Post by: hmoov- on November 01, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on November 01, 2013, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on November 01, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 01, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
What draw length?
In my opinion unless you shoot a short draw length you will find the Experience a much easier bow to shoot and over all you would be happier with it. Those short brace height bows shoot fast, but it doesn't matter much if you are not seasoned enough to shoot it well. I've got 30 years of seasoning in the field and on the target line and I don't rate myself good enough to gain with the short brace height at 28.5" draw length.
In that 30+ years I have never shot a bow better than the Bowtech Experience. It is a GREAT bow! I'm not a big fan of all their bows, but the Experience is exceptional.
BTW - Don't listen to the Hoyt guys. They are just jealous that Bowtech can combine zero cam lean, easy to shoot and 340 fps together in a single package. And 350 fps...Phogedaboudit :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on November 01, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
PS A buddy of mine shoots an Experience and loves it. Fast too.
Post by: whackmaster on November 01, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
Maybe/Maybe not!:kneel:
What draw length?
In my opinion unless you shoot a short draw length you will find the Experience a much easier bow to shoot and over all you would be happier with it. Those short brace height bows shoot fast, but it doesn't matter much if you are not seasoned enough to shoot it well. I've got 30 years of seasoning in the field and on the target line and I don't rate myself good enough to gain with the short brace height at 28.5" draw length.
In that 30+ years I have never shot a bow better than the Bowtech Experience. It is a GREAT bow! I'm not a big fan of all their bows, but the Experience is exceptional.
BTW - Don't listen to the Hoyt guys. They are just jealous that Bowtech can combine zero cam lean, easy to shoot and 340 fps together in a single package. And 350 fps...Phogedaboudit :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on November 01, 2013, 06:39:22 PM
What's that last word Rad?
:chuckle: I just might be the furthest thing from a New York Italian you can get and still be white! :chuckle:
Post by: Stalker on November 01, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
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Now ain't that the truth.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 01, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
What's that last word Rad?
:chuckle: I just might be the furthest thing from a New York Italian you can get and still be white! :chuckle:
I thought maybe you were holding your dictionary upside down or something.
Post by: stickbuck on November 01, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 01, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
I thought maybe you were holding your dictionary upside down or something.
:tung:
Post by: demontang on November 02, 2013, 11:03:43 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 02, 2013, 06:28:57 PM
BTW - Don't listen to the Hoyt guys. They are just jealous that Bowtech can combine zero cam lean, easy to shoot and 340 fps together in a single package. And 350 fps...Phogedaboudit :chuckle:
Now ain't that the truth.
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:chuckle: To bad it costs you the peace of mind that comes with knowing your bow isn't a ticking time bomb :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on November 02, 2013, 07:17:23 PM
:chuckle: To bad it costs you the peace of mind that comes with knowing your bow isn't a ticking time bomb :chuckle:BTW - Don't listen to the Hoyt guys. They are just jealous that Bowtech can combine zero cam lean, easy to shoot and 340 fps together in a single package. And 350 fps...Phogedaboudit :chuckle:Now ain't that the truth.
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Hoyt guys love to live in the past. ;) I shot Hoyt for 15 years back when they were great! But I learned that things change. Of course I could shoot a bow that under performs by about 25% and costs 30% too much and have peace of mind. But, today the archer no longer has to make that decision.
Post by: MLBowhunting on November 02, 2013, 08:39:16 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 02, 2013, 09:11:11 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 02, 2013, 10:50:38 PM
I generally shoot Bear bows because of the people at Bear and the product is very solid. I wasn't so sure I would continue after Mark Wenberg left, but the people remaining are still A+ in my book. But, 2013 came and I just could not shoot Bear when the Experience, like you said, just had "IT!" It's been a long time since I held a bow with "IT!" The Insanity is very close to the Experience in design and I have set up a number of 27" draw length guys with the Insanity. However, for average sized guys and average shooters like me the Experience is the real 2013 winner in my opinion. I expect it will still be a 2014 winner as well. Though I am hoping for a Carbon Experience that has "IT!" as well.
