Post by: Tonasketstickflinger on September 30, 2013, 07:52:40 PM
Jake
Post by: wilsongideon on September 30, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
Post by: Tonasketstickflinger on September 30, 2013, 08:05:09 PM
Post by: Worldhunter on September 30, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
But in mine: 168gr AMAX and 41.5 varget .0010 off the lans
Post by: stevemiller on September 30, 2013, 08:49:47 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on September 30, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Different in every rifle.........
But in mine: 168gr AMAX and 41.5 varget .0010 off the lans
:yeah:
That's 3/4 of the fun of reloading. Tinkering til you find what works for you!
Post by: Mike450r on September 30, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Post by: stevemiller on September 30, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 30, 2013, 09:53:16 PM
165gr partition 44gr varget is my best combo, I also like 150gr partition 46.5gr varget
Same'ish here in Ruger M77 All Weather. Not that I'd be shooting that far, but it's around an inch at 100 yards on a factory rifle.
Post by: mrolen on October 01, 2013, 02:15:05 PM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 01, 2013, 07:37:09 PM
The deference from 500 to 800 yards is huge if you are talking hunting, and a bullet that will work at 500 may not at 800.
Post by: Tonasketstickflinger on October 01, 2013, 07:42:59 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on October 01, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
Nice that's the powder I'm using with 150 gr nosler partition. 47 gr my rifle is a ruger m77 vt what's urs?
Winchester M700 factory gun with just the trigger adjusted down. I have shot out to 1000 yards with it but I think 800 yards is about max with that load for deer IMO.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 01, 2013, 08:05:30 PM
Even at a measly 600 yards going to 625 yards with the 175 VLD you lose 10".
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 01, 2013, 08:21:13 PM
175 Berger VLD. Past 500 is beyond the 308's effective hunting range for big game unless you shoot alot, like 3000-4000 rounds a year., have the ability to keep all your shots near MOA all the time at those distances. Have a quality range finder, a great drop chart, high end optics, etc.
Even at a measly 600 yards going to 625 yards with the 175 VLD you lose 10".
3-4k a year?
Really? Wow.......
Post by: wilsongideon on October 01, 2013, 08:42:08 PM
175 Berger VLD. Past 500 is beyond the 308's effective hunting range for big game unless you shoot alot, like 3000-4000 rounds a year., have the ability to keep all your shots near MOA all the time at those distances. Have a quality range finder, a great drop chart, high end optics, etc.
Even at a measly 600 yards going to 625 yards with the 175 VLD you lose 10".
I personally do not feel like 3000 shots a year is a qualifying number. I dont wanna wear out my hunting rifle and thats alot of shooting and cleaning dang. 8 shots per day. 250 shots per month wow. where did you get your data? I am not going to even embarasse myself and tell you how many times I shot my .308 this last year but I doubt it even has a 1000 rounds through it. in its 30 plus year life :chuckle: Maybe proper training on shooting technique is more valueable and can be traded for more shots? :dunno:
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 02, 2013, 07:51:50 AM
Post by: Mike450r on October 02, 2013, 08:07:41 AM
If one wants to be good enough to make a clean kill at 800 yards WITH a 308 win. You need the trigger trigger time. Education goes hand in hand with that.
I am not as big on trigger time in the sense of being able to shoot as I am on trigger time for the education factor. If you can shoot steady at one distance you should be able to shoot steady at any other. Trigger time for me is mostly so you know your particular ammo and what it does every hundred yards along with learning to read the wind and compensating for drift plays the biggest role when you get out to 800-1000 yards.
800-1000 yards is so darn far that I will shoot it at steel but I don't carry the optics with me to 1. feel good about making a kill shot and 2. be able to judge the animal to know if it is even shootable. I can get closer nearly every time or I just look for something else. I don't judge those that do but I do question whether or not they should look for the possibility of shaving a few hundred yards off the distance before putting down the bipod and taking the shot.
Post by: coachcw on October 02, 2013, 08:22:45 AM
Post by: mrolen on October 02, 2013, 08:50:34 AM
If one wants to be good enough to make a clean kill at 800 yards WITH a 308 win. You need the trigger trigger time. Education goes hand in hand with that.
True this expecially with a 308. my range card calls for 25 min of elevation for 800 yards at 850 it calls for 27.9 min of elevation, that doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for a good shot especially if you have not put 3k rounds down range and really know what that bullet will do out of that rifle.
Post by: LEN on October 02, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
LEN
Post by: Fuzzy on October 02, 2013, 11:28:19 AM
Wind for a 6.5x284 is a completely different animal than a .308!!
Post by: Ice Cap on October 02, 2013, 11:49:12 AM
Post by: Bill W on October 02, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 02, 2013, 01:39:00 PM
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the substantial decrease in bullet energy at longer distances with a .308. Can you really make a humane kill on a deer with energy dropping below 1200 or so?with the right bullet a vld take 800 lbs to perform at minimums ,
Good fundamentals and lots of trigger time for clean kills at that distance with a .308I agree but with the proper scope it makes it possible my many . sure wind angle and distance are critical but much of that is easily calculated no days .
Wind for a 6.5x284 is a completely different animal than a .308!!
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 02, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on October 02, 2013, 02:52:45 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on October 02, 2013, 10:18:02 PM