Post by: wolfbait on September 19, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Welcome to the Methow Valley
Post by: seth30 on September 19, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
Tuesday night wolves kill a doe three miles below Twisp in a residents yard, and ate most of it. WDFW picked the remains up Wednesday confirming the doe as a wolf kill.Wow how thoughful of that wolf to eat in someones yard :bash: Let me guess the doe was old and sick :chuckle:
Welcome to the Methow Valley
Post by: fastdam on September 19, 2013, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 19, 2013, 10:44:18 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on September 19, 2013, 10:46:26 PM
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 19, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 19, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
Tuesday night wolves kill a doe three miles below Twisp in a residents yard, and ate most of it. WDFW picked the remains up Wednesday confirming the doe as a wolf kill.
Welcome to the Methow Valley
Is this in any of the papers over there.
Post by: mkcj on September 19, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 20, 2013, 12:21:41 AM
Post by: wolfbait on September 20, 2013, 07:37:28 AM
Wolfbait aren't these the wolves that are suppose to be up in the wilderness right now chasing the deer that live in the high country? Not in town during the summer because there scared of humans. I guess there was a reason the wolf trapper for the state put his traps up a couple hundred yards behind someone's house early this summer. :bash:
WDFW's same old lying BS. Wolves are where the deer are, and the deer live in town or in peoples yards. I was talking to a guy last night who said there were 16 bucks that lived in Twisp all summer, he said he has pictures of them.
I met a W-H member hunting up here this week, he said he hunted all day up Cub cr area, no deer but lots of wolf tracks and crap.
WDFW continue to spew how sucessful deer season's have been and how great they will be this year, despite more wolves and a major cougar problem.
Scott Fitkin can sit in the office all day and write reports, but the facts on the ground tell a differrent story as fewer hunters show up every year. Remember when IDFG touted the great elk hunting as fewer and fewer hunters showed up each year to the point that they couldn't give elk tags away, once again welcome to the Methow Valley.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 20, 2013, 07:38:47 AM
All hunters need to be carrying a shovel in their truck just in case they run across fire. It's the responsible thing to do ;)
Lol, of course. Fire is a real and present danger.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 20, 2013, 08:16:39 AM
Wolfbait aren't these the wolves that are suppose to be up in the wilderness right now chasing the deer that live in the high country?
I always figured wolves were different than every other animal species on earth in that they like to work harder for their food. I too thought they would prefer to live in the high country and chase mature bucks instead of eating does and labrador retrievers.
:o
All hunters need to be carrying a shovel in their truck just in case they run across fire. It's the responsible thing to do ;)
:yeah: that's what Dad always said.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 20, 2013, 09:42:18 AM
Post by: snowpack on September 20, 2013, 10:29:08 AM
WDFW's same old lying BS. Wolves are where the deer are, and the deer live in town or in peoples yards. I was talking to a guy last night who said there were 16 bucks that lived in Twisp all summer, he said he has pictures of them.I was reading some articles about elk harvest in MT and ID right about the time they opened up the wolf seasons. The articles were printing numbers for higher harvest/success of elk in those states. All the hugger comments were along the lines of 'see wolves are improving the herds' :rolleyes:. The bios were using old counting methods to assume that the number of animals killed were proportional to animals overall. Turned out in reality there were few elk overall in the state, but the wolves drove all the elk close to humans so the humans weren't having to go so far into the woods to find elk.
I met a W-H member hunting up here this week, he said he hunted all day up Cub cr area, no deer but lots of wolf tracks and crap.
WDFW continue to spew how sucessful deer season's have been and how great they will be this year, despite more wolves and a major cougar problem.
Scott Fitkin can sit in the office all day and write reports, but the facts on the ground tell a differrent story as fewer hunters show up every year. Remember when IDFG touted the great elk hunting as fewer and fewer hunters showed up each year to the point that they couldn't give elk tags away, once again welcome to the Methow Valley.
Post by: fluentvoo on September 20, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
They are plentiful and bold there.
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Post by: boneaddict on September 20, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Post by: AspenBud on September 20, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
Scott Fitkin can sit in the office all day and write reports, but the facts on the ground tell a differrent story as fewer hunters show up every year.
There is some sense to that. Lower harvest or not, a lot of guys don't want to risk an encounter with a wolf and if the hunting is getting as bad as you're advertising people won't come. Even if it isn't, the bad press will make many think twice about going out there. Especially given the price hikes in gas over the last several years, not to mention what the recession has done in and of itself to peoples' pocket books. Gas, lodging, time off...that's a lot to waste on a potentially unproductive hunt.
