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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: OnHoPr on October 19, 2013, 01:58:38 PM

Title: Conicals
Post by: OnHoPr on October 19, 2013, 01:58:38 PM: Do any of you use conicals in muzzle loader season with the iron sights? Lee REALS, maxi's, mini's, buffalo's and the sort is what I referring to since they can be very productive at iron sight ranges. Not once have I heard of a bullet failure with the big lead conicals.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Sabotloader on October 19, 2013, 03:18:31 PM: Quote from: OnHoPr on October 19, 2013, 01:58:38 PM
Do any of you use conicals in muzzle loader season with the iron sights? Lee REALS, maxi's, mini's, buffalo's and the sort is what I referring to since they can be very productive at iron sight ranges. Not once have I heard of a bullet failure with the big lead conicals.

I use 460 grain Bull Shops - since we are required to shoot lead full bore conicals for ml season in Idaho...

They may loose some weight but they certainly do not blow up...

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2F460grBullShop.jpg&hash=b9ceeacb0129b0c11ac90fd25cd9d77c2338b9ab) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/460grBullShop.jpg.html)

But then again, there are several regular bullets out there that will not blow up either...
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 19, 2013, 03:23:29 PM: I hunt with 425 grn maxi balls, and have never had any kind of failure. Even at 100 yards I get great expansion and a complete pass through with a large exit wound " which I prefer". Never have to worry about lack of blood trail.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM: Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 21, 2013, 07:08:12 AM: Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:

and bring some identification when you buy it :chuckle:

My dad uses buffalo conicals during MZ hunts and they certainly put the smack down.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Sabotloader on October 21, 2013, 07:48:06 AM: Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:

Think I will stick with the NASA lube that Bull Shop Dan uses... it is good stuff and the only bore conditioner I need is the stuff from Montana X-Treme which is synthetic... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Sabotloader on October 21, 2013, 07:49:30 AM: Quote from: Jonathan_S on October 21, 2013, 07:08:12 AM
Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:

and bring some identification when you buy it :chuckle:

My dad uses buffalo conicals during MZ hunts and they certainly put the smack down.

Buffalo's are excellent conicals... They use to be widely available but seem to be harder to find these days...
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:46:10 PM: Quote from: Sabotloader on October 21, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:

Think I will stick with the NASA lube that Bull Shop Dan uses... it is good stuff and the only bore conditioner I need is the stuff from Montana X-Treme which is synthetic... :chuckle:

Of course you know i was kidding about the bore butter. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Sabotloader on October 21, 2013, 07:19:04 PM: Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Sabotloader on October 21, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: kerrdog on October 21, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
Hey Sabotloader,

Make sure you grease those bullets up with some bore butter. As a side benefit, it will season the bore on that Ultralight for you. :chuckle:

Think I will stick with the NASA lube that Bull Shop Dan uses... it is good stuff and the only bore conditioner I need is the stuff from Montana X-Treme which is synthetic... :chuckle:

Of course you know i was kidding about the bore butter. :chuckle:

yabut!!!it is fun to play along :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: OnHoPr on October 22, 2013, 02:22:35 PM: That bullshops 460 gr looks pretty good, basically a 50 cal semi wad cutter. Have you noticed the terminal performance in the different styles or weights of bullet or is it just the particular style of bullet, powder, lube combination that you found in YOUR gun that shot accurately? Most all of them are just basically 45, 50, 54, and 58 cal big hunks of soft alloy lead, but they do have different BC's for greater range. Greater range being defined in 25 yard increments in accordance with drop and wind.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: kerrdog on October 22, 2013, 03:28:40 PM: I'd shoot big chunks of lead if I could (They just make sense)....but my wife...she don't want lead in the meat. :bdid:

So I shoot the largest heaviest copper or brass bullets I can find. :tup: No expansion on the copper bullet this year, but the bull fell where he stood.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: Kowsrule30 on October 23, 2013, 07:49:09 AM: Use to use the 420 grain Great Plains... And 375, 425 grain Maxi Balls... Never a problem....
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on October 24, 2013, 08:00:11 AM: I use .451 in 460 grain from Daves No Excuses. Looks identical to that Bull Shop, just longer.
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: jeepster on November 22, 2013, 03:13:30 AM: Do you need a special kind of muzzy to shoot conicals?

Can I shoot em out of my Kentucky 50....?

I've always just used 100 grains of 777 and a round ball w/ a musket cap.... I've been wanting to try out conicals/mini balls....

Late season opener is next week :whoo:
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: oneshot12 on November 22, 2013, 11:42:23 AM: you just want to be sure its a 1in 48 twist other wise you will not have very good accuracy .
Title: Re: Conicals
Post by: duckmen1 on November 22, 2013, 12:07:00 PM: I've seen one animal shot with the 275 gr maxi hunter. Broadside deer 60 yards and it hit a rib going in and deflected. Only getting one longe and going into guts. Seen two animals shot with 320 gr maxi balls and had mixed results. Deer broadside perfect pass through at about 50 yards broadside. An elk at about 75 yards hit rib and deflected pretty bad forward on the body. So my experience seems to show go heavier for elk than we tested and 320 min on deer to not get deflections on these bullets.