Post by: jwd7777 on October 01, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
Post by: brianmtsinc on October 01, 2013, 11:59:52 AM
I dont hunt there, but I am sure some do.... sorry for those effected :bash:
Post by: jwd7777 on October 01, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on October 01, 2013, 12:51:28 PM
Post by: jwd7777 on October 01, 2013, 01:00:11 PM
Post by: Call em in on October 01, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 01, 2013, 02:04:39 PM
Post by: gasman on October 01, 2013, 04:26:48 PM
What about those disables or unable people that can no longer recreate in these closed areas, oh, to bad for them...... Right :bdid:
Some people just don't care about others............... its all about "Me".
And yes I am :stirthepot:
Post by: turbo on October 02, 2013, 07:49:56 AM
I personally have seen snowmobilers in there in the winter chase and harass wintering elk, so closing this down will help those animals a lot IMO. While yes, its an inconvenience for many hunters who have hunted and camped up there, it will add a large roadless area to a lower shrub steppe environment, something we have very little of in this state. I think this could be a very good thing for people willing to work a little. Some great ground up that valley.
It's funny that you think closing a road will stop winter recreation. Here's a news flash for you, snowmobilers that have 1 ounce of skill only ride the roads where they have to. 99% of the riding is off road. That's where the fun is. They could close all of the roads in there and it would still get heavy use by sleds.
Anyone that thinks losing ground is good is suspect at best. IMO
Post by: Dave Workman on October 02, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
How much is the USFS spending on this "decommissioning" project? They're taking out two bridges, recycling asphalt from the road they are tearing up, pulling out a bunch of culverts, yada yada
You think that's cheap? Doesn't anybody understand they could likely fix the road with the same money?
This is just another lockout of the public from public land. We own that land!
For people who are concerned about snowmobilers harassing elk... turn the b@$tard$ in. Harassing wildlife is a crime.
I am fed up with the small fortunes being spent to "decommission" roads.
It's ACCESS people.
Post by: jwd7777 on October 02, 2013, 08:26:07 AM
Post by: brianmtsinc on October 02, 2013, 08:33:05 AM
Well, here's a question nobody here has addressed:
How much is the USFS spending on this "decommissioning" project? They're taking out two bridges, recycling asphalt from the road they are tearing up, pulling out a bunch of culverts, yada yada
You think that's cheap? Doesn't anybody understand they could likely fix the road with the same money?
This is just another lockout of the public from public land. We own that land!
For people who are concerned about snowmobilers harassing elk... turn the b@$tard$ in. Harassing wildlife is a crime.
I am fed up with the small fortunes being spent to "decommission" roads.
It's ACCESS people.
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Post by: Dave Workman on October 02, 2013, 08:39:33 AM
Good point Dave!!!!! The road is not that bad was up there a couple weeks ago.
That guy Dave tries hard to make only good points. :chuckle: This could easily be described as a public land grab by a public agency. I've hunted up there, camped, enjoyed the countryside and so forth. I have NEVER been a fan of "decommissioning" because it smacks of a greenie mentality. Keep People Out. "KPO"
I'm as cognizant of the need for good big game habitat as anybody on this forum, and maybe more than most. I'm from around here, and in this particular case, my dad graduated from Naches high school in 1940 and my grandpa was involved in building the original Naches ranger station, so I've got a bit of history with the Little Rattlesnake.
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Post by: Dave Workman on October 02, 2013, 09:43:39 AM
The little rattlesnake is a useless road as it is. Why fix it if you don't need it? I will be happy to hike in. The fishing will only get better.
I think the wildcat 1306 rd should be higher priority to open back up. That is where they log the most and it provides acsess to the se part of 356.
Well, you can hike to your heart's content. Many others are not so fortunate as to be able to hike in for a little fishing, which may not get better at all, based on personal experience with waters that have been beyond the access of many people.
Nobody's telling you that you can't hike somewhere.
And just because you think the Little Rattlesnake road is useless doesn't really make it so. There are places I'd rather not have to drive all the way around the Devil's Table to access, thank you very much.
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Post by: gasman on October 02, 2013, 12:08:19 PM
Its thinking like this that get the gvreenies what they want. Divide and concuor.
How about we start acting like humans and think of our fellow man?
Post by: logger on October 02, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Post by: turbo on October 03, 2013, 09:00:30 AM
We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.
So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?
I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...
Post by: bobcat on October 03, 2013, 09:30:29 AM
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Post by: firepin on October 03, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.
So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?
I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...
I came down 1501 Saturday, 2 rock slides now. One kinda big. Probably 4wd only now.
Post by: washelkhunter on October 03, 2013, 12:19:28 PM
Post by: Fish4Fun on October 03, 2013, 12:50:41 PM
We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.
So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?
I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...
I came down 1501 Saturday, 2 rock slides now. One kinda big. Probably 4wd only now.
Have to agree, unless your truck is lifted a little plan on the bottom of the doors hitting a few rocks on that slide. 4 door F350 Ford 4X4 made it over and a newer Chevy Crew Cab had to turn back due to no ground clearance.
Post by: fastdam on October 03, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
Post by: yakimanoob on March 01, 2017, 10:54:38 AM
Don't be angry with him, guys. He's not the one who decided to shut it down. Besides, if it makes sense economically I really don't blame the Forest service. We complain all the time about wasted money and excessive government spending, yet when they do something like this to save money in the long run, people still complain.
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Anybody have an update now that it's been closed a few years? Think it actually saved any money? Think it helped the elk? USFS just published a new topo map in 2016, and in doing some planning for summer scouting, I noticed that the latest-and-greatest map still shows little rattlesnake rd as if it's open. I guess those little road block symbols are hard to add...
Post by: lord grizzly on March 01, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
This is just another lockout of the public from public land. We own that land!
nothing said you cant still go in htat area did it? just cant drive in there. sounds like public can still access it all they want.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on March 01, 2017, 11:05:56 AM
There's a nice trail being erected by the public up it. It actually is looking kind of nice seeing the creek take over again.
Post by: arifleman on March 01, 2017, 08:13:10 PM
This is just another example of Presidential priorities filtering down through the federal depts. IIRC, the initial cost estimates for repair of this "100 year" flood damage on the 1501 rd was $50k; the cost of permanent closure and road bed removal was $500k. I have no doubt it would have been a different priority and outcome under the current administration.
Don't let your government divide us on questions of access to our hunting and recreation areas.