Post by: sakoshooter on October 28, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
Post by: huntnnw on October 28, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on October 28, 2013, 10:44:54 PM
Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering!
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
What kind of rig do you have sakoshooter?
Post by: Wazukie on October 28, 2013, 10:47:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 28, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
So what are the best chains to get and where do you buy them?
Post by: sakoshooter on October 28, 2013, 11:26:11 PM
Silverado PU. Why do you ask?Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering!
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
What kind of rig do you have sakoshooter?
Bobcat, check out chains at Les Schwaab. Reasonably priced and good chains. No cable chains unless you just want to drive on the blacktop.
Post by: bowguy on October 29, 2013, 06:14:20 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 29, 2013, 06:31:22 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 29, 2013, 06:41:05 AM
They won't come off no matter how hard you drive them in mud or snow.
I like the fact that I can install and forget about them.
If I remember right they were around $80.00/pair.
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Post by: gasman on October 29, 2013, 06:45:49 AM
I carry two sets with me in the Barbie Jeep and one set in the tow rig. And I have done my share of winch out 50K trucks that were stuck in the ditch :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on October 29, 2013, 06:48:09 AM
I use these Campbell Cam-Lock chains on Toyo M/T tires.:yeah: and the chains with the cleats on them kick arse, the only thing that will stop you then is high centering :chuckle:
They won't come off no matter how hard you drive them in mud or snow.
I like the fact that I can install and forget about them.
If I remember right they were around $80.00/pair.
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Post by: scout/sniper on October 29, 2013, 06:50:11 AM
I had cleats on mine until I hit the concrete.I use these Campbell Cam-Lock chains on Toyo M/T tires.:yeah: and the chains with the cleats on them kick arse, the only thing that will stop you then is high centering :chuckle:
They won't come off no matter how hard you drive them in mud or snow.
I like the fact that I can install and forget about them.
If I remember right they were around $80.00/pair.
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It doesn't take far to chew them up on the hardball.
I almost forgot....I use hog-rings to secure the loose ends.
Post by: jackmaster on October 29, 2013, 07:00:32 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 29, 2013, 07:33:11 AM
Post by: Wazukie on October 29, 2013, 08:37:24 AM
Post by: seth30 on October 29, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
:yeah:Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering!
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
What kind of rig do you have sakoshooter?
Post by: Bookworm007 on October 29, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on October 29, 2013, 09:33:51 AM
....................and uphill vehicles have the right of way. :tup:
:chuckle:
Post by: LndShrk on October 29, 2013, 09:37:36 AM
I just air down, lock and go. I can not count how many times I've been out wheeling in the snow, only to find some guy who wanted to take his family out in the snow for the day, or is out looking for a Christmas tree and they are stuck in the snow. We air them down and they drive right out.
This is true but when on the logging roads etc one has much more control with chains. I don't "Need" chains to get where I want to go but I will use them as they make it that much better.
Post by: 300rum on October 29, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
Have them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.
So what are the best chains to get and where do you buy them?
Post by: bobcat on October 29, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
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Have them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.
You mean just to be sure they fit?
Post by: LndShrk on October 29, 2013, 09:56:01 AM
1st, check your owners manual. For instance, my GMC specifically says "no chains". I do however have LS cable chains as they are the lowest profile chains that I could find. The problem is the inside of the tire and all the brake line stuff that they can/will catch on and tear off. The cable chain will give you the most room but it isn't a guarantee.
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
Have them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.So what are the best chains to get and where do you buy them?
Thule makes some that will work for the low riders.
Thule Premium Self-Tensioning
Warning.. They will cost nearly as much as a new rifle. :)
Post by: 300rum on October 29, 2013, 11:02:31 AM
I called LS corporate office and asked for the "chain expert". I was kind of surprised when they patched me into someone immediately. I don't know the guys name but I at least felt like he knew what he was talking about.
I took the truck to a couple of other shops and they were ready to sell me whatever I wanted. I called "tirechains.com" and they weren't very helpful either, more then willing to sell me what I wanted instead of what I needed.
The LS cable chains sit higher on the side wall of the tire compared to the "V" bar tire chains and regular style chains. They give you a little more room on the inside which is what counts.
QuoteHave them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.
You mean just to be sure they fit?
Post by: 300rum on October 29, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
1st, check your owners manual. For instance, my GMC specifically says "no chains". I do however have LS cable chains as they are the lowest profile chains that I could find. The problem is the inside of the tire and all the brake line stuff that they can/will catch on and tear off. The cable chain will give you the most room but it isn't a guarantee.
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
Have them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.So what are the best chains to get and where do you buy them?
Thule makes some that will work for the low riders.
Thule Premium Self-Tensioning
Warning.. They will cost nearly as much as a new rifle. :)
Post by: DRobnsn on October 29, 2013, 11:52:29 AM
Silverado PU. Why do you ask?Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering!
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
What kind of rig do you have sakoshooter?
Bobcat, check out chains at Les Schwaab. Reasonably priced and good chains. No cable chains unless you just want to drive on the blacktop.
I was curious, I had read on another thread about the GM chain fitment issues that are posted in this thread now. I haven't looked into chains for my truck its a 2012 Toyota Tacoma but I have to imagine it has some issues with fitment as well. The upper a arm is very close to the tire as well as some other components.
I think I'll just stick with airing down anyway.
Post by: LndShrk on October 29, 2013, 11:54:07 AM
It isn't being a "low-rider" that's the problem, there is plenty of room for any chain in the wheel well from the top of the tire to the body of the wheel well. The problem with the chains is that the Brake control's are too close to the tire, especially when turning. Maybe that's what you mean though?1st, check your owners manual. For instance, my GMC specifically says "no chains". I do however have LS cable chains as they are the lowest profile chains that I could find. The problem is the inside of the tire and all the brake line stuff that they can/will catch on and tear off. The cable chain will give you the most room but it isn't a guarantee.
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
Have them put the truck on the lift and put the chains on. They won't like it but have them do it anyway.So what are the best chains to get and where do you buy them?
Thule makes some that will work for the low riders.
Thule Premium Self-Tensioning
Warning.. They will cost nearly as much as a new rifle. :)
Yes.. that is what I meant low clearance in the back. The Thules do not go around the back of the tire.. :tup:
Post by: 300rum on October 29, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
http://www.etrailer.com/Tire-Chains/Thule/TH02230K12.html?feed=npn&gclid=CLOj-9DcvLoCFc41Qgodg0gAHQ (http://www.etrailer.com/Tire-Chains/Thule/TH02230K12.html?feed=npn&gclid=CLOj-9DcvLoCFc41Qgodg0gAHQ)
I think I will go aheand and buy them if they are.
