Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
Has anyone ever heard of the wolves killing any of the Woodland Caribou ? Since they're on the endangered list, you'd think we'd hear something about them also and not just the elk.
Post by: crschralping on October 19, 2013, 01:47:50 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Post by: buckfvr on October 19, 2013, 01:51:57 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
As far as I know Campmeat, there are no more woodlands there. I haven't seen them in a couple years and ALL of the signs are down and the wolf signs are up.
That's kinda what I was thinking Bone. When I had chip trucks, I used to haul chips out of Riley Creek Idaho to Canada. If I remember correctly, they had signs about the caribou in the BC Customs Office at Nelway B.C. for whatever reason. That was about 6 years ago.
Post by: Expedition Scout on October 19, 2013, 02:33:06 PM
Post by: whacker1 on October 19, 2013, 02:42:59 PM
Post by: Expedition Scout on October 19, 2013, 02:51:47 PM
Post by: buckfvr on October 19, 2013, 02:53:55 PM
I had a friend last year show me a picture from the B.C. side of the border with a bull and two cows. I'm guessing that there might be some left. Interesting situation for F&W with two endangered species in the same area, at least on the Washington side. In this case, they are not going to save both! I think the Caribou are out weapon-ed in this battle.
But the wolves arent endangered in n.e. wa. or Idaho or B.C.
Post by: Expedition Scout on October 19, 2013, 03:03:47 PM
Status Date Listed Lead Region Where Listed
Endangered 01/14/1983 Pacific Region (Region 1) U.S.A. (ID, WA), Canada (that part of S.E. British Columbia bounded by the U.S.-Can. border, Columbia R., Kootenay R., Kootenay L., and Kootenai R.)
This is the current status listing that I found
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
I'm gonna call Dana Base, the WDFW biologist in Colville on Monday and see what kind of answer he gives me. I let you guys know what he says.
Dale, have you heard anything about the caribou lately ?
Post by: buckfvr on October 19, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Darn Camp..........now hes got a head start on his answer..... :chuckle:
He was showed wolf track pictures i took from about 4 years ago and he could of cared less about them. The start of lies from the WDFW over here.
Post by: Elkbow33 on October 19, 2013, 04:41:20 PM
Post by: wolfbait on October 20, 2013, 09:13:10 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
I believe the Woodland Caribou were brought up in the Okanogan wolf meeting, and a smug bio said that some of them would be eaten. WDFW promote wolves above all wildlife.
Backed by greenie monies, of course.
Post by: oldleclercrd on October 20, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on October 20, 2013, 01:53:10 PM
Oh, not so much greenie money, they are great at collecting not so good at sharing. It is your money, legally collected, not always legally dispersed.
Post by: Dan-o on October 20, 2013, 02:11:17 PM
Anybody actually seen one or have a credible reference of a sighting in the last 7-8 years?
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Post by: sled on October 21, 2013, 01:37:49 AM
As far as I know Campmeat, there are no more woodlands there. I haven't seen them in a couple years and ALL of the signs are down and the wolf signs are up.Did You Ever Get Any Pics Of Them In WA? Love To See Some If You Did.
Post by: huntnnw on October 21, 2013, 04:46:14 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 21, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
The caribou are holding on, but not doing well at all. There were 4 of them up at the WA/ID border in winter 2012, but none located last year.
Post by: Huntin Hounds on October 22, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
It basically says all the caribou spend their time on the bc side of the border. These animals spend the majority of their life in the high alpine areas where the snow is the deepest allowing them to get to their main winter food source, arboreal lichens. In my opinion unless the states of Idaho and Washington bring in more animals and start building new herds here, we will never have anything more than a token population. When you only have a few calves per year it doesn't take much predation to keep the population down.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 09:10:57 AM
Mountain Caribou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h3DhJI9iQw#)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 22, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
Post by: MLBowhunting on October 22, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
During the wolf plan process I specifically pointed out the potential impacts of wolves on the caribou to the WDFW and to the commission, they did not seem to give it much consideration. :bash:
The only answer being offered by anyone is to reduce human activity, I can't see how that mitigates the predation that is likely occurring. Unless the herd is augmented with outside animals I expect these caribou to go extinct in a few years whether they make more wilderness or not. The only way this herd can grow is to reduce most of the predation, currently no biologist and no agency including WDFW seems to be interested in doing that to save the last caribou herd in the lower 48.
