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Title: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: emac on September 27, 2013, 09:10:11 AM
Is it legal to use archery equipment during muzzy season.  I thought I read it in the regs once but then I went back and looked but couldn't find it.  I have my disability crossbow permitt so I am also wondering if you can use archery during muzzy season would it be legal to use a scope on my crossbow during muzzy and rifle season
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 27, 2013, 09:15:04 AM
Yeah it's legal, it's a lesser weapon issue.  You can hunt anything that's less capable of the actual weapon designation.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 27, 2013, 09:15:28 AM
Yes it is legal to hunt with a bow during modern and muzzle. Or if you have the multi tag you could hunt all seasons with a bow. That's pretty much how I use the multi tag.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 27, 2013, 09:21:23 AM
Yes it is legal to hunt with a bow during modern and muzzle. Or if you have the multi tag you could hunt all seasons with a bow. That's pretty much how I use the multi tag.





 :yeah:
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: emac on September 27, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
Alright thanks.  Well I will be taking it with me this weekend since it is suppose to be raining and I havent got an animal with it yet.  Snuck up on a nice buck during archery season had it at 10 yards but didn't wanna burn up the multi season tag so early.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: lokidog on September 27, 2013, 10:15:16 AM
Are you guys sure that it is legal to use a bow during ML season?  It used to not be legal a couple years ago.  Did they change it?  Always thought it was stupid that it was not legal as it is a "lesser" weapon, but it was not.

You can use the scope on the X-bow during Modern season, but if legal during ML, I would guess the answer would be no scope on it if you cannot use a scope on it during archery season.

Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equip    This is from the regs regarding Firearm Restricted Areas, I am not sure why it would be different in the non-restricted areas.  So, still not legal where I live.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on September 27, 2013, 10:24:51 AM
Yet it's legal to use a bow during muzzleloader season (if you have a muzzleloader or multi season tag).
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: brocka on September 27, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
I contacted F & G about this. I was told the only way you can use a lesser weapon (bow during muzzy for example) is if you hold a multi season tag.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: Mike450r on September 27, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
I don't think it is legal,  I believe the lesser weapon only applies during modern firearm season.

EDIT,  see above post,  you will be fine since you have the multi season tag.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: Holg3107 on September 27, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
Please read the regs before posting!!! Here is the direct quote from the regs. Multi-season tags have nothing to do with it. Yes it is legal.

Quote
Hunting Method: Muzzleloader tag holders can only hunt during muzzleloader seasons and must hunt with muzzleloader or archery equipment. hunting equipment must meet regulations on page 76-77
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on September 27, 2013, 10:35:14 AM
In the past it wasn't legal, but they changed the law and made it legal a year or two ago.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on September 27, 2013, 10:36:29 AM
I contacted F & G about this. I was told the only way you can use a lesser weapon (bow during muzzy for example) is if you hold a multi season tag.

That's not correct.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: buckbuck on September 27, 2013, 11:28:34 AM
The point to be made here is that you have to have a ML license to hunt with archery equipment during the ML season......
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: cbond3318 on September 27, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
I was actually looking this up this morning as this is my first year with a MS Permit, my question was can you carry both weapons , muzzleloader and archery?
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: brocka on September 27, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
I contacted F & G about this. I was told the only way you can use a lesser weapon (bow during muzzy for example) is if you hold a multi season tag.

That's not correct.

Ok
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: lokidog on September 27, 2013, 04:21:07 PM
In the past it wasn't legal, but they changed the law and made it legal a year or two ago.

Wonder why they did not change it in the Firearm Restricted Areas?  WDFW's anti-consistency agenda strikes again I guess.   :bash:
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: ghosthunter on September 30, 2013, 08:03:15 PM
We have a guy who's ex girl friend put a no contact order on when they broke up .Part of the order says no firearms. ML are firearms in this state. Thus to hunt with us he had to purchase ML tag, but hunts with a bow. He can only hunt ML elk tag. He cannot later hunt a archery season.

He could do the same thing for modern deer if he wanted.

The state is aware that people who have been restricted by a court are doing this and accomidated them.

The same goes for hunter Ed. They can take the class but not handle firearms. They Are tested handling a bow.

Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: Gunsmoke on October 01, 2013, 11:16:42 AM
Please read the regs before posting!!! Here is the direct quote from the regs. Multi-season tags have nothing to do with it. Yes it is legal.




