Post by: Huntergal on October 15, 2013, 11:19:19 PM
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Post by: Huntergal on November 20, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: woodswalker on November 20, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
You could SEE that one coming, Hancock, Weyco, now Simpson (Green Diamond), wait for Plum Ck and Pt Blakely to follow suit along with Rayonier Timberlands and the rest...pay to play is becoming the way of the landed.
Post by: janttihunter on November 20, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
Post by: Solohunter84 on November 20, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Post by: snowpack on November 20, 2013, 04:19:34 PM
$250... that's crazy.Not too far off from some of the others. Rayonier is 200, M&R I think is 250, Weyco (Pe Ell) 200.
Post by: Solohunter84 on November 20, 2013, 05:12:36 PM
Post by: MTMule on November 26, 2013, 11:31:34 AM
Post by: bmccalister on November 26, 2013, 12:07:39 PM
Here are some links to their webpage for more information.
http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/ (http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/)
http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/FAQ/Default.aspx (http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/FAQ/Default.aspx)
Post by: fireweed on November 27, 2013, 08:02:25 AM
It is not all their lands - at least not yet. It only affects their land from the road South to Hwy 108 and East to about 4 miles West of Shelton. According to the article in the Kitsap Sun news paper one of the reasons they are starting to charge people is because the state charges $30.00 and so instead of paying people use the timber land for free. Of course there are more reasons but I thought that reason was interesting.
Here are some links to their webpage for more information.
http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/ (http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/)
http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/FAQ/Default.aspx (http://www.greendiamond.com/recreation/FAQ/Default.aspx)
Homeowners already pay these big companies about $30 per year, too....in direct property tax subsidies. In fact, for me, after talking to my assessor and doing the math, I figure I pay Weyerhaeuser MORE than I pay for my local cemetery, mosquito control, and nearly as much as my fire department each time I write a check. These aren't tax breaks they are getting, but tax shifts. The counties collect the same amount that can only go up 1% per year, then they just shift that around from big timber to YOU and ME. All because of the "public benefits" of timber..... Call your state reps.
Post by: philepe on November 27, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 01, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
You get to join the Pumpkin patch on DNR and Federal lands....Rayonier already did this. They started a couple years ago. Before weyco.
You could SEE that one coming, Hancock, Weyco, now Simpson (Green Diamond), wait for Plum Ck and Pt Blakely to follow suit along with Rayonier Timberlands and the rest...pay to play is becoming the way of the landed.
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Post by: bmccalister on December 01, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
The "story" behind Texas is that the private land owners used to allow pretty much free access to large ranches. The possibility of making a buck where there wasn't one before killed free access. The difference between Texas and Washington is that those private land owners didn't have to answer to the state like the timber companies do. the change over happened darned near overnight.
Another twist to the Texas story is that 94% of the land is privately owned, unlike Washington where there is a lot of public land (both state and federal) for people to access. I lived in Texas for 5 years and it was a pain to hunt. The cheapest hunting lease I could find was $1,200 per year and most hunting leases had a waiting list. Even paying into a hunting lease didn't guarantee you would have a quality hunt. On some leases hunters had to schedule or put their name on a list of what days they wanted to hunt and what stands or blinds they would like to hunt. I sure hope Washington does not become like this.
Post by: snowpack on December 01, 2013, 10:20:16 AM
The "story" behind Texas is that the private land owners used to allow pretty much free access to large ranches. The possibility of making a buck where there wasn't one before killed free access. The difference between Texas and Washington is that those private land owners didn't have to answer to the state like the timber companies do. the change over happened darned near overnight.Part of what I've read about the Texas story is that it was the hunters not the landowners that created the lock up. It mentioned how people were generally happy with just taking deer every season and thought paying for them was nonsense and really didn't put huge value in horns. Then big buck fever took hold and people were wanting B&C/P&Y deer. The state wasn't managing deer the way the trophy hunters wanted them to, so hunters went to landowners to prevent others from hunting that private property. (Ex. on a lease you can require all deer shot be over 8 pts, if it is free/open to public you can't prevent the young bucks from being shot; under the lease system you can try to grow big trophy bucks for the future seasons) Now the individual tracts of land/herds tend to be managed by the leaseholders as long as they fall within some really basic guidelines set from the state.