Everyone seems too wrapped up in their cuddly wolves and other predators to care about caribou. :twocents:
Nice to see that calf in the video. :tup:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
You sure about that Dale?? I don't think that's the case at all. Predation is an issue that has been discussed quite a lot.
The only way this herd can grow is to reduce most of the predation, currently no biologist and no agency including WDFW seems to be interested in doing that to save the last caribou herd in the lower 48.
Everyone seems too wrapped up in their cuddly wolves and other predators to care about caribou. :twocents:
Snowmobile disruption and vehicle strikes are both serious problems too. The herd needs help- it's a shame that hunters have turned their back on this species. Originally, the sportsman groups were champions of caribou recovery, now it seems the groups are jaded. It appears that the wolf recovery drama has made hunters begin to equate wilderness and species conservation with "anti hunting".
It's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Boss- the salt/fertilizer is used as de-icer in Canada
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
Huge areas of snowmobile areas gone, areas that the caribou never use. Some of it has recently come back because it was proven through a snowmobiler funded study that proved caribou don't use those areas.
The lodges, snowmobile rentals, motels, restraunts and guides are suffering economic loss due to these caribou and the over reaction to shut down vast swathes of land on the premise that snowmobile trials will make it easier for wolves to enter caribou habitat. Yep, the trails make it easier for the wolves to access the higher forest country where the caribou live :bash:
for road strikes that's all in BC as their aren't any high speed roads in the US side of caribou habitat areas.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 09:57:01 AM
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
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It's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Hunters are also part of other user groups - who's going to support more wilderness?
predator management is the only thing you typed that makes a lick of sense.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2013, 10:01:58 AM
you can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2013, 10:02:50 AM
No, it's the only issue YOU are interested in. To make a marked difference it is going to take a suite of action.QuoteIt's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Hunters are also part of other user groups - who's going to support more wilderness?
predator management is the only thing you typed that makes a lick of sense.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:05:05 AM
I took your post as advocating more closures, are you advocating for more closures or better enforcement of already closed areas?
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
No, it's the only issue YOU are interested in. To make a marked difference it is going to take a suite of action.QuoteIt's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Hunters are also part of other user groups - who's going to support more wilderness?
predator management is the only thing you typed that makes a lick of sense.
If you want caribou then your going to have to high fence them and feed em hay
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 22, 2013, 10:13:54 AM
Or is yours to us. Go get 'em KF.... He knows not with who he sleepsyou can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:16:01 AM
you can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
Show us some pictures off your own camera Mr. ~70-90 winter days.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:16:46 AM
Or is yours to us. Go get 'em KF.... He knows not with who he sleepsyou can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
:chuckle: :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:22:47 AM
You sure about that Dale?? I don't think that's the case at all. Predation is an issue that has been discussed quite a lot.
The only way this herd can grow is to reduce most of the predation, currently no biologist and no agency including WDFW seems to be interested in doing that to save the last caribou herd in the lower 48.
Everyone seems too wrapped up in their cuddly wolves and other predators to care about caribou. :twocents:
Snowmobile disruption and vehicle strikes are both serious problems too. The herd needs help- it's a shame that hunters have turned their back on this species. Originally, the sportsman groups were champions of caribou recovery, now it seems the groups are jaded. It appears that the wolf recovery drama has made hunters begin to equate wilderness and species conservation with "anti hunting".
It's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Boss- the salt/fertilizer is used as de-icer in Canada
Wow, I think you are badly mistaken. I made a big point about the caribou during the wolf plan process and from what I could see, biologists, the WDFW, and the Commission largely sidestepped the caribou issue in favor of putting more wolves on the landscape. Please prove me wrong I would love to have more faith in our agency and biologists.