 :yeah:  it is clearly stated in the regs
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: Bob33 on October 01, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
Not sure which parts of these are unclear?

Deer: Hunting Method: Muzzleloader tag holders can only hunt during muzzleloader seasons and must hunt with muzzleloader or archery equipment.

Elk: Hunting Method: Muzzleloader tag holders can hunt only during the muzzleloader seasons and must hunt with muzzleloader or archery equipment.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: lokidog on October 01, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
What page?  I looked all over for it.  Still not legal to use a bow during muzzle in F.R. Areas. 
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
What page?  I looked all over for it.  Still not legal to use a bow during muzzle in F.R. Areas.

Sure it is. Why wouldn't it be? If you have a muzzleloader tag, you can use a muzzleloader or a bow (during muzzleloader season, of course.) And a bow is certainly allowed under the firearm restriction rules, since it's not even a firearm!
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: erk444 on October 01, 2013, 08:20:51 PM
Are you guys sure that it is legal to use a bow during ML season?  It used to not be legal a couple years ago.  Did they change it?  Always thought it was stupid that it was not legal as it is a "lesser" weapon, but it was not.

You can use the scope on the X-bow during Modern season, but if legal during ML, I would guess the answer would be no scope on it if you cannot use a scope on it during archery season.

Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equip    This is from the regs regarding Firearm Restricted Areas, I am not sure why it would be different in the non-restricted areas.  So, still not legal where I live.
It seems a little unclear though if you read what loki highlighted :dunno:
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
Are you guys sure that it is legal to use a bow during ML season?  It used to not be legal a couple years ago.  Did they change it?  Always thought it was stupid that it was not legal as it is a "lesser" weapon, but it was not.

You can use the scope on the X-bow during Modern season, but if legal during ML, I would guess the answer would be no scope on it if you cannot use a scope on it during archery season.

Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equip    This is from the regs regarding Firearm Restricted Areas, I am not sure why it would be different in the non-restricted areas.  So, still not legal where I live.
It seems a little unclear though if you read what loki highlighted :dunno:

I'm sure that part just didn't get updated since the change in the law.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: dreamingbig on October 01, 2013, 08:51:45 PM

I was actually looking this up this morning as this is my first year with a MS Permit, my question was can you carry both weapons , muzzleloader and archery?

Not true.  If you have the multiseason tag then you also can.


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Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: lokidog on October 01, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Are you guys sure that it is legal to use a bow during ML season?  It used to not be legal a couple years ago.  Did they change it?  Always thought it was stupid that it was not legal as it is a "lesser" weapon, but it was not.

You can use the scope on the X-bow during Modern season, but if legal during ML, I would guess the answer would be no scope on it if you cannot use a scope on it during archery season.

Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equip    This is from the regs regarding Firearm Restricted Areas, I am not sure why it would be different in the non-restricted areas.  So, still not legal where I live.
It seems a little unclear though if you read what loki highlighted :dunno:

I'm sure that part just didn't get updated since the change in the law.

Tell that to the judge....   :dunno:    :chuckle:   :yike:   :bash:
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: X-Force on October 01, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
pg 81. Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equipmentas defined by
department rule.


pg 48. Muzzleloader tag holders can hunt
only during the muzzleloader seasons
and must hunt with muzzleloader
or archery equipment. Hunting
equipment must meet regulations on
pages 76-77.

Without a doubt no one will be cited for using archery equipment in a FR area. Pg 81 is not updated to the new standard because the state is defining archery equipment as muzzleloader equipment under hunting methods and archery equipment is already allowed in FR areas.
Title: Re: Archery during muzzy season
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
Are you guys sure that it is legal to use a bow during ML season?  It used to not be legal a couple years ago.  Did they change it?  Always thought it was stupid that it was not legal as it is a "lesser" weapon, but it was not.

You can use the scope on the X-bow during Modern season, but if legal during ML, I would guess the answer would be no scope on it if you cannot use a scope on it during archery season.

Muzzleloader tag holders may only
hunt during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equip    This is from the regs regarding Firearm Restricted Areas, I am not sure why it would be different in the non-restricted areas.  So, still not legal where I live.
It seems a little unclear though if you read what loki highlighted :dunno:

I'm sure that part just didn't get updated since the change in the law.

Tell that to the judge....   :dunno:    :chuckle:   :yike:   :bash:

The hunting pamphlet is not the actual law. I wouldn't go by one inconsistency in the pamphlet.
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