Post by: trophyhunt on September 22, 2013, 05:34:42 PM
Post by: norsepeak on September 22, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 22, 2013, 05:44:32 PM
Post by: shrek on September 22, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
Post by: jjhunter on September 22, 2013, 05:57:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on September 22, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on September 22, 2013, 06:43:59 PM
Not trying to say its not a great bull because it is.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 22, 2013, 06:47:58 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't see that bull going over 370? :dunno:i know what your saying but the tines are pretty damn long.
Not trying to say its not a great bull because it is.
Post by: Bigtine96 on September 22, 2013, 06:50:51 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't see that bull going over 370? :dunno:i know what your saying but the tines are pretty damn long.
Not trying to say its not a great bull because it is.
the eye's and the 2's are maybe in the 20's but to be a 400'' 6 point everything has to be incredibly long. I'm seeing like a 350-375 bull "from this picture."
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2013, 06:55:16 PM
Robinette... Now let Rob tell ya what a "great" guy Kevin is.
Robinette... Now let Rob tell ya what a "great" guy Kevin is.
Robinette... Now let Rob tell ya what a "great" guy Kevin is.
What's the story?
Post by: coachcw on September 22, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on September 22, 2013, 07:24:45 PM
Post by: norsepeak on September 22, 2013, 07:25:36 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't see that bull going over 370? :dunno:i know what your saying but the tines are pretty damn long.
Not trying to say its not a great bull because it is.
the eye's and the 2's are maybe in the 20's but to be a 400'' 6 point everything has to be incredibly long. I'm seeing like a 350-375 bull "from this picture."
I agree, was thinking 380 tops.
Post by: Tbar on September 22, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
Robinette... Now let Rob tell ya what a "great" guy Kevin is.I appreciate the fact that a successful guy chooses to spend a ton of money on something that benefits us all(wildlife). He could easily take it out of state and hunt elsewhere. Btw thanks for sharing. :twocents:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 22, 2013, 07:59:10 PM
Post by: M_ray on September 22, 2013, 08:12:59 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 22, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
Post by: Easy-E on September 22, 2013, 09:14:28 PM
Post by: JODakota on September 22, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on September 22, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't see that bull going over 370? :dunno:
Not trying to say its not a great bull because it is.
Post by: huntnnw on September 22, 2013, 10:00:50 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 22, 2013, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 23, 2013, 06:01:53 AM
Post by: huntnnw on September 23, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2013, 06:16:02 AM
Post by: benhuntin on September 23, 2013, 06:19:35 AM
So was this the raffle bull or governors bull?i think he has both tags
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 06:21:25 AM
Post by: tgray on September 23, 2013, 06:58:55 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on September 23, 2013, 07:22:35 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on September 23, 2013, 07:27:06 AM
Post by: 724wd on September 23, 2013, 07:32:18 AM
heres a 407 6x6. hard to get a 6 that goes over 400
:yeah: BIG difference in tine length! the Mossback bull has some mass, but igotbigbulls bull has WAY more length. but i tell you what, i'd tag either one! :chuckle: :tup:
igotbigbulls, was your bull taken in the same area as the one in question? i thought i read where you hunted out of dayton...
Post by: brianb231 on September 23, 2013, 08:30:14 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 09:28:55 AM
Robinette... Now let Rob tell ya what a "great" guy Kevin is.Dont hate the player, hate the game!
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 10:31:19 AM
I don't hate either. You need to appreciate the quality of bulls do to sound management practices and hope his $$ is going to the right places.. For you to get on the www and talk about what a "standup" guy Kevin is, is funny at best... Talk about how big of bulls we have in Wa or what great things his $$$ is doing, but don't put your ethics and values on the line when you don't really know someone other than seeing them on the mountain or kissing they're azz to come doc to look at they're collection of "bought " bulls.He didn't buy his bulls, he bought the tags, big difference. As far as the quality of bulls, you are preaching to the choir.
Keep on hating shrek, it's what everyone here expects from your posts anyway. :chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on September 23, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 23, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 10:40:05 AM
:yeah:+1
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: snowpack on September 23, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
I'd have the tags if I could afford them !!!!! lets be real he is living the dream.:yeah: I don't play the OIL draws because of low odds and low points, just told myself need to strike it rich and buy out the raffle one day...figure it would probably happen sooner than the regular drawing. :chuckle:
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 23, 2013, 10:50:03 AM
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 10:51:16 AM
I'd have the tags if I could afford them !!!!! lets be real he is living the dream.
I think we all would! But is he really a top notch hunter and a great guy? LMFAO...
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 10:52:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 10:56:12 AM
Didn't you get the lesson as a kid that said if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all?
You should go find a different forum to pollute.