I cannot see much public display of concern by any biologist or WDFW concerning predation on any specie. The concern seems to be to protect predators of all species and there appears to be little concern about the game herds.
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
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The concern seems to be to protect predators of all species and there appears to be little concern about the game herds.
I don't think that has varied much in the agenda or in any of their plans for past years, but even more pronounced now with wolves.
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 10:35:23 AM
Snowmobile'rs are pretty well organized as they've been under attack from human powered winter sports activists for a long time, if they weren't they'd have never gotten Priest lake area back open.
I still have yet, in 5+ years seen ANY evidence that snowmobiles are crossing paths with the Caribou. No one has been able to provide that.
Post by: Huntin Hounds on October 22, 2013, 11:55:22 AM
KFhunter- I'm sure you have not seen any sign of the caribou because the only herds that exist occupy habitat in Canada. We have great habitat for them here on our side too but there are no caribou to repopulate.
Look at it like the wolf reintroduction. Wolves were coming back to the lower 48 already prior to '95. There were already established packs in Montana. The wolves in north Idaho and Washington came from Canada not central Idaho. I know this because they had multiple packs in unit 1 in Idaho before we had packs in unit 4. The lookout pack migrated from Canada as well which is why they were the first documented pack in Washington. After putting wolves in multiple locations over 2 years they started separate populations which eventually connected making one large population. I believe this is what needs to happen with the caribou if we realistically want to see their population rebound.
That's how I see it. Just as Dale and KFhunter said we also need to knock the predator pop down for several years at a minimum(which is not going to happen with Washington). We need leg hold traps for the wolves and hounds for the cats. No one is going to like this idea but white tailed deer pops need to be reduced also as they are the main food source for predators in the area. More deer = More predators.
There is no way to get the green necks and the hunters to agree on how to bring them back, so they will go extinct.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 22, 2013, 11:58:38 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2013, 12:19:01 PM
I can show you. I have been on the caribou flight the last two winters. There were snowmobile tracks in the closure areas both years. We found caribou the winter before last, about 10 miles south of the Border.you can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
Show us some pictures off your own camera Mr. ~70-90 winter days.
I don't want more closures. I want enforcement of the closed areas and the unused (by caribou) portions to be re opened to snowmobiles.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 22, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
The only real evidence is in the wolf plan. Something to the effect of "if any threatened ungluate population shows a decline for # yrs the department will implement management activities for wolf populations in the area"You sure about that Dale?? I don't think that's the case at all. Predation is an issue that has been discussed quite a lot.
The only way this herd can grow is to reduce most of the predation, currently no biologist and no agency including WDFW seems to be interested in doing that to save the last caribou herd in the lower 48.
Everyone seems too wrapped up in their cuddly wolves and other predators to care about caribou. :twocents:
Snowmobile disruption and vehicle strikes are both serious problems too. The herd needs help- it's a shame that hunters have turned their back on this species. Originally, the sportsman groups were champions of caribou recovery, now it seems the groups are jaded. It appears that the wolf recovery drama has made hunters begin to equate wilderness and species conservation with "anti hunting".
It's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Boss- the salt/fertilizer is used as de-icer in Canada
Wow, I think you are badly mistaken. I made a big point about the caribou during the wolf plan process and from what I could see, biologists, the WDFW, and the Commission largely sidestepped the caribou issue in favor of putting more wolves on the landscape. Please prove me wrong I would love to have more faith in our agency and biologists.
I cannot see much public display of concern by any biologist or WDFW concerning predation on any specie. The concern seems to be to protect predators of all species and there appears to be little concern about the game herds.
It was in the plan. I'm not sure of the specifics of it, but we might be close to meeting that requirement now?
Post by: KFhunter on October 22, 2013, 02:13:05 PM
I can show you. I have been on the caribou flight the last two winters. There were snowmobile tracks in the closure areas both years. We found caribou the winter before last, about 10 miles south of the Border.you can't snowmobile where the caribou are, it's been shut down for 5 years or so - both on BC and US side.
