion. I also vividly recall someone I met hunting admit that he "took a few good brush shots" but didn't get anything.
Post by: biggfish on September 14, 2013, 12:21:00 PM
I guess that I phrased my response wrong. I just never see archery guys out there in full orange camo outfits. I have had deer pass within mere feet of me also. Normally when a buck does it, it is during rut when they have pretty much one thing on their mind or are very young and stupid.I don't wear camo when I bow hunt I've been within feet of deer wearing shorts and a t shirt. They don't seem to mind.
Post by: Mossyfam on September 14, 2013, 12:22:16 PM
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 12:25:03 PM
I guess that I phrased my response wrong. I just never see archery guys out there in full orange camo outfits. I have had deer pass within mere feet of me also. Normally when a buck does it, it is during rut when they have pretty much one thing on their mind or are very young and stupid.I don't wear camo when I bow hunt I've been within feet of deer wearing shorts and a t shirt. They don't seem to mind.
I am just curious, do you guys think that hunters are foolish for buying camo and that deer can not see blaze orange?
Post by: 3nails on September 14, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
Post by: biggfish on September 14, 2013, 12:28:44 PM
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
I've tagged out every time I've hunted 2 rifle deer wearing jeans and flannel with an orange vest over the top. Got 1 with a long bow but I did cover myself with mud hoping for an advantage with camouflage and scent control.
I have shot close to 40 deer over the years. While hunting I have worn my orange since I hunt modern. Most of those times I was wearing jeans also. I would say that most times I was pretty well concealed behind brush or a tree or something. It seems that even if I was standing still but exposed with my orange on, the bucks would look my way and bolt out of sight. Just my experience. I believe that the orange makes you stand out but I use it when required. I feel that when I bear hunt and am wearing camo, that if I hold still many animals will either not see me as quickly or try to figure out what I am.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 12:46:23 PM
Quote
I am just curious, do you guys think that hunters are foolish for buying camo and that deer can not see blaze orange?Some people buy camo TP, camo pajamas, camo knives...I'm not sure it helps their success much but it helps the manufacturers. ;)
Post by: Ingwe on September 14, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 12:55:23 PM
QuoteI am just curious, do you guys think that hunters are foolish for buying camo and that deer can not see blaze orange?Some people buy camo TP, camo pajamas, camo knives...I'm not sure it helps their success much but it helps the manufacturers. ;)
That wasn't my question. I will assume that you think that camo is a waste of money by your answer. Not picking, just trying to understand. I really would l like to know what Bearpaw's opinion is on this.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 14, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
Woodman, I do think camo can help in certain situations but is also overrated in others.QuoteI am just curious, do you guys think that hunters are foolish for buying camo and that deer can not see blaze orange?Some people buy camo TP, camo pajamas, camo knives...I'm not sure it helps their success much but it helps the manufacturers. ;)
That wasn't my question. I will assume that you think that camo is a waste of money by your answer. Not picking, just trying to understand. I really would l like to know what Bearpaw's opinion is on this.
Big game animals use three senses to detect danger: sight, sound, and smell. Smell is usually 100%: a whiff of human odor and it's game over. Sight and sound will alert and possibly alarm an animal, but it's usually a combination that sends them. Movement of an abnormal object, or an out of place object that makes an out of place sound will send them.
If someone is downwind, completely stationary, and completely silent but wearing orange I think the odds of the animal leaving are small. Maybe camo makes them smaller, but I don't think by very much.
Post by: snowpack on September 14, 2013, 01:13:46 PM
I'd like to see the stats on accidental shootings in Idaho where it's not the law. I really don't think that those of us who dislike having it as law feel its impossible to have animals walk right by you, movement of any kind no matter what your wearing gets you busted. I love the fact that in Idaho it's my choice.The 'accidental' shootings that come to mind as having happened in this state and in OR have been during bear season and by bear hunters...no orange involved. The people shot weren't even hunters so they wouldn't have been required to wear it anyways. I too would be interested in seeing stats comparing to ID.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 14, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
That's the reason why we have blaze vests with black branches breaking up "the blob".I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.they may not be able to see the color but they will pick out a solid shape that doesn't look common to them. I don't put my orange on until I get back by the road, get around the trail head or if I'm packing something out.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 14, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
If that't your only argument there are alot of light er or brighter shade camo patterns that wouldn't work. Namely the light open country type patterns. Yet they are some of the most effective there is. Oh and they do make blaze orange camo. Where have you been?I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 14, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
In reality camo is a waste of money. Any clothing that has a pattern that would break up an outline will work. Plaid is probably one of the best. We buy camo cause we like it and it looks cool. Plus we have convinced ourselves it is necessary. It's not.QuoteI am just curious, do you guys think that hunters are foolish for buying camo and that deer can not see blaze orange?Some people buy camo TP, camo pajamas, camo knives...I'm not sure it helps their success much but it helps the manufacturers. ;)
That wasn't my question. I will assume that you think that camo is a waste of money by your answer. Not picking, just trying to understand. I really would l like to know what Bearpaw's opinion is on this.