Post by: 300rum on October 29, 2013, 12:00:40 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 29, 2013, 12:10:36 PM
Always chain the front first, if the camper is not on the truck. If the camper is on it, front and rear get chained up.
Dual chains for the rear, square link, are the way to go.
Post by: LndShrk on October 29, 2013, 12:17:40 PM
Do you actually own the Thules? Have you used them in the Mountains?
Yes your link is them.
No I do not own them. My Tundra can fit normal chains.
I have contemplated them for the wives car but I usually end up just driving her in the truck. :tup:
Post by: Special T on October 29, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
I second putting them on in the dry driveway before you NEED to... Practice makes everything easier, especially when you get to do it once in ideal conditions. :twocents:
3 rail chains work awesome on dually rigs. Mine is moslty a pavement pounder so i only have singles to get me over the pass.
Post by: sakoshooter on October 29, 2013, 01:57:26 PM
Airing down is a good way to achieve more traction but is also hard on tires as it exposes the side walls to road hazards and does not even come close to the traction and control of chains.
Post by: Special T on October 29, 2013, 02:06:17 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on October 29, 2013, 03:09:06 PM
Zip ties, Bailing wire, or some kind of small clevis also work well for securing the loose end. Also make sure that the chain tail is moving in the correct direction. As the tire rolls forward you want the chain tail to be in the opposite direction of the rotation. I personally put the chains on drive 100 ft then tighten. the D cam locks wrk great because they reduce eliminate that step. correct tension on link chains is EVERYTHING! too tight extra wear and possible damage to the tires, too loose they will spin and/or wipe stuff out.Good info Special T. I always pull ahead a ways and double check.
Another thing that hasn't been mentioned that I just thought of is that whichever link you put the adjuster into on the inside is the same link you'll need to put it into on the outside. Make them tight and even. Then attach your tighteners(bungees etc)if required. Most tire chains DO require some sort of tensioning system on the outside.
And, it's a lot easier to put them on prior to getting stuck in the middle of the rd or worse.
Post by: buglebuster on October 29, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Post by: gasman on October 29, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
I have a question. I have a set of chains for my old truck I never used, my new truck has a little bigger tires on it and the chains dont quite fit. Can I add links to them to make them fit?
Yes, if you have the correct link/chains to add.
I have an old set I dismantled to have spare links, in case some break.
There is a tool out there specifically designed to work on tire chains but I cant find it any place and have not seen them in years :dunno:
Post by: sakoshooter on October 29, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
I have a question. I have a set of chains for my old truck I never used, my new truck has a little bigger tires on it and the chains dont quite fit. Can I add links to them to make them fit?
Yes again. There are repair links available for purchase for repairing broken chains and remodeling. If you bought them from Les Schwaab, you can return them unused or get a credit toward the proper size. Always good to have a couple repair links to go along with the chains just in case.
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2013, 07:29:44 PM
Post by: buglebuster on October 29, 2013, 08:34:56 PM
you want tall narrow "pizza cutter" tires anywaysNot in snow!
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 29, 2013, 08:38:19 PM
I have a question. I have a set of chains for my old truck I never used, my new truck has a little bigger tires on it and the chains dont quite fit. Can I add links to them to make them fit?
Yes, if you have the correct link/chains to add.
I have an old set I dismantled to have spare links, in case some break.
There is a tool out there specifically designed to work on tire chains but I cant find it any place and have not seen them in years :dunno:
http://www.tirechain.com/g-tire-chain-pliers-7305.htm?gclid=CIGW2PLQvboCFSjZQgodB3QAAg (http://www.tirechain.com/g-tire-chain-pliers-7305.htm?gclid=CIGW2PLQvboCFSjZQgodB3QAAg)
Post by: Lingcod on October 29, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
you want tall narrow "pizza cutter" tires anywaysNot in snow!
huh?
enlighten me please, I gotta hear this.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2013, 09:52:35 PM
Post by: buglebuster on October 29, 2013, 09:53:32 PM
You dont want narrow tires in snow plain and simple. Wide tall tires are the way to go. The trick is to stay on top of the snow and not dig in, the second you start to dig in you are screwed. With narrow tires the weight of the rig isnt displaced over as large of area so you sink. I have spent lots, and lots of time snow wheeling in 5ft + snow and the key is wide, tall, aired down tires.you want tall narrow "pizza cutter" tires anywaysNot in snow!
huh?
enlighten me please, I gotta hear this.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2013, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: buglebuster on October 29, 2013, 09:56:37 PM
Post by: Special T on October 29, 2013, 09:56:53 PM
I have a question. I have a set of chains for my old truck I never used, my new truck has a little bigger tires on it and the chains dont quite fit. Can I add links to them to make them fit?
Yes, if you have the correct link/chains to add.
I have an old set I dismantled to have spare links, in case some break.
There is a tool out there specifically designed to work on tire chains but I cant find it any place and have not seen them in years :dunno:
Any commercial tire shop that sells truck tires should have the pliers. they are mostly used for replacing the cross chain that goes between the tire and road the only way to add links it to cut and weld with the pliers you can shorten the chain not lengthen it.
Post by: jackelope on October 29, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
Same concept, snow is snow.
Disagree respectfully. The last thing I want is to be floating/skiing/sliding around on big wide tires. Get the pizza cutters dug in on solid ground and go.
Post by: JLS on October 29, 2013, 09:59:34 PM
Same concept, snow is snow.
It sure is, but when you're traveling a forest service road that is rutted and drifted, you're going to have a pretty hard time staying on top of the snow.
Post by: huntnnw on October 29, 2013, 10:00:12 PM
Post by: buglebuster on October 29, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
snow is not snow - there's so many different types of snow and snow conditions - all varied throught the day with temps and sunshine.
The only consistant way to travel through snow is to chew down through it. If you have a big fat tire then your chains will have to work that much harder to move the snow out of the way to hit the dirt, then your surface area will be bigger and you'll get less bite. Over here with hood deep powder snow, which you can get over night your big fatty tires are going to try to float and ride up on the snow, your tires will hop and you'll have to back out of it or destroy your drive train.
Post by: KFhunter on October 29, 2013, 11:33:15 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 29, 2013, 11:55:01 PM
Post by: Huntergal on October 30, 2013, 12:44:59 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 30, 2013, 01:50:01 AM
Same concept, snow is snow.
Disagree respectfully. The last thing I want is to be floating/skiing/sliding around on big wide tires. Get the pizza cutters dug in on solid ground and go.
You got it. More surface area turns your tires into skis. Not good. Especially if the snow turns into packed ice from log trucks driving over it.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 30, 2013, 01:52:36 AM
http://www.lesschwab.com/road_cam.html (http://www.lesschwab.com/road_cam.html)
Post by: jackelope on October 30, 2013, 07:22:32 AM
If your in a lightweight rock crawler or toyota, yes a big fat tire aired down can get you to float - until the snow turns to mashed potatoes with sunshine.
snow is not snow - there's so many different types of snow and snow conditions - all varied throught the day with temps and sunshine.