I used to snowmobile in that general area, never came across any caribou as they tend to stick to the trees and snowmobiles like the higher more open areas. regardless it's shut off.
The more I digest your post the more irritated I get at the blatant ignorance of it.
Your irritation isn't a concern to me.
I spend ~70-90 winter days every year in that country for work and for hunting. There are very few caribou and there are still quite a few snowmobiles using the landscape.
The closure area is probably larger than it needs to be. A well organized push to get some back might gain leverage IF (big IF) the snowmobiles could stay away from the areas that the caribou still frequent.
Show us some pictures off your own camera Mr. ~70-90 winter days.
I don't want more closures. I want enforcement of the closed areas and the unused (by caribou) portions to be re opened to snowmobiles.
I don't think we have an argument then, I freaked out a bit at your first post as it sounded like to me you wanted more closure.
I think I probably speak for many when I say we need reasonable closures that actually contribute to keeping caribou safe. I realize snowmobile tracks are like wolf highways and needs to be a factor in keeping access to the high country harder for the wolves by omitting tracks.
If the caribou only come inside the US for 10 miles then the closure would be pretty easy to maintain in those specific regions - no need to close all the way down to Priest Lake as was done in a knee jerk closure. It stank of ulterior motives. (wilderness). In the long run closures do more to harm endangered species by loosing public's support - like the spotted owl and caribou.
If you have pics please share.
I'm all for increased enforcement for closed riding areas, this is one of the worst enemies to keeping areas open.
Also, are you sure those tracks weren't from a bio or enforcement? border patrol? Could there be a legit reason?
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
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Did You Ever Get Any Pics Of Them In WA? Love To See Some If You Did.
Yes, but have no clue.....you know, 30,000+ pics a year for 20+ years, film thru digital :chuckle: I'll see what I can find.
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 11:38:05 AM
Post by: hntrspud on October 23, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
Might want to check your sources.
Agreed. Do you know for sure huntin hounds? I only ask because I grew up about ten miles from one of the wolf reintroduction facilities and know that they released them in central Idaho. The lolo heard did not get decimated from wolves that migrated from Canada. It was from the local that they introduced. Up north yes, I can see what you mean. Down south more may be another issue however.
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
The only real evidence is in the wolf plan. Something to the effect of "if any threatened ungluate population shows a decline for # yrs the department will implement management activities for wolf populations in the area"You sure about that Dale?? I don't think that's the case at all. Predation is an issue that has been discussed quite a lot.
The only way this herd can grow is to reduce most of the predation, currently no biologist and no agency including WDFW seems to be interested in doing that to save the last caribou herd in the lower 48.
Everyone seems too wrapped up in their cuddly wolves and other predators to care about caribou. :twocents:
Snowmobile disruption and vehicle strikes are both serious problems too. The herd needs help- it's a shame that hunters have turned their back on this species. Originally, the sportsman groups were champions of caribou recovery, now it seems the groups are jaded. It appears that the wolf recovery drama has made hunters begin to equate wilderness and species conservation with "anti hunting".
It's sad really- this species is likely to be extirpated and hunters (the ONE group that used to support species recovery) is going to standby and watch it happen because they are too afraid to take a difficult postition on wilderness, access issues (there are issues), predator management, and to think outside the box on highway stike protection.
Boss- the salt/fertilizer is used as de-icer in Canada
Wow, I think you are badly mistaken. I made a big point about the caribou during the wolf plan process and from what I could see, biologists, the WDFW, and the Commission largely sidestepped the caribou issue in favor of putting more wolves on the landscape. Please prove me wrong I would love to have more faith in our agency and biologists.
I cannot see much public display of concern by any biologist or WDFW concerning predation on any specie. The concern seems to be to protect predators of all species and there appears to be little concern about the game herds.
It was in the plan. I'm not sure of the specifics of it, but we might be close to meeting that requirement now?