Post by: singleshot12 on September 14, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
The law should have required Hunters and Non Hunters to wear orange during a firearm season. I use it 50 to 75 percent of the time.:yeah: Especially since so many hunting areas are now Discovery Pass areas.
All users while using an area during hunting season need to be seen. Most hunters are experts at identifying their target before pulling the trigger but some aren't.
But neon fluorescent charchuse should be the givin color since "orange" blends in with Autumn colors more :twocents:
Post by: FLIZZ on September 14, 2013, 04:44:36 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Deer are in fact color blind my friend, they cannot see it, had a nice buck walk up to 15 yards looking right in my direction an all I had in front of my was a sparse alder tree, never saw me wearing a solid blaze vest.
Post by: woodman on September 14, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Deer are in fact color blind my friend, they cannot see it, had a nice buck walk up to 15 yards looking right in my direction an all I had in front of my was a sparse alder tree, never saw me wearing a solid blaze vest.
I don't care about the color blind part. I was talking about the brightness. I was raised with black and white tv's and we could tell what was what be it a dog, a cat, a deer or a human.
Post by: FLIZZ on September 14, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
Post by: FLIZZ on September 14, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Deer are in fact color blind my friend, they cannot see it, had a nice buck walk up to 15 yards looking right in my direction an all I had in front of my was a sparse alder tree, never saw me wearing a solid blaze vest.
Nah, wash it it UV brightener free detergent and deer will see you in a shade of grey, like everything else besides black. I hunt in pretty thick stuff anyways so by the time they are in site, they probably should have smelled me first.
Post by: Bob33 on September 14, 2013, 05:32:35 PM
BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY!! I AM WEARING BLAZE ORANGE! just closer to 300 square inches instead of 400. My question wasn't about safety, I'm not an idiot, my question was, do you think in the rare case of even seeing a warden (never have hunting) would he ticket me?I think you will have a hard time arguing that gloves are "worn above the waist".
Post by: huntnphool on September 14, 2013, 05:56:54 PM
Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?Cabelas has a nice vest.
Post by: Curly on September 14, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY!! I AM WEARING BLAZE ORANGE! just closer to 300 square inches instead of 400. My question wasn't about safety, I'm not an idiot, my question was, do you think in the rare case of even seeing a warden (never have hunting) would he ticket me?
I think it depends.
Depends on the warden, depends on the mood the warden is in, and depends on your attitude when he contacts you. He may give a warning, then again he may write a ticket. :dunno: I suspect that if you tell him you know you have 300 sq in and you know the law says 400 sq in, he is likely to write the ticket. :twocents:
Post by: Gunsmoke on September 14, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
If that't your only argument there are alot of light er or brighter shade camo patterns that wouldn't work. Namely the light open country type patterns. Yet they are some of the most effective there is.I don't see what the big deal is. Deer cant see it, and other hunters can. Personally I think you'd be an idiot not to wear it. It is in no way going to harm your hunt.
I really disagree when I hear people say that deer can't see it. Deer can see brightness! Why don't they make camo blaze orange then?
Idiot? Really? But you are right, they won't see you when you make that 400 yd shot with your high powered rifle :tup:
Post by: Fishnclifff on September 14, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY!! I AM WEARING BLAZE ORANGE! just closer to 300 square inches instead of 400. My question wasn't about safety, I'm not an idiot, my question was, do you think in the rare case of even seeing a warden (never have hunting) would he ticket me?
My experience.
Yes you would get cited.
They are looking for the 400 sq inches above the waist.
We have seen guys in Sioxson with the little traffic vests tryin to argue out of a ticket.
Post by: snowpack on September 19, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Post by: Curly on September 19, 2013, 03:03:23 PM
I was at the grocery store today and saw blaze orange cases of Busch. The cases appear to have more than 400 sq in of blaze on them. Do you think if you carry a case with you as long as it is above the waist it would meet the requirement? :yike:
Maybe if you tape it to your back.......... :P
Post by: BIGINNER on September 19, 2013, 03:13:32 PM
HUNTS WILL BE ALOT QUICKER!! :yike: :yike: :hello: :hello:
Post by: steen on September 19, 2013, 06:20:24 PM
Post by: rudedawg1085 on September 20, 2013, 08:59:01 PM
I doubt you'd get cited for that. You've got the orange, just maybe a little less than required by law. Kind of like driving 60 in a 55 zone.
Don't take my word for it though, as I have almost zero experience with game wardens. I just never see them in the woods.
haaaaaaaa, i got popped going 30 in a 25 Tuesday, i better orange blaze it up knowing my luck :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on September 20, 2013, 09:10:48 PM
I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
:yeah:
Post by: grundy53 on September 20, 2013, 09:20:23 PM
Post by: Curly on September 21, 2013, 06:47:53 AM
http://ihea-usa.org/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-orange-requirements (http://ihea-usa.org/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-orange-requirements)
A lot of states just say that orange is recommended.
CO seems excessive with their law. 500 sq in is required and camo blaze orange is NOT allowed.
I am shocked to see that in CA, orange is only recommended. :o I like it, but I am shocked that CA would be like that............
Post by: RAZORBILL on September 21, 2013, 07:15:52 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2013, 08:12:48 AM
If a vest measures out to 400 square inches, but only half of the vest is actually orange, that's only 200 square inches.
So how many people think they are following the law but really are not?
Post by: Curly on September 21, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 21, 2013, 08:27:27 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2013, 08:32:38 AM
Post by: Alchase on September 21, 2013, 09:57:19 AM
I have also had deer bust me from 1/2 a mile away and freeze up like I was a cougar ready to pounce.
Their sight is keyed to movement. You freeze there is a good chance they will not figure you out. As long as they do not smell you.
Deer rely on smell the vast majority of the time, especially if the object of their scrutiny is not moving. You move, your busted. They smell you your busted.
As for blaze orange here is a good explanation:
Rods are photoreceptors that help in low-light conditions. Cones are photoreceptors that enable color vision and distinguish fine details.
“With substantially fewer cones in their retina compared to humans, everything would appear ‘grainy’ to the deer, like a photograph taken with very high speed film. In the area of the horizontal visual streak centered on the hunter’s face, the deer’s acuity is somewhat enhanced and they gain more detail. Deer would not perceive the longer wavelengths of color, so the oranges and reds have turned to brown or gray. This photograph was taken just before sunset when UV rays are at their peak. To the deer’s visual system, the short wavelength blues are enhanced and are visible on the right side of the trees in the direction of the setting sun. The hunter is wearing a new, unwashed pair of camouflage pants. Also visible to the deer are the UV enhancers glowing from these pants.”
“The human lens and central portion of the retina have yellow pigmentation to absorb and filter out UV light from the sun, which also filters some blues and violets. The lens of deer is perfectly clear, and they lack yellow pigmentation in their retina. Deer, being short-lived as compared to humans, do not need such protection from the sun. The absence of these filters allows them to capitalize on the additional light available from the shorter wavelengths of light. Coincidentally, these colors of light are most abundant when the sun is below the horizon at dawn and dusk when the deer’s ultra-sensitive rods are functioning. This gives them a distinct advantage when they’re moving to and from their bedding areas at these times.”
If you do not want to wear a grey (to deer) solid color vest, take a black or brown magic marker and draw a few random lines on the vest. this will break up the grey blob, and still keep the required 400 inches.
I wear my orange vest, but also wear a pack. I have done this since the law was enacted, having many, many, encounters with LEOs of all types and not once has any of them ever even commented on my pack covering a portion of my orange. When packing a kill, antlers, etc... I would definitely place another orange vest on the back of my pack, just for safety reasons.
Honestly I do not worry about deer seeing my orange at all, I am more concerned that other hunters see mine.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 21, 2013, 11:24:15 AM
Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Really, no kidding. Brilliant! :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Really, no kidding. Brilliant! :chuckle:
Don't need your sarcasm, the point I was trying to make is that most camo orange vests are not going to have 400 inches of orange. So if you wear one thinking you're legal.... well- you're not.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 21, 2013, 11:52:41 AM
Well you can come measure mine all out so we know for sure. ;) Oh and forgot to mention I have been checked by a gamie a couple times over the years while wearing mine and it has never even come up.Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Really, no kidding. Brilliant! :chuckle:
Don't need your sarcasm, the point I was trying to make is that most camo orange vests are not going to have 400 inches of orange. So if you wear one thinking you're legal.... well- you're not.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2013, 12:24:45 PM
Sounds like the answer is no, he would not be cited, based on your experience.