The only consistant way to travel through snow is to chew down through it. If you have a big fat tire then your chains will have to work that much harder to move the snow out of the way to hit the dirt, then your surface area will be bigger and you'll get less bite. Over here with hood deep powder snow, which you can get over night your big fatty tires are going to try to float and ride up on the snow, your tires will hop and you'll have to back out of it or destroy your drive train.
This...
Post by: JLS on October 30, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
Post by: BsB on October 30, 2013, 07:44:18 AM
So what width tires are you guys considering wide, and what do you consider pizza cutters?pizza cutter to me would be tires 9.5" and narrower, wide would be 10.5" or bigger for a pickup.
I never bothered with chains in my wheeler, it was hard enough finding chains for a 14.5" wide tire not to mention when I aired down to 4PSI the tire would easily hit 16" wide.
Cruising around on ~4ft of spring snow base.
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Post by: Special T on October 30, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
Post by: KFhunter on October 30, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
We're talking early season snow where your just as likely to run on 6 inches of slush as back ice or a foot of powder or wet snow. Those meats aren't going to do well in that.
Post by: Buckmark on October 30, 2013, 04:37:41 PM
BsB I don't disagree with how your wheeler does on spring snow, but what you're doing is a whole different ball o' wax.:yeah:
We're talking early season snow where your just as likely to run on 6 inches of slush as back ice or a foot of powder or wet snow. Those meats aren't going to do well in that.
Spring snow is what we called when snowmobiling as "Expert" or "Hero" snow as you could look like an expert and go anywhere...new fesh snow is a whole different ball game and throw in melt then freeze ice and oh boy i dont care if your tires are 4ft wide.....sledding anyone.. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on October 30, 2013, 04:40:23 PM
cascade concrete :chuckle:
I avoid that stuff and ride Canada 90% of the time. You don't have to go all the way to Revy to find epic snow!
Post by: gasman on October 30, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
Fact.......Less foot print for traction, when you talk about cutting down to the ground for trsctio, you are more likely to be high cenered and will plow more snow with your Differential.
I have used both wide and narrow tires, in early and spring snow and narrow tires suck in both cases.......PERIOD
Post by: buglebuster on October 30, 2013, 06:52:04 PM
Few things you guys keep forgetting about narrow tires.':yeah: finally someone on the same page as me :chuckle:
Fact.......Less foot print for traction, when you talk about cutting down to the ground for trsctio, you are more likely to be high cenered and will plow more snow with your Differential.
I have used both wide and narrow tires, in early and spring snow and narrow tires suck in both cases.......PERIOD
Post by: sakoshooter on October 30, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Few things you guys keep forgetting about narrow tires.'
Fact.......Less foot print for traction, when you talk about cutting down to the ground for trsctio, you are more likely to be high cenered and will plow more snow with your Differential.
I have used both wide and narrow tires, in early and spring snow and narrow tires suck in both cases.......PERIOD
Darn funny that most folks back home(northern WI)run snow tires. Either year round or have a set for winter and a road tire set for summer. All those snow tires are narrow and aggressive with open tread that wraps around the tire's circumference rather than sideways tread that clogs and turns into slicks.
I remember my bro buying a lifted 4WD Chev PU with fat tires and wheels when I got out of the service back in the late 70's. We ran into town for some beer and couldn't get back up the road to the house cuz of about 8" of wet snow. While we were trying to figure it out my Dad came home from work in his Olds Cutlass with snow tires on the back and drove right around us and up into the driveway without even spinning a tire. My bro took his truck into town the next day and had standard wheels and snow tires installed.
There's a reason snow tires are not wide.
But if you insist on running those fat tires without chains, buy a good quality tow chain or nylon strap so those of us w/chained up tires can pull you out when you're sideways in the rd. LOL.
Post by: gasman on October 30, 2013, 07:44:34 PM
Few things you guys keep forgetting about narrow tires.'
Fact.......Less foot print for traction, when you talk about cutting down to the ground for trsctio, you are more likely to be high cenered and will plow more snow with your Differential.
I have used both wide and narrow tires, in early and spring snow and narrow tires suck in both cases.......PERIOD
Darn funny that most folks back home(northern WI)run snow tires. Either year round or have a set for winter and a road tire set for summer. All those snow tires are narrow and aggressive with open tread that wraps around the tire's circumference rather than sideways tread that clogs and turns into slicks.
I remember my bro buying a lifted Chev PU with fat tires and wheels when I got out of the service back in the late 70's. We ran into town for some beer and couldn't get back up the road to the house cuz of about 8" of wet snow. While we were trying to figure it out my Dad came home from work in his Olds Cutlass with snow tires on the back and drove right around us and up into the driveway without even spinning a tire. My bro took his truck into town the next day and had standard wheels and snow tires installed.
There's a reason snow tires are not wide.
But if you insist on running those fat tires without chains, buy a good quality tow chain or nylon strap so those of us w/chained up tires can pull you out when you're sideways in the rd. LOL.
Snow tires are designed for on road use, we are disusing off road or logging road use, big difference.
You can keep your skinny tire up hunting and I will pull you out when you get high centered in the deep snow. I will be the one in the Barbie Jeep with the air down 33" tires. I may even have chains on if its icy :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on October 30, 2013, 08:26:23 PM
Snow tires are designed for on road use, we are disusing off road or logging road use, big difference.
You can keep your skinny tire up hunting and I will pull you out when you get high centered in the deep snow. I will be the one in the Barbie Jeep with the air down 33" tires. I may even have chains on if its icy :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Where did you read this? In an off road magazine tire add? Off road is exactly what I'm talking about.
Few years ago my hunting partner followed me w/chains on all 4 pulling a utility trailer over Lone Frank Pass in the northern Cascades at the end of rifle deer season. The pass back then was darn rough and a narrow single lane but it was also drifted over by about 2 - 3' of snow. I had snow coming over the hood most of the way up and the utility trailer was acting like the bill on a deep diving crankbait as it swayed all over the place behind me. I broke trail since my partner didn't have chains. My 4WD Chev PU and his 4WD Ford PU. High centered doesn't matter when you dig down thru it to solid ground. It's still just as steep but has been widened out so 2 vehicles can pass each other.
Maybe we'll just agree to disagree Gasman cuz you can pull me out any time. I have been stuck before and I'm sure it won't be the last time.
Post by: KFhunter on October 30, 2013, 08:29:44 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 30, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
wide tires suck on ice and snow! Narrow agressive tires will out perform hands down
Exactly.............fat, wide tires are horrible in the snow and ice.
