Post by: jmwaide on October 31, 2013, 04:04:56 PM
Post by: hillbilli on November 04, 2013, 10:18:40 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on November 05, 2013, 04:18:56 AM
Post by: Bill W on November 05, 2013, 05:50:17 AM
Post by: Jeeper on November 05, 2013, 06:49:04 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 05, 2013, 08:07:08 AM
Post by: jmwaide on November 06, 2013, 04:17:46 PM
did you check the round count on the box? most of the times i've seen .22 hornet, they seem to come in 50 round boxes, that'd explain the high cost.No I didn't check. I thought about that right after I left, but it still seemed a little spendy.
I have a 12" 22 Hornet barrel for my TC Contender. My favorite to shoot! Most accurate Contender barrel I have. Crazy at a buck a round though. Very cheap to reload. I use 'Lil Gun' powder and 35 or 40 grain V Max.I reload a little bit. I haven't reloaded a lot though. I'm just now getting into it.
I have a .22 Hornet and used it over the years on rockchucks and coyotes. It's a good short range (150 yards and under) coyote gun and doesn't mess up any fur. I bought my first one (Model 43 Winchester) in 1967 for $57.I did a little research. The .22 hornet is a winchester model 54. I looked up the serial number and it was made in 1934. Really cool!
Post by: Bill W on November 06, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
I did a little research. The .22 hornet is a winchester model 54. I looked up the serial number and it was made in 1934. Really cool!
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Let's hope your Model 54 is not "bubba'd" and as manufactured. It's a collector rifle.
Post by: porcupine on November 06, 2013, 06:35:04 PM
Post by: Bill W on November 07, 2013, 09:01:23 AM
My dad did have a .223 diameter Hornet and the one I bought was a Model 43 which was a .224 diameter. His was a Savage 219 if I remember correctly, heavy target barrel and an oval chamber. We took it back once we discovered the oval chamber as it buggered up cases.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 07, 2013, 09:14:32 AM
Post by: Don Fischer on November 07, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 07, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
Seem's to me, converting to a K Hornet would be the way to go. Doesn't going with the K Hornet gige a shoulder to headspace on rather than the rim?
No, It just blows the shoulder out to increase the powder capacity. Seems to make the case last a bit longer for reloading, too. The conversion is a simple matter, too. Just a few turns by hand with a K-reamer, and it's done. Got to be careful to get the right length on the shoulder. I have a fired case from a buddy's K-Hornet to gage the shoulder. Oddly, there is no brass in K-Hornet available. You get the brass by firing standard Hornet ammo in the K chamber. Reloading dies in K-Hornet are available. You also need a #22 shell holder for the small case head. I did some research on the K-Hornet, and found that there have been 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years, the most recent in 1954. The reamer I got is the one Cooper uses in his custom guns. I think my gun is an old one, with a .223 bore, and I determined that the twist is 1 in 16, making it not much of a tack driver, but a good truck gun. I'd love to get a more modern Hornet and K it, or just get a gun chambered in K-Hornet. (I think Ruger Chambers a gun in K-Hornet.) Sorry for the rambling post...
P.S. Shooting Hornet ammo in a K chamber doesn't seem to bother accuracy!
Post by: Bill W on November 08, 2013, 07:33:07 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 08, 2013, 08:33:44 AM
Post by: Bill W on November 08, 2013, 08:38:09 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 08, 2013, 09:35:24 AM
The manufacturers lessen the shoulder angle from the Ackley's to aid in manufacture. At one time there was a .25 Hornet out there as a wildcat. I believe it was called the Copperhead.
Yup. Ruger built a Blackhawk pistol to shoot it at one time. There was also a K version wildcat called the .255 Banshee. The copperhead looked to be pretty close to a straight case!
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 08, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
The other one I got rid of at the same time was a S&W .22 Jet, now that thing was a monster !! .22 from a necked down .357 case..
Amazing the things they do with .22 caliber.
Post by: jmwaide on November 08, 2013, 06:38:58 PM
I did a little research. The .22 hornet is a winchester model 54. I looked up the serial number and it was made in 1934. Really cool!
Let's hope your Model 54 is not "bubba'd" and as manufactured. It's a collector rifle.
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How would you tell if it was? There is a nice scope mounted on it. I heard that they didn't have scope mounts originally but there wasn't any open sights either.
Both .223 and .224 diameter Hornet bullets used to be available. Based on what I've learned shooting cast bullets I'd say a .224 bullet could be shot down a .223 barrel provided the load was worked up. I wouldn't shoot a max pressure .223 load and substitute a .224 bullet. In cast bullets I shoot a .314 base diameter bullet down a .308 barrel.Seem's to me, converting to a K Hornet would be the way to go. Doesn't going with the K Hornet gige a shoulder to headspace on rather than the rim?
No, It just blows the shoulder out to increase the powder capacity. Seems to make the case last a bit longer for reloading, too. The conversion is a simple matter, too. Just a few turns by hand with a K-reamer, and it's done. Got to be careful to get the right length on the shoulder. I have a fired case from a buddy's K-Hornet to gage the shoulder. Oddly, there is no brass in K-Hornet available. You get the brass by firing standard Hornet ammo in the K chamber. Reloading dies in K-Hornet are available. You also need a #22 shell holder for the small case head. I did some research on the K-Hornet, and found that there have been 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years, the most recent in 1954. The reamer I got is the one Cooper uses in his custom guns. I think my gun is an old one, with a .223 bore, and I determined that the twist is 1 in 16, making it not much of a tack driver, but a good truck gun. I'd love to get a more modern Hornet and K it, or just get a gun chambered in K-Hornet. (I think Ruger Chambers a gun in K-Hornet.) Sorry for the rambling post...