Post by: C-Money on September 23, 2013, 11:01:09 AM
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 11:05:19 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 11:06:10 AM
Folks don't like the truth jack... I like how phool can passive aggressively talk smack to a kid a about a damn nice buck, and nothing gets said.. What scoring system did you use ? Give me a break..
How about you give me a break. Read your posts. Nothing but giving people crap about everything you can think of. Virtually every single one of your posts is crap talk. And you wonder why people don't post.
Probably a combination of your theory and mine.
:twocents:
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
Post by: gunnarnewt on September 23, 2013, 11:18:41 AM
Post by: C-Money on September 23, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
No matter what the score, definitely a shooter!
:yeah: For sure!! Great bull!
Post by: hntrspud on September 23, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
So he is killing those bulls DIY? Good one !! He's paying a finders fee for the biggest bull. I've seen the bucks he's killed in Montana before he had big $$$$. Well, it's what you'd expect from a drunk that was hung over on his hunt. So yes, if you don't think he's buying those bulls, you're a "phool".. Pun intended
Seriously? Its a beautiful bull no matter the score and you have to come on here like YOU are THE B&C scorer? Those of us that continue to post on here, are tired of seeing and reading your degrading posts! Do you have nothing better to do? I hope to god that you are not this sour in real life!
Post by: Curly on September 23, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
No matter what the score, definitely a shooter!
:yeah: For sure!! Great bull!
:yeah:
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 11:33:42 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 23, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
not hatin, just sayin. I think I sent this guy trailcamera pics of the one he killed in 2011...
Post by: idahohuntr on September 23, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
So if the money generated from these raffles goes to support habitat etc...maybe instead of wdfw raising money from raffles to pay people to do some of this work they should develop a system where each "volunteer hour" gets you a raffle ticket of your choice...accomplishes the same goal (habitat improvement etc.) right? I've given 2 seconds of thought to this and I know there are many potential issues but in principle I would prefer such a method of allocating premium tags.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 23, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Guess that's the good part, it was Indian land he killed it on. Lol
:dunno: there's no rez down that area, was it privately owned land by the a Tribe (trust or fee land)? If so I didn't know Umatillas or any area Tribe for that matter opened big game hunting to mon-membera on any Tribal land?
Post by: igotbigbulls on September 23, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 23, 2013, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 23, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2013, 01:12:18 PM
atleast shrek has taken some of the heat of RT... :chuckle:
Thank God!!!
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2013, 01:16:33 PM
Rtspring
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.
We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.
How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"
Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:
I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
Post by: BIGINNER on September 23, 2013, 01:30:46 PM
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?
Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.
We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.
How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"
Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:
I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
THIS IS THE INTERNET,.. AND YOU'RE WRONG!! :bdid:
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
:chuckle:What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?
Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.
We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.
How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"
Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:
I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
THIS IS THE INTERNET,.. AND YOU'RE WRONG!! :bdid:
Post by: gotcha on September 23, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 23, 2013, 02:46:24 PM
:chuckle:What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?
Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.
We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.
How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"
Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:
I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
THIS IS THE INTERNET,.. AND YOU'RE WRONG!! :bdid:
Heyyyy......majority of the time I scout/hunt by myself. :chuckle: I wish I had some money to hire an outfitter/guide it would definitely save me time and money but, wheres the fun in that? To each their own, if we all had a little bit more money who knows what we'd use it for?
All I wanted was to see a pic!?! Sometimes these threads get out of whack, I guess that's just the nature of the beast.
:yeah: cant we all just get along??? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on September 23, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 02:59:07 PM
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
5 TICKET CAP ON RAFFLE TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rockin:
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 03:07:03 PM
I have been as critical and opposed to the raffle system as anyone on here, I think it should have a limit of 5 tickets maximum per Wild ID number.What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!!
That being said, I hold no ill will towards though that play the game to their advantage, but that does not mean I condone the game itself.
Post by: 724wd on September 23, 2013, 03:07:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 03:08:48 PM
Ive been saying the same thing since it's inception! :tup:What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
5 TICKET CAP ON RAFFLE TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rockin:
Post by: kirkl on September 23, 2013, 03:12:10 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on September 23, 2013, 03:18:07 PM
Your opinions on this? This is my opinion and would like to hear yours.
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
:sry:
Post by: Skillet on September 23, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
Ive been saying the same thing since it's inception! :tup:What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
5 TICKET CAP ON RAFFLE TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rockin:
What would be the difference between that and a really expensive draw application?
The raffle fits in the middle ground between the auction tag and the Quality Bull draws. I'm not even close to being a fan of the WDFW's management strategies, but seems like the raffle fits into the grand scheme of things pretty well.
:twocents:
Post by: BIGINNER on September 23, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
I have no problem with him having money and buying the tags. I have no problem with him hiring any guide he chooses. Don't care if he shoots a rag horn or 400" bull. I do have a problem with the guide having the client sit in a hotel room until the guide calls him to come up on the mountain and shoot the bull like Mossback is know to do. This was their tactic on a lot of bulls in the past I don't know about this bull, but last year mossback had a client not for sure it was this guy but someone with a gov tag or raffle tag telling people they will pay them $$$ for 400" bull and the client was in the hotel room waiting for a call to come shoot one not out hunting himself. That is BS in my opinion not hunting or a good way to portray it!
Your opinions on this? This is my opinion and would like to hear yours.
STILL WRONG.... :tung:
Post by: idahohuntr on September 23, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Ive been saying the same thing since it's inception! :tup:What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
5 TICKET CAP ON RAFFLE TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rockin:
What would be the difference between that and a really expensive draw application?
The raffle fits in the middle ground between the auction tag and the Quality Bull draws. I'm not even close to being a fan of the WDFW's management strategies, but seems like the raffle fits into the grand scheme of things pretty well.
:twocents:
There is no middle ground when the raffle ticket winners are spending $20k-$40k on raffle tickets, essentially buying them. The regular guys like you and me that are spending $5-$100 don't have a prayer of winning at that rate.
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2013, 03:39:24 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 23, 2013, 03:40:08 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on September 23, 2013, 03:41:50 PM
Go to this facebook page and tell me that the 366" bull and 388" are 56" and 34" smaller then the 410" + 6" broken off tine WA bull. I just don't see it. Plus the Utah girl's bull 418" is only 2" bigger then this WA bull. Damn maybe I should have my bulls scored by Mossback I might add 50" to my scores!
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
I am not a fan of finder's fees or a bounty put on an animal's head.
:sry:
Oh hell it's the same as you or I going with bearpaw! Lmfao
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 03:50:10 PM
Actually the guy last year bought ten tickets and won the raffle
Not the eastside elk raffle.
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
Post by: shrek on September 23, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
Post by: rtspring on September 23, 2013, 03:56:30 PM
Actually the guy last year bought ten tickets and won the raffle
Not the eastside elk raffle.
Central
Post by: brianb231 on September 23, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
The Raffle is a money maker! No way are we going to change thatI believe more people would buy tickets and likely max out their 5 if it were limited and priced the same as right now, making up the difference in what a couple guys spend currently.
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
I am not sure if this is the same raffle but my friend who is up hunting right now fro a big bull that won the eastside raffle that gets you any additional Bull Elk in any 300 or 500 series units and any Ram and an additional buck tag with a season from Sept 1st thru December 31st spent 17$ on one ticket. :dunno:
Not the same. This guy is hunting the 100 units in the southeast part of the state.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 23, 2013, 06:22:02 PM
The Raffle is a money maker! No way are we going to change thatI believe more people would buy tickets and likely max out their 5 if it were limited and priced the same as right now, making up the difference in what a couple guys spend currently.
I don't know if it would raise more money, but I would be more likely to buy tickets. I have held off on certain raffles due to the big spenders loading the barrel full of tickets over the last few years.
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 06:25:54 PM
You might be surprised how many people feel the same way.I would be more likely to buy tickets. I have held off on certain raffles due to the big spenders loading the barrel full of tickets over the last few years.The Raffle is a money maker! No way are we going to change thatI believe more people would buy tickets and likely max out their 5 if it were limited and priced the same as right now, making up the difference in what a couple guys spend currently.
Post by: idahohuntr on September 23, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
:yeah: First year I bought 0 raffle tickets...just not into it anymore knowing somebody is going to throw 30k worth of tickets into the barrel!! Even though my odds would be no better if 1000 guys each bought $30 in tickets. :dunno:You might be surprised how many people feel the same way.I would be more likely to buy tickets. I have held off on certain raffles due to the big spenders loading the barrel full of tickets over the last few years.The Raffle is a money maker! No way are we going to change thatI believe more people would buy tickets and likely max out their 5 if it were limited and priced the same as right now, making up the difference in what a couple guys spend currently.
Post by: Wea300mag on September 23, 2013, 06:56:40 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130609.msg1737653.html#msg1737653 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130609.msg1737653.html#msg1737653)
Post by: furbearer365 on September 23, 2013, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 23, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
Actually the guy last year bought ten tickets and won the raffleThat was Brad two years ago
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 07:04:48 PM
And he should be limited to one ticket!Actually the guy last year bought ten tickets and won the raffleThat was Brad two years ago
Post by: snowpack on September 23, 2013, 07:11:25 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
Even if the number of tickets could be capped, it would still be a money game. It would just be a method for those capable of affording 5 (or 10--whatever the cap would be) to distance themselves from those that can only by one ticket. It would be like playing cards at a high limit table vs a no limit table. I wouldn't favor revamping the current raffle, but maybe making a separate raffle--having an identical number of tags/combos up for prize but have the caps. If WDFW is losing money because people are scared to play the raffle because unlimited sales, maybe a second raffle could generate even more money. And at the same time let more people get in on trying to get a tag. :dunno:They already have one tag for these people, its called the "auction" tag. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2013, 07:21:25 PM
The western elk raffle winner only bought 4 I think, I love it when the little guys win!! And about 6 or 7 years ago my hunting partner drew the east side elk with one ticket, and I think he was an alternate that year.
Isn't that "Huntincouple" on here?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 23, 2013, 08:11:37 PM
They are in the woods hunting ...The western elk raffle winner only bought 4 I think, I love it when the little guys win!! And about 6 or 7 years ago my hunting partner drew the east side elk with one ticket, and I think he was an alternate that year.
Isn't that "Huntincouple" on here?
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2013, 08:22:44 PM
yes.The western elk raffle winner only bought 4 I think, I love it when the little guys win!! And about 6 or 7 years ago my hunting partner drew the east side elk with one ticket, and I think he was an alternate that year.
Isn't that "Huntincouple" on here?
Post by: BUTTER on September 24, 2013, 07:29:26 AM
Post by: TheHunt on September 24, 2013, 07:58:03 AM
I can understand the people who just get a phone call and they come out and shoot then leave. I personally like to hike around and mess around in the woods as part of the fun. If I had 10's of millions of dollars I would be paying for Mossback etc... but I would want to get out there with the people looking for the elk so I could learn something.
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2013, 09:23:14 AM
Post by: TheHunt on September 24, 2013, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 24, 2013, 10:03:36 AM
North America is unique. In the first half of the 20th century, leaders including Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold shaped a set of ideals that came to be known as the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. They articulated a philosophy that wildlife belongs to the people, and not government, corporations or individuals. The Model is guided by seven principles:
1. In the Public Trust– Wildlife belongs to the people and managed in trust for the people by government agencies.
2. Prohibition on Commerce of Dead Wildlife– It will be illegal to sell the meat of any wild animal in North America.
3. Allocation of Wildlife is by Law– Laws developed by the people and enforced by government agencies will regulate the proper use of wildlife resources.
4. Opportunity for All– Every citizen has the freedom to hunt and fish.
5. Non-frivolous Use – In North America we can legally kill certain wildlife for legitimate purposes under strict guidelines for food and fur, in self-defense, or property protection. Laws are in place to restrict casual killing, killing for commercial purposes, wasting of game, and mistreating wildlife.
6. International Resources– Because wildlife and fish freely migrate across boundaries between states, provinces, and countries they are considered an international resource.
7. Managed by Science– The best science available will be used as a base for informed decision making in wildlife management.
As one ponders governor’s tags, raffle tags, special permits, landowner tags, trespass fees and the like, and then considers that only three percent of our state’s population hunts and that number is shrinking, does that say anything about the future of this model?
Post by: NWWA Hunter on September 24, 2013, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 24, 2013, 10:06:07 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 24, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: shrek on September 24, 2013, 12:20:22 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on September 24, 2013, 01:00:08 PM
Ya he's quite the "go getter":tup:
Post by: idahohuntr on September 24, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
In many countries, wildlife is owned either by the state or by individual landowners.
They articulated a philosophy that wildlife belongs to the people, and not government, corporations or individuals.
As one ponders governor’s tags, raffle tags, special permits, landowner tags, trespass fees and the like, and then considers that only three percent of our state’s population hunts and that number is shrinking, does that say anything about the future of this model?
The "government" is the people in the United States.
I see no issue with this model regardless of how many people hunt (or don't hunt)...the wildlife are still owned by the people. How those people choose to allocate a limited resource (gov tags, raffles, trespass fees, non-consumptive use etc...) may change though.
Post by: furbearer365 on September 24, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on September 24, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on September 24, 2013, 03:59:10 PM
heres a 407 6x6. hard to get a 6 that goes over 400
:yeah: BIG difference in tine length! the Mossback bull has some mass, but igotbigbulls bull has WAY more length. but i tell you what, i'd tag either one! :chuckle: :tup:
igotbigbulls, was your bull taken in the same area as the one in question? i thought i read where you hunted out of dayton...
well i cant say exactly because the BMM might put a hit out on me :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 24, 2013, 04:11:44 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 24, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 24, 2013, 06:19:27 PM
:yeah: Don't you ever forget it neither :bdid:
Elk blood in, elk blood out bigbulls, you knew the deal when you joined the BMM. :chuckle:
Post by: floatinghat on September 25, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
It's a nice Bull and I will leave it at that.