Post by: bugs n bones on September 15, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on September 22, 2013, 10:56:29 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on September 22, 2013, 04:08:52 PM
Post by: mackdaddy on October 04, 2013, 10:25:54 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 04, 2013, 10:45:30 AM
I have a Ruger 77/17 Hornet. Great shooter and fun playing with the reloading. Still trying to figure out what powder Hornaday is using in their 20gr. V-max factory loads.
Try "Lil'Gun" It was designed for small cases. 8208 XBR powder is really good too. It's real temperature stable. When I first started reloading for my .22 Hornet, all the articles I read said that IMR 4198 was the most accurate powder. (17 Fireball, too) and after trying several powders I found that they were correct! I'd start with those, and see what your gun likes...
Post by: mackdaddy on October 04, 2013, 12:12:17 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 04, 2013, 01:14:36 PM
Post by: fastdam on October 04, 2013, 04:06:19 PM
Post by: Bill W on October 04, 2013, 04:13:11 PM
The load for the .17 is a case full of IMR 4198. This came from a Kimber book that was written from a Mike somebody who worked for Hunting and Fishing news at the time.
I would be leery of using H110 in a bottlenecked Hornet case unless it's in a major reloading book.. H110 works with the .22 Hornet along with Win 296. The regular Hornet is a long angled neck.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 04, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: mackdaddy on October 04, 2013, 08:52:30 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 04, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
I heard back from Hornady technical. The powder used in the V-max 20 gr ammunition factory load is not available to the public.
I'm not surprised.
Post by: Bill W on October 04, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
The latest .17 Hornet differs in shoulder angle and length-to-shoulder from the 17 Ackley Hornet. Otherwise they're pretty much the same. I researched the .22 K-Hornet when I got one, and found that there were about 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years. Actually, I got a K-Hornet reamer and turned my hornet into a K-Hornet. When I called to get the reamer, I ordered 2 pilots with it, one was the same pilot that Cooper uses when he makes his guns, and the other is the smallest pilot bushing available. I must have an old Hornet, bored in .223 instead of .224, because neither bushing would go into my bore. I ended up using the reamer without a bushing--just the pilot shaft. I also K'd a friend's CZ .22 Hornet too, and neither bushing would go into his bore either. I emailed CZ to find out what their bore diameter was but never got a reply... :dunno:
That's one thing about wildcats. There's a few different variations of them.
The .17 Ackley Hornet has a sharp shoulder angle. Factories prefer a less sharper angle as it's easier to manufacture the cases.
I bought the .22 K Hornet as it had a 14 inch twist barrel instead of the old standard of a 16 inch twist.
Post by: RadSav on October 05, 2013, 03:45:16 AM
Post by: mackdaddy on October 05, 2013, 06:34:05 AM
Post by: RadSav on October 05, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 07, 2013, 12:45:29 PM
He did not mention which weight V-Max he is running in front of 8.7 gr of H110. Says the results have been good, but guys who have been able to get LIL'gun powder are getting closer to the Hornady factory stuff.
All foreign language to me..so hope that makes sense. Source is a professional guide, one heck of a shooter and a long time loader of varmint loads. I trust him as much as anyone I know!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 07, 2013, 01:35:38 PM
The latest .17 Hornet differs in shoulder angle and length-to-shoulder from the 17 Ackley Hornet. Otherwise they're pretty much the same. I researched the .22 K-Hornet when I got one, and found that there were about 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years. Actually, I got a K-Hornet reamer and turned my hornet into a K-Hornet. When I called to get the reamer, I ordered 2 pilots with it, one was the same pilot that Cooper uses when he makes his guns, and the other is the smallest pilot bushing available. I must have an old Hornet, bored in .223 instead of .224, because neither bushing would go into my bore. I ended up using the reamer without a bushing--just the pilot shaft. I also K'd a friend's CZ .22 Hornet too, and neither bushing would go into his bore either. I emailed CZ to find out what their bore diameter was but never got a reply... :dunno:
That's one thing about wildcats. There's a few different variations of them.
The .17 Ackley Hornet has a sharp shoulder angle. Factories prefer a less sharper angle as it's easier to manufacture the cases.
I bought the .22 K Hornet as it had a 14 inch twist barrel instead of the old standard of a 16 inch twist.
Yeah, my old H&R Handi-rifle has a 1 in 16 twist. Not a tack driver, but a good truck gun. Bought it from a kid that was getting a .17HMR, and needed the money.....
Post by: Yondering on October 07, 2013, 04:06:59 PM
Thanks Doggie. Using lil Gun now. Trying to figure out what Hornady is using in factory loads. It is 12.5 gr of a much finer powder. Not Superformance either, I have that as well.
Lil'Gun, H110/296, and A1680 are all great powders for the 22 Hornet, but the same case with the smaller 17 bore will want a slower powder. I'd look at the Accurate ball powders that are a step or two slower than A1680, although 1680 might work well, being a tad slow for the 22 Hornet.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 07, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Thanks Doggie. Using lil Gun now. Trying to figure out what Hornady is using in factory loads. It is 12.5 gr of a much finer powder. Not Superformance either, I have that as well.
Lil'Gun, H110/296, and A1680 are all great powders for the 22 Hornet, but the same case with the smaller 17 bore will want a slower powder. I'd look at the Accurate ball powders that are a step or two slower than A1680, although 1680 might work well, being a tad slow for the 22 Hornet.
I worked up a 22 K-Hornet load using some 4197 Data powder I bought from an old benchrest shooter. Looked it up on the 'net, and the lot number on the tag on the bottom of the jug was the slowest burning stuff of the 3 lots. I got the 8 lb. jug for 50 bucks. Couldn't pass up a deal like that, and my gun seems to like it! The label on the jug says it's 3 to 4 grains slower burning than 4198--whatever that means...
Post by: Bill W on October 08, 2013, 08:06:26 AM
Thanks Doggie. Using lil Gun now. Trying to figure out what Hornady is using in factory loads. It is 12.5 gr of a much finer powder. Not Superformance either, I have that as well.
Lil'Gun, H110/296, and A1680 are all great powders for the 22 Hornet, but the same case with the smaller 17 bore will want a slower powder. I'd look at the Accurate ball powders that are a step or two slower than A1680, although 1680 might work well, being a tad slow for the 22 Hornet.
I worked up a 22 K-Hornet load using some 4197 Data powder I bought from an old benchrest shooter. Looked it up on the 'net, and the lot number on the tag on the bottom of the jug was the slowest burning stuff of the 3 lots. I got the 8 lb. jug for 50 bucks. Couldn't pass up a deal like that, and my gun seems to like it! The label on the jug says it's 3 to 4 grains slower burning than 4198--whatever that means...
4198 is what my uncle used in his .218 Bee. I bought a Model 43 .22 Hornet in 1967 and mostly used 4227 until I moved out here and wanted more velocity. I had good results with Win's 680 and 296. Win 680 is what I used in the K Hornet and 4198 and AA5744 was for the .17.