P.S. Shooting Hornet ammo in a K chamber doesn't seem to bother accuracy!
I don't know if I would want to change it out, with it being so old. Would it mess up anything by changing it?
What do you guys mean by shoulder angle?
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 08, 2013, 07:37:23 PM
I did a little research. The .22 hornet is a winchester model 54. I looked up the serial number and it was made in 1934. Really cool!
Let's hope your Model 54 is not "bubba'd" and as manufactured. It's a collector rifle.
How would you tell if it was? There is a nice scope mounted on it. I heard that they didn't have scope mounts originally but there wasn't any open sights either.
Both .223 and .224 diameter Hornet bullets used to be available. Based on what I've learned shooting cast bullets I'd say a .224 bullet could be shot down a .223 barrel provided the load was worked up. I wouldn't shoot a max pressure .223 load and substitute a .224 bullet. In cast bullets I shoot a .314 base diameter bullet down a .308 barrel.Seem's to me, converting to a K Hornet would be the way to go. Doesn't going with the K Hornet gige a shoulder to headspace on rather than the rim?
No, It just blows the shoulder out to increase the powder capacity. Seems to make the case last a bit longer for reloading, too. The conversion is a simple matter, too. Just a few turns by hand with a K-reamer, and it's done. Got to be careful to get the right length on the shoulder. I have a fired case from a buddy's K-Hornet to gage the shoulder. Oddly, there is no brass in K-Hornet available. You get the brass by firing standard Hornet ammo in the K chamber. Reloading dies in K-Hornet are available. You also need a #22 shell holder for the small case head. I did some research on the K-Hornet, and found that there have been 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years, the most recent in 1954. The reamer I got is the one Cooper uses in his custom guns. I think my gun is an old one, with a .223 bore, and I determined that the twist is 1 in 16, making it not much of a tack driver, but a good truck gun. I'd love to get a more modern Hornet and K it, or just get a gun chambered in K-Hornet. (I think Ruger Chambers a gun in K-Hornet.) Sorry for the rambling post...
P.S. Shooting Hornet ammo in a K chamber doesn't seem to bother accuracy!
I don't know if I would want to change it out, with it being so old. Would it mess up anything by changing it?
What do you guys mean by shoulder angle?
I don't think I'd change an old classic gun like that. I only reamed out my old gun because it was an H & R Handi-rifle anyway. Reaming your gun to K-Hornet wouldn't mess it up, but it wouldn't be original any more. If your gun has the original barrel, and there are no fixed sights on the barrel, then it was meant to be a scoped gun.
Shoulder angle is the part of a bottlenecked case that goes from the big part of the case to the neck where the bullet seats. An "Ackley Improved" case is a case that has had the shoulder angle pushed out to allow more powder capacity. It's said that Ackley improving helps some calibers, and does very little to others. Hope this explanation helps you out!
Post by: jmwaide on November 09, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
I did a little research. The .22 hornet is a winchester model 54. I looked up the serial number and it was made in 1934. Really cool!
Let's hope your Model 54 is not "bubba'd" and as manufactured. It's a collector rifle.
How would you tell if it was? There is a nice scope mounted on it. I heard that they didn't have scope mounts originally but there wasn't any open sights either.Both .223 and .224 diameter Hornet bullets used to be available. Based on what I've learned shooting cast bullets I'd say a .224 bullet could be shot down a .223 barrel provided the load was worked up. I wouldn't shoot a max pressure .223 load and substitute a .224 bullet. In cast bullets I shoot a .314 base diameter bullet down a .308 barrel.Seem's to me, converting to a K Hornet would be the way to go. Doesn't going with the K Hornet gige a shoulder to headspace on rather than the rim?
No, It just blows the shoulder out to increase the powder capacity. Seems to make the case last a bit longer for reloading, too. The conversion is a simple matter, too. Just a few turns by hand with a K-reamer, and it's done. Got to be careful to get the right length on the shoulder. I have a fired case from a buddy's K-Hornet to gage the shoulder. Oddly, there is no brass in K-Hornet available. You get the brass by firing standard Hornet ammo in the K chamber. Reloading dies in K-Hornet are available. You also need a #22 shell holder for the small case head. I did some research on the K-Hornet, and found that there have been 4 variations of the K-Hornet over the years, the most recent in 1954. The reamer I got is the one Cooper uses in his custom guns. I think my gun is an old one, with a .223 bore, and I determined that the twist is 1 in 16, making it not much of a tack driver, but a good truck gun. I'd love to get a more modern Hornet and K it, or just get a gun chambered in K-Hornet. (I think Ruger Chambers a gun in K-Hornet.) Sorry for the rambling post...
P.S. Shooting Hornet ammo in a K chamber doesn't seem to bother accuracy!
I don't know if I would want to change it out, with it being so old. Would it mess up anything by changing it?
What do you guys mean by shoulder angle?
I don't think I'd change an old classic gun like that. I only reamed out my old gun because it was an H & R Handi-rifle anyway. Reaming your gun to K-Hornet wouldn't mess it up, but it wouldn't be original any more. If your gun has the original barrel, and there are no fixed sights on the barrel, then it was meant to be a scoped gun.
Shoulder angle is the part of a bottlenecked case that goes from the big part of the case to the neck where the bullet seats. An "Ackley Improved" case is a case that has had the shoulder angle pushed out to allow more powder capacity. It's said that Ackley improving helps some calibers, and does very little to others. Hope this explanation helps you out!
It did! Thank you guys very much!