The number of hunters in WA has also declined virtually every year. People without skin in the game as hunters don't worry much about wolves.
Find a way to increase hunter numbers and you'll get a lot more traction.
Post by: wolfbait on September 20, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
Gee Todd, no wonder you're not giving me any good bear sightings.........
Sorry, the closest bear I have come on to is the one on the trail cam I showed you earlier. One deer, two wolves and one bear in a three week soak.
Post by: wolfbait on September 20, 2013, 06:19:48 PM
Scott Fitkin can sit in the office all day and write reports, but the facts on the ground tell a differrent story as fewer hunters show up every year.
There is some sense to that. Lower harvest or not, a lot of guys don't want to risk an encounter with a wolf and if the hunting is getting as bad as you're advertising people won't come. Even if it isn't, the bad press will make many think twice about going out there. Especially given the price hikes in gas over the last several years, not to mention what the recession has done in and of itself to peoples' pocket books. Gas, lodging, time off...that's a lot to waste on a potentially unproductive hunt.
The number of hunters in WA has also declined virtually every year. People without skin in the game as hunters don't worry much about wolves.
Find a way to increase hunter numbers and you'll get a lot more traction.
Really, do you honestly think that people who have hunted the Methow for fifty years would take my word that there are no deer left? And do you think they all read W-H? Like Idaho etc. fewer and fewer hunters come back after realizing there are more wolves and very few deer. As far as hunters encountering wolves, I know several who would love an encounter, and it would surely be the last one for the wolf.
How would we gain traction with a increase in hunters? WDFW stacked the wolf working group with pro-wolf people, the wolf meetings are a joke, and now 5 years after the lie of first wolf pack in 70 years, WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless forced to do so.
How many wolves are in WA? Watch the game herds start to decline sharply in the next few years.
Post by: splitshot on September 20, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
Post by: Birdguy on September 20, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Post by: mkcj on September 20, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 20, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
I thought it was funny how the WDFW could confirm a wolf kill on a doe in minutes but a wolf kill on a domestic animal is not possible these days :dunno:.
Scott Fitkin wasn't in charge of the confirming for WDFW :tup: If we could somehow keep Fitkin's type and Olympia in the office next to their computers, coffee pot and let the people who aren't mixed up with the greenies confirm wolf packs, livestock kills and the impact on the game herds we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 20, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
All hunters need to be carrying a shovel in their truck just in case they run across fire. It's the responsible thing to do ;)
Lol, of course. Fire is a real and present danger.
Just picked up me and my buddy shovels tonight. :tup:
Post by: AspenBud on September 21, 2013, 09:39:14 AM
Scott Fitkin can sit in the office all day and write reports, but the facts on the ground tell a differrent story as fewer hunters show up every year.
There is some sense to that. Lower harvest or not, a lot of guys don't want to risk an encounter with a wolf and if the hunting is getting as bad as you're advertising people won't come. Even if it isn't, the bad press will make many think twice about going out there. Especially given the price hikes in gas over the last several years, not to mention what the recession has done in and of itself to peoples' pocket books. Gas, lodging, time off...that's a lot to waste on a potentially unproductive hunt.
The number of hunters in WA has also declined virtually every year. People without skin in the game as hunters don't worry much about wolves.
Find a way to increase hunter numbers and you'll get a lot more traction.
Really, do you honestly think that people who have hunted the Methow for fifty years would take my word that there are no deer left?
In many cases hunters who have been hunting that area 50 years are starting to get too old to hunt or are dying. Who is replacing them? The statistics aren't encouraging.
And do you think they all read W-H?
And you post here because?...
Like Idaho etc. fewer and fewer hunters come back after realizing there are more wolves and very few deer. As far as hunters encountering wolves, I know several who would love an encounter, and it would surely be the last one for the wolf.
People fear them, that's indisputable. Many will stay out of areas they are in.
How would we gain traction with a increase in hunters? WDFW stacked the wolf working group with pro-wolf people, the wolf meetings are a joke, and now 5 years after the lie of first wolf pack in 70 years, WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless forced to do so.
And that was allowed to happen because Washington's hunting culture is dying.
How many wolves are in WA? Watch the game herds start to decline sharply in the next few years.
And when that happens how many people will care? People who don't hunt don't have skin in the game.
Low hunter numbers in this state are more of a problem than you seem to want to acknowledge on this issue.