Post by: mallard79 on October 30, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 31, 2013, 06:01:09 AM
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Post by: Dan-o on November 01, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
You just go as far as you can go, and eventually you get stuck. It's not that big a deal. Someone will usually come along shortly and pull you out because they need to get by.
Post by: LndShrk on November 01, 2013, 10:42:48 AM
If your in a lightweight rock crawler or toyota, yes a big fat tire aired down can get you to float - until the snow turns to mashed potatoes with sunshine.
snow is not snow - there's so many different types of snow and snow conditions - all varied throught the day with temps and sunshine.
The only consistant way to travel through snow is to chew down through it. If you have a big fat tire then your chains will have to work that much harder to move the snow out of the way to hit the dirt, then your surface area will be bigger and you'll get less bite. Over here with hood deep powder snow, which you can get over night your big fatty tires are going to try to float and ride up on the snow, your tires will hop and you'll have to back out of it or destroy your drive train.
Not necessarily the case. Tread will go along ways to grab snow. and more importantly will be ones differential. Digging into deep snow often leads to being high centered. Staying ontop is not a bad thing at all. :tup:
Post by: Special T on November 01, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on November 01, 2013, 05:41:08 PM
As for pulling someone out, I'll do it every time but to venture forth without knowing someone will pull you out is pretty selfish thinking when you're talking about public roads. Most hunters are not up there to tow, they're up there to hunt.
Post by: DRobnsn on November 01, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
IMO tire width is dependent on conditions. Tires are application specific and do better when in the proper conditions. Large trucks, half ton and larger won't float on snow no matter how wide a tire you get them they are just too heavy. so tall skinny tires are a must to keep traction, that also means they won't go places a light Toyota with 14 in wide aired down balloon tires will go. Skinny vs wide is just a rule of thumb not a hard fast rule. I know plenty of people with light rigs (including myself) that run pizza cutters in really deep snow, but its on the west side and once it hits the 2.5' mark were kinda screwed. Same rigs with tall wide balloons aired down are almost unstopable.
While for the most part I agree I will say this. About 4 years ago give or take, I was Elk hunting the Trout lake area and we got a good blast of snow over night and into the next morning. I've never seen so many stuck rigs they were everywhere. So much so we had spent most of the morning driving around people hunting was pretty much a bust by the time we got to our spot. So I decided why not just see how far I can go. I had a 91 reg cab Toyota with 31 10.50 cooper mud tires aired down to 6psi in rear and 9psi in front. So we head up as high as we could within a reasonable amount of time. We ended up on about 5' of snow, we decided to turn around and head back since we hadn't seen anyone for over an hour, when up over the hill comes a 3rd gen Dodge Cummins Mega cab with 37 12.5 mud tires, toyo's I believe. We stop and bs for a minute I said wow I'm surprised to see that up here he says yeah I'm aired down about as far as I can go but it's doing pretty well. We both went our separate ways. Now I know he couldn't just drive right off the road anywhere he wanted like I could but it can be done in a full size to an extent. BTW I did pull out one guy in a Durango he was grateful. I offered to pull out others but most weren't having it, they said no I'll put on my chains or my buddy is on his way. I said okay and let them sit in the middle of the road while I drove around them in the ditch. :chuckle:
Post by: buglebuster on November 01, 2013, 08:53:45 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 01, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
No one can rescue you when you sink, and odds are very bad that once you've sunk you'll be able to get back on top.
You think a tow truck is going to get back there to save you?
Post by: DRobnsn on November 01, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
Ask pretty much any snowmobiler around how many abandoned rigs they've come across that thought they were hotchit floating on the snow a few miles back.
No one can rescue you when you sink, and odds are very bad that once you've sunk you'll be able to get back on top.
You think a tow truck is going to get back there to save you?
I typically don't go it alone, the trout lake trip was an exception. I always carry a high lift and with a spare tire or chunk of wood or whatever to keep the jack from sinking you can lift it out of the holes and push it over on high ground. A couple years back I went up by walupt lake late in the snow season with the same truck mentioned earlier had a friend in a Jeep following. The snow was total crap all different kinds of layers, aired down we made it into 6' plus deep snow it wasn't easy but we did it. I ended up sinking a fair amount but with a shovel, high lift and a tug from the jeep I got right back on top. Yes anything can happen but being prepared helps allot. On that trip I had less than 3lbs of air in my tires no beadlocks.
Post by: KFhunter on November 01, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
So for west coast guys driving over the mountains for a week of late season hunting it's not so wise to come over on I-90 with a set of 38" mudders. Those tall low profile "mudders" are the worst!
The prudent thing to do is run highway skinny snow tires and have snow chains, unless you really mess up you'll always be able to claw your way back out. No you aren't going to dance across the snow like gutted out toyota on aired down ballons, but you'll be safer on the highways and maybe not slide over on a 2 lane road because you hit an inch of slush and kill someone's wife.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 01, 2013, 10:22:19 PM
About 16-18 yrs ago my son, buddy's and I were camped up the 1701 rd in the Umtanum. L at the Y and camped on the L at the next Y just before the steep climb up to Canteen Flats I believe it's called. About a foot of fresh snow when we got here for modern elk. About a day in it snowed another foot. It warmed enough during the day that the sun would melt it enough that the 1701 coming down from the top was a bobsled track and everyone up there was coming down but they were doing it with chains on their campers with the trailer brakes locked up. Basically dragging them down very slowly. The area we were camped in turned into a chain up and chain off spot for a couple of days. Very dangerous under those conditions without chains. Same year I spoke with two guys that lost control of their Toyota PU because they didn't have chains coming down from the look out and lost it on the sharp R turn half way down. Truck went a couple hundred yds before hitting some trees.
Something else to consider is that you can leave your chains on when driving on dirt roads if you're going to get right back into the snow. Just go slow.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 01, 2013, 10:28:20 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on November 01, 2013, 10:57:09 PM
1/2 jake to keep the tires rolling, 5 lbs air on the trailer brake - gotta keep the tires rolling....gaining speed, good thing I went off the top at a crawl. too much jake RPM the drivers locking up.. don't jake stall the engine! pick up a gear - still gaining speed almost off the slide - tires rolling? good - trailer locked up crap! less air less air, good they're rolling again - too much speed, can't stop now
"truck 18 in the beaver slide!"
"truck 5 we're pulled over at the 11"
almost down, too fast but we got some mud now, slush was filling up the chains but mud is little better, still slimy and thick though - more jake 8 lbs air on the trailer drag - stab the main brakes a little whew we're droppin speed looks like we'll make the corner
"truck 18 off the slide - cleanin out the britches"
"hehe - she's getting slick huh"
:chuckle: love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didin't sako start this thread out talking about leaving camp and driving halfway into the woods to get out of the ruts so someone could pass? My impression wasn't highway ice snow conditions it was off pavement deepish snow and ice at slow speeds?