Post by: bradslam on September 21, 2013, 12:37:43 PM
I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
:yeah:
Once a year in the whole country? Really, are you high? C'mon, there are alot of idiots carrying guns out there who shouldn't be. I've had several hunters tell me about taking "sound" shots, both rifle and bow. Look at what happened to the brush picker shot in Mason County in 2010 or the woman shot while hiking on Sauk Mountain in 2008. Both were mistaken for bears.
Post by: huntnphool on September 21, 2013, 02:05:16 PM
Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Here you guys go, this tape is at 40". So to make it easy for you and keep some peoples panties from getting in a bunch, lets not include the "non square" area and start at the 10" mark and go to the 30" mark, that would be 20".
Then the other pic has the tape at 24", deduct the black trim so again panties don't get in a bunch and multiply 23"x20", that will give you 460".
Keep in mind we have not included the outside sections you see in the images, leaving plenty of extra orange, which there is clearly more of, to make up for the black branches. Maybe now some of you can sleep better tonight and leave the "whine" to wine makers . :DOH:
Oh yeah, this is my 4' 11" daughters vest too, not some 6' 6" fat man!
Post by: huntnphool on September 21, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
The Cabelas vest does. ;)Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Really, no kidding. Brilliant! :chuckle:
Don't need your sarcasm, the point I was trying to make is that most camo orange vests are not going to have 400 inches of orange.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 21, 2013, 02:36:10 PM
I have the Natural gear one that has even less black than that one.The Cabelas vest does. ;)Well they either meet the 400 square inches of orange or they don't. Regardless of one game warden's opinion, if the actual amount of orange color on a vest is not 400 inches, it doesn't meet the legal requirement.Really, no kidding. Brilliant! :chuckle:
Don't need your sarcasm, the point I was trying to make is that most camo orange vests are not going to have 400 inches of orange.
Post by: Curly on September 21, 2013, 02:45:07 PM
I wish I could find the battery to my camera right now. I laid out my orange vest and made some measurements. I also have my blaze camo coat laid out.
My vest has 400 sq in in the front and 423 sq in in the back. So, I guess that even if 50% was covered in black blobs, I'd be legal.
My coat has fairly large green and black blobs and I'd say only about 50% orange coverage. If my vest had the camo pattern that my coat has, it would be getting close to the 400 sq in mark, but probably still over by a hair (unless my back was covered with a backpack).
Post by: FLIZZ on September 21, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
Post by: 3nails on September 21, 2013, 04:49:17 PM
High? :chuckle: Maybe exaggerating with the "once a year" but not "high". Guess I'm just not the fearful type. Again, I wear it but because it's law. Not because I'm scared.I don't get it. Who planted the idea in peoples heads that there are hunters out there firing at anything that moves? It may happen once a year in the whole country but you are a hundred times more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to your hunting spot than getting shot by a guy shooting willy nilly at everything. There are probably ten thousand things you are more likely to die from.
I wear the required orange but only because it is the law. No other reason.
:yeah:
Once a year in the whole country? Really, are you high? C'mon, there are alot of idiots carrying guns out there who shouldn't be. I've had several hunters tell me about taking "sound" shots, both rifle and bow. Look at what happened to the brush picker shot in Mason County in 2010 or the woman shot while hiking on Sauk Mountain in 2008. Both were mistaken for bears.
Post by: rtspring on September 21, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 21, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
I miss the old days of no Orange!! Damn I was sneaky!!
:DOH: Given your history of threads/posts on this site of your "unjustified treatment" at the hands of WDFW, this is probably not the best thought out post you could have replied with...............just saying!!! :bdid:
Post by: rtspring on September 21, 2013, 07:34:27 PM
I miss the old days of no Orange!! Damn I was sneaky!!
:DOH: Given your history of threads/posts on this site of your "unjustified treatment" at the hands of WDFW, this is probably not the best thought out post you could have replied with...............just saying!!! :bdid:
Sneaky! Meaning no hunters knew I was around them! I hate orange phool
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Post by: Rooster1981 on September 22, 2013, 07:20:28 PM
Its kinda funny if you ever go to Idaho and talk to a local, Hunter Orange whats that :dunno: They will be the first to tell you " you cant shoot what you cant see" . And I'm not sure about now but at one time you could keep your rifle loaded in your truck just not chambered in Idaho as well.