And at the Colville wolf meeting this spring myself and others questioned WDFW specifically about that provision in the plan and they basically said they would have to study the effects first. The audience laughed at WDFW multiple times for their poor presentation and even poorer responses, definitely the worst excuse of a dog and pony show I've ever seen. :chuckle:
Post by: Huntin Hounds on October 23, 2013, 07:02:45 PM
I think we have a miscommunication. I don't I think I explained my position very well. I was only referring to the wolves in unit 1 as coming from Canada. I would say all the wolves south of lake Pend Orielle came from the wolves put in central Idaho in '95 and '96.
The Lolo is a perfect storm. You have wolves from northwest Montana growing in population and moving south and you have wolves from central Idaho rapidly expanding north. The Lolo is in my opinion where the two populations came together and expanded the population well above the carrying capacity of the area. I hope that explains my thoughts on that subject.
I think the caribou could benefit from a reintroduction similar to the wolf deal. If the wdfw and idfg would put a couple herds of 20+ animals in each state in different drainage's over a couple years and they might get the population to come back.
Post by: KFhunter on October 23, 2013, 07:17:17 PM
HNTRSPUD and Skyvalhunter,
I think we have a miscommunication. I don't I think I explained my position very well. I was only referring to the wolves in unit 1 as coming from Canada. I would say all the wolves south of lake Pend Orielle came from the wolves put in central Idaho in '95 and '96.
The Lolo is a perfect storm. You have wolves from northwest Montana growing in population and moving south and you have wolves from central Idaho rapidly expanding north. The Lolo is in my opinion where the two populations came together and expanded the population well above the carrying capacity of the area. I hope that explains my thoughts on that subject.
I think the caribou could benefit from a reintroduction similar to the wolf deal. If the wdfw and idfg would put a couple herds of 20+ animals in each state in different drainage's over a couple years and they might get the population to come back.
I think you'd be feeding the wolves their preferred diet, they've adapted to Elk but Caribou on the other hand is their ancestral diet!
Post by: huntnnw on October 24, 2013, 02:55:55 AM
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Post by: jgrimes on October 24, 2013, 08:08:25 PM
this was found in WA this year
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The story behind how he found the shed makes the find even more memorable. If he was a member I'm sure he'd tell it.
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Post by: boneaddict on October 31, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Post by: supagoose on October 31, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
:chuckle:Are you laughing at me or With me? >:( that encounter with USFS wasn't even that bad. About 3-4 years back my cousin and I were hunting up by Metaline Falls. We both were rifle deer hunting. We both had hiked in about 3 miles on a closed road. as the sun came up we saw group of mulie does feeding out in the open so we sat and watched hoping there was a buck nearby. We weren't in the area to long when a pack of wolves started howling right below the deer and scattering them off of course. We've heard coyotes before and these weren't coyotes right away we could tell they were wolves because if they were coyotes they would be the only coyote who's balls have dropped. It was like someone putting a recording of a pack wolves howling on loud speakers. We don't think they weren't more the 100yds below us but we couldn't see them because they were beyond the clearing in the brush and slope of the mountain. We tried to get into better positions to have a better look but we just couldn't see them. They howled for maybe 30min and from the howling we both think there had to be at least 4 or 5. We continued hunting and we ran into a local and told him what happened and he told us the day before he had seen six run across the face of the mountain that we were on. When we got back to camp we ran into the forest service lady doing her rounds checking camp sites and handing out brochures. We told her what happen only to have her laugh at us. She said that Washington doesn't have wolves and that they were only in Idaho and wouldn't cross over. She told us that what we encountered were just coyotes. Then she decided that since we were idiots she should describe what a deer, elk, and caribou looked like to us so we wouldn't shoot the wrong animal. By putting her hand up to her head making shapes of antlers with her hands and fingers :rolleyes:. I've told WDFW about it but its the same thing nope those were coyotes.
Post by: KFhunter on October 31, 2013, 11:19:01 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 01, 2013, 06:15:58 PM