Because of my odd thumbs the grip on the new Bear just falls short of having the "IT!" factor. For me, if Bear would ever change the grip to that of Bowtech, Elite or Pearson (maybe even PSE) I would have a dang hard time choosing one over the other between the Bowtech and Bear. And they are priced within reason of their performance. $1,200 for a bow in my mind is ridiculous and unnecessary. Heck, that's the price of a Sako or Weatherby that I could hand down to family members for generations. To ask that for a bow that will be outdated this time next year is absurd. At least it is in my way of thinking. Even the 900-1,000 price tags are hard for me to swallow. If I had to pay full price on bows I'd probably be shooting either a Hoyt Charger, Mission Ballistic, PSE Vendetta, Martin Alien or probably the Bear Domain or Method. All those bows far out perform their modest price tags, are easy to shoot and lack nothing more than a fancy logo and a bloated man ego.
Post by: sakoshooter on November 03, 2013, 10:45:16 AM
Because of my odd thumbs the grip on the new Bear just falls short of having the "IT!" factor. For me, if Bear would ever change the grip to that of Bowtech, Elite or Pearson (maybe even PSE) I would have a dang hard time choosing one over the other between the Bowtech and Bear. And they are priced within reason of their performance. $1,200 for a bow in my mind is ridiculous and unnecessary. Heck, that's the price of a Sako or Weatherby that I could hand down to family members for generations. To ask that for a bow that will be outdated this time next year is absurd. At least it is in my way of thinking. Even the 900-1,000 price tags are hard for me to swallow. If I had to pay full price on bows I'd probably be shooting either a Hoyt Charger, Mission Ballistic, PSE Vendetta, Martin Alien or probably the Bear Domain or Method. All those bows far out perform their modest price tags, are easy to shoot and lack nothing more than a fancy logo and a bloated man ego.
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Bout time someone said it and I totally agree. And what gets me is that people stand in line to pay those prices without even dickering.
Post by: demontang on November 03, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 03, 2013, 09:36:59 PM
Because of my odd thumbs the grip on the new Bear just falls short of having the "IT!" factor. For me, if Bear would ever change the grip to that of Bowtech, Elite or Pearson (maybe even PSE) I would have a dang hard time choosing one over the other between the Bowtech and Bear. And they are priced within reason of their performance. $1,200 for a bow in my mind is ridiculous and unnecessary. Heck, that's the price of a Sako or Weatherby that I could hand down to family members for generations. To ask that for a bow that will be outdated this time next year is absurd. At least it is in my way of thinking. Even the 900-1,000 price tags are hard for me to swallow. If I had to pay full price on bows I'd probably be shooting either a Hoyt Charger, Mission Ballistic, PSE Vendetta, Martin Alien or probably the Bear Domain or Method. All those bows far out perform their modest price tags, are easy to shoot and lack nothing more than a fancy logo and a bloated man ego.
Bout time someone said it and I totally agree. And what gets me is that people stand in line to pay those prices without even dickering.
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I have not played with the new line up. If it's like my anarchy you should be able to pull the over molded grip off and it should have the thin grip just like the pse bows. Unless they changed the grips.
Post by: RadSav on November 03, 2013, 10:15:57 PM
I have not played with the new line up. If it's like my anarchy you should be able to pull the over molded grip off and it should have the thin grip just like the pse bows. Unless they changed the grips.
The PSE grip and the Anarchy grip are vastly different! The Anarchy grip is much wider and the edge radius is much larger. Almost touching at grip center. The PSE grip similar to the Bear Assault I took to NWT is thinner and the radius is small enough that more than 30% of the grip surface is flat. So the PSE/Bear Assault grip is more square in the hand and resists torque to the riser when your thumb does not wrap all the way around. I have to shoot the Anarchy and similar Bear gripped bows with the sticky rubber grip. Otherwise, I am constantly having to shift my hand at full draw to eliminate torque. Not the case at all with PSE or my wonderful Assault. Archers with full functioning knuckles/joints in their thumbs might not have the same issue I have with the Bear grip. It is a frustrating thing for me since everything else about those bows is a complete perfect combination of features in a near perfect Price for Performance value.