Post by: KFhunter on November 01, 2013, 10:59:11 PM
"truck 18 at the 12 mile, starting down off the beaver slide"
1/2 jake to keep the tires rolling, 5 lbs air on the trailer brake - gotta keep the tires rolling....gaining speed, good thing I went off the top at a crawl. too much jake RPM the drivers locking up.. don't jake stall the engine! pick up a gear - still gaining speed almost off the slide - tires rolling? good - trailer locked up crap! less air less air, good they're rolling again - too much speed, can't stop now
"truck 18 in the beaver slide!"
"truck 5 we're pulled over at the 11"
almost down, too fast but we got some mud now, slush was filling up the chains but mud is little better, still slimy and thick though - more jake 8 lbs air on the trailer drag - stab the main brakes a little whew we're droppin speed looks like we'll make the corner
"truck 18 off the slide - cleanin out the britches"
"hehe - she's getting slick huh"
:chuckle: love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didin't sako start this thread out talking about leaving camp and driving halfway into the woods to get out of the ruts so someone could pass? My impression wasn't highway ice snow conditions it was off pavement deepish snow and ice at slow speeds?
I was going to rewrite that 'cause I didn't think it made much since unless you knew what I was talking about :chuckle:
Post by: DRobnsn on November 01, 2013, 11:11:33 PM
"truck 18 at the 12 mile, starting down off the beaver slide"
1/2 jake to keep the tires rolling, 5 lbs air on the trailer brake - gotta keep the tires rolling....gaining speed, good thing I went off the top at a crawl. too much jake RPM the drivers locking up.. don't jake stall the engine! pick up a gear - still gaining speed almost off the slide - tires rolling? good - trailer locked up crap! less air less air, good they're rolling again - too much speed, can't stop now
"truck 18 in the beaver slide!"
"truck 5 we're pulled over at the 11"
almost down, too fast but we got some mud now, slush was filling up the chains but mud is little better, still slimy and thick though - more jake 8 lbs air on the trailer drag - stab the main brakes a little whew we're droppin speed looks like we'll make the corner
"truck 18 off the slide - cleanin out the britches"
"hehe - she's getting slick huh"
:chuckle: love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didin't sako start this thread out talking about leaving camp and driving halfway into the woods to get out of the ruts so someone could pass? My impression wasn't highway ice snow conditions it was off pavement deepish snow and ice at slow speeds?
I was going to rewrite that 'cause I didn't think it made much since unless you knew what I was talking about :chuckle:
No need to rewrite it. I've driven a few trucks in my day but nothing like that! I rode with my grandpa in his log truck years ago, loved every minute of it!
Post by: sakoshooter on November 03, 2013, 10:55:15 AM
Post by: YoterHunter on November 08, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: gaddy on November 08, 2013, 11:42:38 AM
That reminds me, if any one knows this guy he needs to get ahold of his ins before this goes any further.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 08, 2013, 06:03:42 PM
sure wish the guy from Dayton that came down the icy grade on the 46 rd last season & smashed into my pu (that my bro from NC was driving) with his Toyota was wearing chains. maybe he could of slowed down & made the corner. some of these tires will go like he!! but wont stop for crap.
That reminds me, if any one knows this guy he needs to get ahold of his ins before this goes any further.
Sorry to hear about your bad luck. Hope it gets straightened out soon.
Two years ago late archery elk I followed a jeep down the 1611 rd that didn't have chains. He couldn't control it so he kept the drivers side tires in the uphill ditch and still had a heck of a time.
Post by: Special T on November 10, 2013, 06:24:13 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 10, 2013, 07:20:19 AM
1st, check your owners manual. For instance, my GMC specifically says "no chains". I do however have LS cable chains as they are the lowest profile chains that I could find. The problem is the inside of the tire and all the brake line stuff that they can/will catch on and tear off. The cable chain will give you the most room but it isn't a guarantee.
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
My Toyota manual says no chains on the front.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on November 10, 2013, 08:09:55 AM
"truck 18 at the 12 mile, starting down off the beaver slide"
1/2 jake to keep the tires rolling, 5 lbs air on the trailer brake - gotta keep the tires rolling....gaining speed, good thing I went off the top at a crawl. too much jake RPM the drivers locking up.. don't jake stall the engine! pick up a gear - still gaining speed almost off the slide - tires rolling? good - trailer locked up crap! less air less air, good they're rolling again - too much speed, can't stop now
"truck 18 in the beaver slide!"
"truck 5 we're pulled over at the 11"
almost down, too fast but we got some mud now, slush was filling up the chains but mud is little better, still slimy and thick though - more jake 8 lbs air on the trailer drag - stab the main brakes a little whew we're droppin speed looks like we'll make the corner
"truck 18 off the slide - cleanin out the britches"
"hehe - she's getting slick huh"
:chuckle: love it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didin't sako start this thread out talking about leaving camp and driving halfway into the woods to get out of the ruts so someone could pass? My impression wasn't highway ice snow conditions it was off pavement deepish snow and ice at slow speeds?
I was going to rewrite that 'cause I didn't think it made much since unless you knew what I was talking about :chuckle:
No need to rewrite it. I've driven a few trucks in my day but nothing like that! I rode with my grandpa in his log truck years ago, loved every minute of it!
Been there done that..... And then we are smart enough to go back and do it again , and again , and again........ :tup:
Post by: sakoshooter on November 10, 2013, 10:07:59 AM
1st, check your owners manual. For instance, my GMC specifically says "no chains". I do however have LS cable chains as they are the lowest profile chains that I could find. The problem is the inside of the tire and all the brake line stuff that they can/will catch on and tear off. The cable chain will give you the most room but it isn't a guarantee.
The rear tires have the most "room". On the fronts, I can put them on and drive pretty much straight but much turning at all can get me in trouble.
My Toyota manual says no chains on the front.
I believe you guys on the owners manuals stating 'no chains' but it's hard to fathom a truck built strictly for the blacktop. "No Chains"??? Who would design a truck like that? And why? Is this fact discussed at sale time? Do they sell these models in the northern Midwest where chains are the norm in winter? Many of the guys where I'm from in northern WI put a plow on their trucks come winter and don't even take their chains off for a couple months.
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 10, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on November 22, 2013, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: rtspring on November 22, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
Ive drove up to ravens roost with 4 feet of snow on the road!!!
Air down , go slow !!! Tall, fat, wide, skinny?? It dont matter, ive used both! Yes on my 50,000 dollar truck and the 500.00 dodge d-50..
I now drive my second tacoma Ive ever owned and it will climb anything around, snow or no snow!!!!
Rtspring
Post by: MLBowhunting on November 22, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
Post by: steen on November 22, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 22, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
Read this before going on our hunt, took chains, didn't use them. A pair of hunters went up a road in the snow and had to be towed $500 later. We figured if you need chains to get up there you shouldn't be there. Use them to get out of trouble not to get into trouble.
I would sort of agree with you. We have used chains to bust down and get through snow the day of or after it falls, creating a driveable way in and out of our hunt area.... then not used chains again for the hunt.
Then there was about 5 years ago above wright meadow.... Snowed like a mutha'.... chains were on the menu for sure.
A foolish man leaves chains at home because he is so awesome at driving in snow.
Post by: DRobnsn on November 23, 2013, 12:18:35 PM
Thought I'd comment on last weekend's snow storm. According to the WSDOT, chains were required last Friday on I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass. I heard this on KOMO News a fews times last Fri afternoon. Funny, they never said big tires required or fat tires required nor did they ever say that real low pressure tires required. Just good ol fashioned chains.
Yeah I really liked the part when the news crew was trying to help a couple get unstuck in the AWD Lexus they were driving. Stuck in 2 inches of snow on the shoulder in an AWD, REALLY PEOPLE!!!! Then the guy with the lowered s10 with a quad in back, just holding the go pedal to the floor hmmm I wonder why it won't move. :rolleyes:
That is the reason chains are required its the only band aide the DOT can come up with to keep bad drivers from running into each other and getting stuck :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on November 23, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
Post by: Wazukie on November 23, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
Post by: JLS on November 23, 2013, 01:47:02 PM
What some of you folks may not be taking into consideration is not just snow, but the ice that can come with it. When I was younger, smarter, and braver, I made it over a pass in Montana without chaining up. Boy, was I cool. Then, I started down the other side. I hit a shaded north slope where the roadway was covered in about an inch of glare ice, topped off with several inches of fresh snow. I tapped the brakes and instantly became a two ton bobsled.
When I finally got stopped and pulled the seat out of my clenched butt, I put on my chains. I had to wear ice cleats on my boots to keep from falling. Even with the chains, it was a white knuckle affair getting down the next two miles. Without chains I would have certainly wrecked, or left my truck there to block the road for the next poor soul who had to cope with my stupidity.
There are not many occasions when I have truly NEEDED chains. In the times you do, you'll either be thanking the Good Lord Jesus you have them, or praying to Him because you don't.
YMMV. :)
Post by: Wazukie on November 23, 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on November 23, 2013, 02:30:36 PM
Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering! You might also need some bungee cords to hold the chains tight so check this out before leaving for camp folks.
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
Sako could you clarify what your talking about here? To me it sounds like your talking about OFF HIGHWAY situations am I correct?
Post by: snowpack on November 23, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on November 23, 2013, 06:03:57 PM
Just a heads up to all you late season hunters. Please take your tire chains with you hunting. Also, make sure they fit your tires. If you only have one set and you drive a 4WD, put them on the front. Better yet, put chains on all 4 tires. Traction and steering! You might also need some bungee cords to hold the chains tight so check this out before leaving for camp folks.
I'm going to air my opinion now before this years late archery elk frustrations. I am darn tired of having to drive out of the ruts and part way into the woods every time a truck comes down the rd with no chains. A $50,000.00 truck with another $10,000.00 in over size tires & wheels, shocks and lift etc but can't afford chains??? Just stupid. Be considerate of everyone else out there and be prepared. If you can't afford chains, hike from camp. DO NOT drive down the middle of the road expecting everyone else to pull over for you. :twocents: :bash:
Thank You for reading.
Sako could you clarify what your talking about here? To me it sounds like your talking about OFF HIGHWAY situations am I correct?
Off blacktop driving.
Two years ago, late archery elk season in the Nile, I(chained up all 4) was driving up the 1601 to a spot for the afternoon hunt in the usual compact snow/ice and was very tired of driving into the woods or ditch to allow all the non-chained trucks to pass since most of them couldn't get out of the icy ruts running down the middle of the roads. Here comes another full size lifted truck with over size tires and wheels on it coming down. I stop in the middle of the road till he pulls over since he had two wide spots in front of him to pull into on his side and I have none. He passes both and runs right up to my bumper. I roll down the window and ask what the hell he's doing and he says; "You've got the chains, move over". Nice. Seems to be the mentality of many so I thought I'd make a simple post on here just to remind folks to bring their chains. Watching trucks without chains turn their wheels without it making a bit of difference in those icy ruts is why they're needed. And to prevent an accident.
Post by: PolarBear on November 23, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 23, 2013, 06:55:08 PM
I didn't realize there was machismo in not ever needing chains, thanks RT for sharing that with me.
What some of you folks may not be taking into consideration is not just snow, but the ice that can come with it. When I was younger, smarter, and braver, I made it over a pass in Montana without chaining up. Boy, was I cool. Then, I started down the other side. I hit a shaded north slope where the roadway was covered in about an inch of glare ice, topped off with several inches of fresh snow. I tapped the brakes and instantly became a two ton bobsled.
When I finally got stopped and pulled the seat out of my clenched butt, I put on my chains. I had to wear ice cleats on my boots to keep from falling. Even with the chains, it was a white knuckle affair getting down the next two miles. Without chains I would have certainly wrecked, or left my truck there to block the road for the next poor soul who had to cope with my stupidity.
There are not many occasions when I have truly NEEDED chains. In the times you do, you'll either be thanking the Good Lord Jesus you have them, or praying to Him because you don't.
YMMV. :)
Excellent point.
Years ago after snowshoeing around the Table Mountain area, we began to slide down a steep section of pure ice. When I finally got it stopped, my wife had to sit and hold the brakes while I chained up. In park, the rear tires would not hold the rig. You had to hold all four tires to keep from sliding.
Just about pooped my pants on that one. Kids slept happy in back not knowing what was going on...
Always bring chains!
Post by: rtspring on November 23, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
I didn't realize there was machismo in not ever needing chains, thanks RT for sharing that with me.
What some of you folks may not be taking into consideration is not just snow, but the ice that can come with it. When I was younger, smarter, and braver, I made it over a pass in Montana without chaining up. Boy, was I cool. Then, I started down the other side. I hit a shaded north slope where the roadway was covered in about an inch of glare ice, topped off with several inches of fresh snow. I tapped the brakes and instantly became a two ton bobsled.
When I finally got stopped and pulled the seat out of my clenched butt, I put on my chains. I had to wear ice cleats on my boots to keep from falling. Even with the chains, it was a white knuckle affair getting down the next two miles. Without chains I would have certainly wrecked, or left my truck there to block the road for the next poor soul who had to cope with my stupidity.
There are not many occasions when I have truly NEEDED chains. In the times you do, you'll either be thanking the Good Lord Jesus you have them, or praying to Him because you don't.
YMMV. :)
Excellent point.
Years ago after snowshoeing around the Table Mountain area, we began to slide down a steep section of pure ice. When I finally got it stopped, my wife had to sit and hold the brakes while I chained up. In park, the rear tires would not hold the rig. You had to hold all four tires to keep from sliding.
Just about pooped my pants on that one. Kids slept happy in back not knowing what was going on...
Always bring chains!
Machismo??? Ha ha ha ha :chuckle: :chuckle:
Everyones answer is! Throw some chains on that thing!! Nope, not needed! Did you read my post or just the part that I was talking about being macho???
I would type it out again but I doubt you would get it the second time..
Thanks for sharing machismo with me..
Post by: PolarBear on November 23, 2013, 07:12:20 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 23, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
You have never been stuck in the back country?
Post by: rtspring on November 23, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
RT, why the big hatred of chains? You can use them in heavy mud, or do you never ever get stuck? They could be used to give you the extra traction to save some one else...
You have never been stuck in the back country?
Nope, I was taught by my great uncle to drive in snow and ice in a 1/2 ton two wheel drive truck.. Loaded it down and we hunted anywhere we wanted to go.. I have been in the chit before where everyone was chaining up. But I never did.. I think your driving is more beneficial than the chains. I live in eastern washington and drive on ice all the time. ( this morning included). Never used them ever.
Not saying they aren't helpful but they are not magic either, you still need to know how to drive.
Would I use them ever? Probably not.. And I have came down and went up cabbage hill when that thing was nasty as ever. Guess I was just taught a diffrent way..
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 23, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.RT, why the big hatred of chains? You can use them in heavy mud, or do you never ever get stuck? They could be used to give you the extra traction to save some one else...
You have never been stuck in the back country?
Nope, I was taught by my great uncle to drive in snow and ice in a 1/2 ton two wheel drive truck.. Loaded it down and we hunted anywhere we wanted to go.. I have been in the chit before where everyone was chaining up. But I never did.. I think your driving is more beneficial than the chains. I live in eastern washington and drive on ice all the time. ( this morning included). Never used them ever.
Not saying they aren't helpful but they are not magic either, you still need to know how to drive.
Would I use them ever? Probably not.. And I have came down and went up cabbage hill when that thing was nasty as ever. Guess I was just taught a diffrent way..
Post by: Rick on November 23, 2013, 07:51:16 PM
RT, why the big hatred of chains?
Consider the source.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 23, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
The big misconception.... "Wider is always better"...given equal tire pressure/tire height and same vehicle a 12.5 inch tire and a 14.5 inch tire will have practically the same footprint area...the narrower tire will have a longer footprint while the wider tire will have a shorter footprint....what all this means is that under some conditions a narrower tire will perform better and other conditions a wider tire will perform better... but ultimately the contact patch is going to be the same when equal height tires are aired down on the same vehicle.
Get yourself a rig that can handle 41" Irok radials and you will go just about anywhere you would want to go.
Post by: JLS on November 23, 2013, 08:18:16 PM
I didn't realize there was machismo in not ever needing chains, thanks RT for sharing that with me.
What some of you folks may not be taking into consideration is not just snow, but the ice that can come with it. When I was younger, smarter, and braver, I made it over a pass in Montana without chaining up. Boy, was I cool. Then, I started down the other side. I hit a shaded north slope where the roadway was covered in about an inch of glare ice, topped off with several inches of fresh snow. I tapped the brakes and instantly became a two ton bobsled.
When I finally got stopped and pulled the seat out of my clenched butt, I put on my chains. I had to wear ice cleats on my boots to keep from falling. Even with the chains, it was a white knuckle affair getting down the next two miles. Without chains I would have certainly wrecked, or left my truck there to block the road for the next poor soul who had to cope with my stupidity.
There are not many occasions when I have truly NEEDED chains. In the times you do, you'll either be thanking the Good Lord Jesus you have them, or praying to Him because you don't.
YMMV. :)
Excellent point.
Years ago after snowshoeing around the Table Mountain area, we began to slide down a steep section of pure ice. When I finally got it stopped, my wife had to sit and hold the brakes while I chained up. In park, the rear tires would not hold the rig. You had to hold all four tires to keep from sliding.
Just about pooped my pants on that one. Kids slept happy in back not knowing what was going on...
Always bring chains!
Machismo??? Ha ha ha ha :chuckle: :chuckle:
Everyones answer is! Throw some chains on that thing!! Nope, not needed! Did you read my post or just the part that I was talking about being macho???
I would type it out again but I doubt you would get it the second time..
Thanks for sharing machismo with me..
I get it. I drive as much snow and ice as anybody, and there simply are times when airing down and going slow aren't going to help you. As I said, there are times when chains are an absolute must.
I'm not talking a band-aid for poor driving skills, I'm talking getting you off the mountain without sliding off a cliff.
To scoff at people for using them is silly. I'd rather someone put them on and not crash as to NOT use them because they read it on Hunt WA and they pile up and hurt themselves and/or someone else.
Post by: JLS on November 23, 2013, 08:20:19 PM
Different tires perform better or worse under various snow conditions.. there is not "best" but there are certainly some characteristics to look for if you are going to roll without chains.........If you are looking for a good off highway tire for the snow the most important qualities are Radial and Siped.
I have been very pleased with siped Goodyear Duratracs.
Post by: Wazukie on November 23, 2013, 08:22:11 PM
Get yourself a rig that can handle 41" Irok radials and you will go just about anywhere you would want to go.
:yeah: This exactly why I said that chains do no good if your belly is on the ground.
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 23, 2013, 08:22:38 PM
Post by: TONTO on November 23, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
Post by: Wazukie on November 23, 2013, 08:55:24 PM
What's the Mailman run?
A good set of all weather radials on his Mercury.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 23, 2013, 09:28:26 PM
Chains saved my ass from going to the bottom of Mclaughlin canyon last year, If any of you guys know where thats at put the chains on BEFORE going up there! :chuckle: I always have 4 chains, tarp, shovel, tow strap, when im in the mountains! The seasoned mountain hunters know what to have in the truck..
I have stock sized all terrains on my Tacoma. If I air down it does great but I do carry (and almost always use) chains..actually two full sets of chains, a couple tow straps, a couple tow chains, two heavy duty come alongs and an axe or a chainsaw.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 24, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
[/quote]I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
[/quote]
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2013, 11:44:13 AM
Chains saved my ass from going to the bottom of Mclaughlin canyon last year, If any of you guys know where thats at put the chains on BEFORE going up there! :chuckle: I always have 4 chains, tarp, shovel, tow strap, when im in the mountains! The seasoned mountain hunters know what to have in the truck..
I have stock sized all terrains on my Tacoma. If I air down it does great but I do carry (and almost always use) chains..actually two full sets of chains, a couple tow straps, a couple tow chains, two heavy duty come alongs and an axe or a chainsaw.
If you had dedicated studded snow tires you'd be amazed at the difference, I had a Tacoma years ago with dedicated siped snow tires w studs and it's shocking where they'll go bare foot - especialy with lower air pressure :o
Post by: DRobnsn on November 24, 2013, 11:50:18 AM
Chains saved my ass from going to the bottom of Mclaughlin canyon last year, If any of you guys know where thats at put the chains on BEFORE going up there! :chuckle: I always have 4 chains, tarp, shovel, tow strap, when im in the mountains! The seasoned mountain hunters know what to have in the truck..
I have stock sized all terrains on my Tacoma. If I air down it does great but I do carry (and almost always use) chains..actually two full sets of chains, a couple tow straps, a couple tow chains, two heavy duty come alongs and an axe or a chainsaw.
If you had dedicated studded snow tires you'd be amazed at the difference, I had a Tacoma years ago with dedicated siped snow tires w studs and it's shocking where they'll go bare foot - especialy with lower air pressure :o
Just curious guys which years of Tacoma's your referring to?
Thanks for the clarification sako.
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 24, 2013, 12:27:40 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 24, 2013, 02:39:57 PM
I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
[/quote]
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
[/quote]Grew up in the northeast corner. We really did not use chains even when we plowed with our trucks. We always had weight in the back of the truck. When we went on the lake no one had chains but we did have snowmobiles alright. I left MN in 87'. I remember having some crazy snow storms.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 24, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
I have an 05 tundra, 265/70/17's and I have the les schaub diamond track chaines. I really like them, easy to put on!
That is what I use too... works great.
Post by: KFhunter on November 24, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
[/quote]Grew up in the northeast corner. We really did not use chains even when we plowed with our trucks. We always had weight in the back of the truck. When we went on the lake no one had chains but we did have snowmobiles alright. I left MN in 87'. I remember having some crazy snow storms.
[/quote]
I think those winters of old are on the way back - with a vengeance!
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 24, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
Grew up in the northeast corner. We really did not use chains even when we plowed with our trucks. We always had weight in the back of the truck. When we went on the lake no one had chains but we did have snowmobiles alright. I left MN in 87'. I remember having some crazy snow storms.I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
[/quote]
I think those winters of old are on the way back - with a vengeance!
[/quote]Those storms are going south though going through the central part of the state. My family is still up north they still are dealing with the cold during winter.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 24, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on November 24, 2013, 10:34:21 PM
I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I just remembered something else, LOL, My dad(and most everyone else)even had chains on his snow blower.
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 25, 2013, 05:30:20 AM
You know I have seen that before.I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I just remembered something else, LOL, My dad(and most everyone else)even had chains on his snow blower.
Post by: Elkrunner on November 26, 2013, 04:46:57 PM
In additon, know how to put them on ahead of time. Be sure they are on correctly and not upside down. Impropperly mounted chaons can cause you bigger headache then stuck in the snow.
I carry two sets with me in the Barbie Jeep and one set in the tow rig. And I have done my share of winch out 50K trucks that were stuck in the ditch :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have to know how to put them on? why would I do that, I'm just going to sit there in the snow in my tennis shoes and sweat pants and wait for the Barbie jeep to come by
Post by: gasman on November 26, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
In additon, know how to put them on ahead of time. Be sure they are on correctly and not upside down. Impropperly mounted chaons can cause you bigger headache then stuck in the snow.
I carry two sets with me in the Barbie Jeep and one set in the tow rig. And I have done my share of winch out 50K trucks that were stuck in the ditch :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have to know how to put them on? why would I do that, I'm just going to sit there in the snow in my tennis shoes and sweat pants and wait for the Barbie jeep to come by
Just be sure you got beer :brew:
Post by: KFhunter on November 26, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 26, 2013, 05:25:39 PM
Grew up in the northeast corner. We really did not use chains even when we plowed with our trucks. We always had weight in the back of the truck. When we went on the lake no one had chains but we did have snowmobiles alright. I left MN in 87'. I remember having some crazy snow storms.I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
I think those winters of old are on the way back - with a vengeance!
[/quote]Those storms are going south though going through the central part of the state. My family is still up north they still are dealing with the cold during winter.
[/quote]
When I left MN in 99 they were illegal, as in could not be used on roads, studs to. They tore up the roads when it's that cold for that long. Learn to drive or stay home was the saying.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 27, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
Those storms are going south though going through the central part of the state. My family is still up north they still are dealing with the cold during winter.Grew up in the northeast corner. We really did not use chains even when we plowed with our trucks. We always had weight in the back of the truck. When we went on the lake no one had chains but we did have snowmobiles alright. I left MN in 87'. I remember having some crazy snow storms.I agree. I grew up in Minnesota and drove on plenty of ice and snow. Even on frozen lakes. I didn't even know you put chains on tires until I was in the Navy in California. Went to South Lake Tahoe over the weekend and a big storm was blowing in. I got stopped at the bottom of the hill by CHP asking if I had chains and I told him what are chains I am from Minnesota. He let me go. As I was driving the mountains I had people going in the ditch all around me. Slow and easy best way to drive on snow and ice.
Russ,
I'm not sure where you're from in MN but where I'm from in northern WI, the mail jeeps wore chains on all 4 much of the winter, ALL city & county plow/sand/salt trucks wore chains on their duals, many privately owned PU guys ran them on their trucks because they plowed parking lots etc and my Dad and Grandpa and all his buddies that we deer hunted and ice fished with ALL had chains and used them quit often in the winter to access different areas especially lakes off the black top. Most of these rds weren't plowed at all so we usually had to shovel the snow bank away to start in on the rd off the main rd. We put the chains on the rigs on the shoulder of the main rd and crossed our fingers we'd make it all the way back into the boat launch otherwise we'd have to pack all our gear to the lake.
I can remember a few times when snowmobiles were legal to drive on the rds cuz the sno plows couldn't keep up. No one went any place in those conditions unless they had chains or a snowmobile.
They don't seem to get the bad winters like that any more. Not even the large amounts of snow either.
The weather was drier and colder and most times you could get traction in that snow but you never left your chains at home.
We also didn't see the surprise snow storms that we can see here in the mountains while hunting late seasons dumping huge amounts over night. And drastic weather changes where cold and snow warm up and melt then freeze every night creating a dangerous mess unless you never leave camp.
I think those winters of old are on the way back - with a vengeance!
[/quote]
When I left MN in 99 they were illegal, as in could not be used on roads, studs to. They tore up the roads when it's that cold for that long. Learn to drive or stay home was the saying.
[/quote]
Agreed - learn to drive or stay home.
The point of this thread though is about driving on bad roads w/snow in the mountains, not on pavement in flat country.