Would be a non-issue if Loesch hadn't decided to stop making grips :bash:
Post by: coachcw on November 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
Post by: timmyjake on November 10, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
Post by: Jellymon on November 10, 2013, 04:21:33 PM
I go with the PSE pro line bows. The PSE DNA has the smoothest draw I have ever felt and the Omen is the fastest bow out there at 366 fps.
Nope, PSE dropped the brace a little more and named it the full throttle. 370fps, with a smoother draw then the omen from what I've read.
Post by: timmyjake on November 10, 2013, 04:27:24 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 10, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
I go with the PSE pro line bows. The PSE DNA has the smoothest draw I have ever felt and the Omen is the fastest bow out there at 366 fps.
Must not shoot a lot of bows as I am not sure I would call the DNA a smooth bow. Even the DNA SP (Smooth Pull) puts it about the same as the Insanity and is 5 fps slower than the Insanity. Not sure I would call that smooth, but comparing PSE to PSE it definitely is smooth for a PSE ;) That new PSE limb cup is a nice improvement too :tup: Quite a few good 350 fps bows available recently.
Speed isn't worth a five inch or less brace height. Unless you think it gives you an advantage in the "My wiener is bigger than yours" contest
Post by: Jellymon on November 10, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 10, 2013, 06:28:07 PM
I believe the omens brace is 5 1/2", the full throttle is 5 1/4" brace.
I believe you are correct.
Post by: spin05 on November 11, 2013, 01:29:12 AM
Too expensive. I refuse to pay over $500 for a bare bow. Thats even pushing it for me. I switched to a mission venture this year. I dont think there is a better bow out there for the money..
Post by: timmyjake on November 11, 2013, 07:12:42 AM
I actually never said that it was worth it. I actually shoot a bow that has a 7.5 inch brace height. It is only 302 fps. :yike: I haven't shot too many bows, but I have pulled back quite a few at our local pro shop. I was impressed with the Hoyts and the PSE's, but not Mathews and Bowtech. By the way, I like the Mathews draw. But the grip they have was designed for Paul Bunyan, and they don't seem balanced.
Must not shoot a lot of bows as I am not sure I would call the DNA a smooth bow. Even the DNA SP (Smooth Pull) puts it about the same as the Insanity and is 5 fps slower than the Insanity. Not sure I would call that smooth, but comparing PSE to PSE it definitely is smooth for a PSE ;) That new PSE limb cup is a nice improvement too :tup: Quite a few good 350 fps bows available recently.
Speed isn't worth a five inch or less brace height. Unless you think it gives you an advantage in the "My wiener is bigger than yours" contest
No offense intended. We all have our pet bow companies. :IBCOOL: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on November 11, 2013, 02:35:13 PM
By the way, I like the Mathews draw. But the grip they have was designed for Paul Bunyan, and they don't seem balanced.
I agree 100% with that! I think the smoothness combined with the hype snags a lot of money from guys wallets each year. I have a number of friends that fall for it each year. Most are shooting a different bow within six months afterwards. It does mean that there are a lot of good used Mathews out there for sale each year ;)
Post by: timmyjake on November 11, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 11, 2013, 07:41:46 PM
To be honest, my bow was built before PSE started with their slim grips. So I just pulled the screws and removed the grip. Now the grip is composed of black electrical tape. Very snazzy and stylish! :IBCOOL: :chuckle:
I've shot a lot of bows with just rod wrap on them. Although I did like the 2x4 grip on the old PSE Jet-Flite and Lazer-Flite. Whackmaster and I killed a lot of critters with those bows back in the late 80's early 90's before I went off to shoot for Hoyt.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 11, 2013, 07:50:45 PM
Post by: timmyjake on November 11, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
I like thin grips, so after a year of shooting it with the big grip, I threw it in a bag and grabbed the tape. :IBCOOL: :chuckle: :chuckle: