Post by: Expedition Scout on November 02, 2013, 09:51:34 AM
I've worked up there for 23 years and have never seen something like this before. There was no obvious bullet hole or other damage to the rest of the animal. I was told by WDFW that this is classic bear predation. I can't believe a bear would be so methodical as to pick apart an animal like that. We also have wolves that moved into the area, and I know they will kill a coyote if the chance presents itself, but the same argument exists for the bear... so neatly done?
Any help?
Post by: lokidog on November 02, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
Post by: Pygmy on November 02, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on November 02, 2013, 08:40:56 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 02, 2013, 08:46:27 PM
by stretched I mean several wolves pulling on the coyote at the same time until the literally almost pull it apart, they'll slip the hide and tube the legs pretty easy playing tug of war with a yote.
if you can, put that trail camera on the moose so we can all see :tup:
edit: Oh in case you want to argue with me first just think what animal would bother to chase down a coyote when they have a moose laying there? Wolves!
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 02, 2013, 09:49:54 PM
I've tried to upload pictures of the yote's on the moose and pictures of the Coyote that was killed. For some reason, it wont let me upload them.
I'll keep trying
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 02, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Anyone have any idea's? I've been able to upload pictures before on other forums, just not here.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 02, 2013, 10:03:27 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 02, 2013, 10:06:56 PM
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 02, 2013, 10:19:45 PM
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 02, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
Also a better picture of the back of the coyote looking down towards the anus.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 02, 2013, 10:35:49 PM
Post by: Cougartail on November 02, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 02, 2013, 10:59:50 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 02, 2013, 11:13:13 PM
Doesn't make since to me a cat chasing a coyote off a carcass for a good ways, then eating a coyote over moose???
Cat wouldn't have taken down the moose unless it was a small sickly one? OP doesn't say what the moose is.
Most likely scenario for a cat to feed on a moose would be someone either someone shot it or it died on it's own - possible but improbable.
So if your so astute Mr. 100% Cougar, you'd notice there isn't a single stick of brush over that carcass, no scraping nada....very unlike a cat to not hide a kill.
I think it more likely a pack of wolves brought down the moose (they tend to do that) then an uneducated coyote came to pick up some scraps and learned a hard hard lesson. 3-4 wolves or more each grabbed a corner and pulled almost pulling the coyote in two then fed on the exposed innards then went back to the moose.
Keep that trail cam up, that'll tell the story
Post by: RadSav on November 03, 2013, 12:00:02 AM
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 12:45:58 AM
Cougars cover their kills if they plan on returning to them. Looks like most of the good stuff is gone to me?
Cougars peel skin/ fur to expose flesh. Wolves rip and tear.
Had the intestines been opened up I would have said bear.
Not much in the way of bird excrement around? Having left plenty of carcasses out I know when the birds feed it's messy.
The picture is of a coyote killed by wolves, verified. More to the normal when wolves are done, not much left.
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Post by: bearpaw on November 03, 2013, 04:40:01 AM
100% sure it was a cougar. They go for the organs first and can open animals with precision using their incisors. If it was wolves the area would be torn up and the coyote in pieces. Google wolf kills, then click on "Images" and it will be crystal clear it wasn't wolves.
My field experience tells me this coyote kill probably wasn't done by a cougar. If a cougar makes a kill yes he chews through the ribs right behind the shoulder and eats the liver. However, when he chews through the ribs he eats the ribs that were in his way. Later, when the cougar returns and eats more flesh he also eats most bones while eating the flesh. I have never seen a cougar kill on deer or elk where the cat left the rib bones, in my experience they always eat the bones too.
We have found cougar killed coyotes and also had numerous hounds killed by cougar. In every instance 1 of 2 things happened.
1. The dog was bitten in the head (skull crushed) and left otherwise untouched. The dog was killed by the cat out of anger or in defense.
2. The dog/coyote was mostly eaten (including the bones) because the cat was hungry.
I have also seen quite a few farm animals killed by cougar. I have never seen a cougar kill any animal and eat all the flesh and leave all the bones. I am reasonably certain if a cougar killed that coyote he would have eaten the rib bones when he ate through the side to eat the organs and when the cat ate the rest of the meat it would have eaten most if not all of the rib bones too.
On the other hand, there re plenty of photos of wolf kills where they meticulously remove the fetus from elk and only eat the fetus and sometimes even leave the fetus.
I'm not sure what killed this coyote, but I would say 99% chance that a cougar did not do it.
Post by: Pygmy on November 03, 2013, 07:43:44 AM
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 08:59:26 AM
100% sure it was a cougar. They go for the organs first and can open animals with precision using their incisors. If it was wolves the area would be torn up and the coyote in pieces. Google wolf kills, then click on "Images" and it will be crystal clear it wasn't wolves.
My field experience tells me this coyote kill probably wasn't done by a cougar. If a cougar makes a kill yes he chews through the ribs right behind the shoulder and eats the liver. However, when he chews through the ribs he eats the ribs that were in his way. Later, when the cougar returns and eats more flesh he also eats most bones while eating the flesh. I have never seen a cougar kill on deer or elk where the cat left the rib bones, in my experience they always eat the bones too.
We have found cougar killed coyotes and also had numerous hounds killed by cougar. In every instance 1 of 2 things happened.
1. The dog was bitten in the head (skull crushed) and left otherwise untouched. The dog was killed by the cat out of anger or in defense.
2. The dog/coyote was mostly eaten (including the bones) because the cat was hungry.
I have also seen quite a few farm animals killed by cougar. I have never seen a cougar kill any animal and eat all the flesh and leave all the bones. I am reasonably certain if a cougar killed that coyote he would have eaten the rib bones when he ate through the side to eat the organs and when the cat ate the rest of the meat it would have eaten most if not all of the rib bones too.
On the other hand, there re plenty of photos of wolf kills where they meticulously remove the fetus from elk and only eat the fetus and sometimes even leave the fetus.
I'm not sure what killed this coyote, but I would say 99% chance that a cougar did not do it.
Cougars are not bone eaters as their intestinal track is relatively short and inefficiant. That is why they open the stomach cavity just below the rib cage and roll out the organs first in most cases. It's fast and the highest calorie/nutrient food is there. (Important when other predators may be present and time is of the essence.)
I have walked past numberous cougar kills while trapping bobcats/coyotes on a regular basis. With snow on the ground you get to see what is actually feeding. A chain of evidence so to speak. Not until the coyotes have shown up have I ever seen the ribcage disappear.
As for wounds around the neck, a cougar can break a coyotes neck in his jaws without puncturing the hide. A tight grip and the momentum/weight of the cougar is enough.
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 09:30:12 AM
Anyways that's my theory since that's all anyone has at this point.
Post by: ICEMAN on November 03, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
No broken bones.
No heavy animal tracks around carcass.
Fur pulled off and tossed not eaten.
Not enough strength to rip apart carcass.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Doesn't make since to me a cat chasing a coyote off a carcass for a good ways, then eating a coyote over moose???
Cat wouldn't have taken down the moose unless it was a small sickly one? OP doesn't say what the moose is.
Most likely scenario for a cat to feed on a moose would be someone either someone shot it or it died on it's own - possible but improbable.
What doesn't make sense is a pack of wolves killing a moose, then killing a coyote, partially eating it in a fairly un-messy way and then leave the moose carcass for other coyotes to enjoy.
What makes more sense is the moose died for some reason, possibly a gunshot wound and it drew in scavengers. And a lion took the opportunity to ambush a coyote. If wolves had made the kill on the moose, I seriously doubt they'd have given it up to a bunch of coyotes.
OP never mentioned the size or the sex of the moose or how it appeared to have died and how much had been eaten. That might tell us something.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2013, 09:54:52 AM
Natural death followed by scavenging by birds?
No broken bones.
No heavy animal tracks around carcass.
Fur pulled off and tossed not eaten.
Not enough strength to rip apart carcass.
Birds will start in areas that are easy such as the eyes and tongue and anus and sex organs. When the do go through the hide, the will open a small tear and eat everything they can through that little hole and the dead animal will appear pock marked. Birds don't pull off large chunks of hide to get to what they eat, they pull small strips.
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
Doesn't make since to me a cat chasing a coyote off a carcass for a good ways, then eating a coyote over moose???
Cat wouldn't have taken down the moose unless it was a small sickly one? OP doesn't say what the moose is.
Most likely scenario for a cat to feed on a moose would be someone either someone shot it or it died on it's own - possible but improbable.
What doesn't make sense is a pack of wolves killing a moose, then killing a coyote, partially eating it in a fairly un-messy way and then leave the moose carcass for other coyotes to enjoy.
What makes more sense is the moose died for some reason, possibly a gunshot wound and it drew in scavengers. And a lion took the opportunity to ambush a coyote. If wolves had made the kill on the moose, I seriously doubt they'd have given it up to a bunch of coyotes.
OP never mentioned the size or the sex of the moose or how it appeared to have died and how much had been eaten. That might tell us something.
Wish I was up there looking at it myself :chuckle:
This ought to debunk your theory wolves wouldn't leave a kill to chase a coyote. Notice how full their bellies are?
Too bad they cut the video off when that coyote was about to get stretched, I bet it looked a whole lot like the pictures in this thread.
Wolves vs coyote [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCvLzDNWz0#ws)
We all know you and cougartail are certified card carrying wolf huggers, but what I don't understand is why a wolf hugger would defend a wolf killing it's natural prey.
Wolves killing coyotes is a net benefit, a small upshot of wolves being around perhaps it'll help the small game species. So why not acknowledge that?
enlighten me on that aspect.
Also I never tossed out 100% wolf, it's just my theory based on the limited evidence - I look at the whole situation as best I can with the information given. As far as I know that moose carcass is mostly devoured and wolves are gone or the moose died of other natural causes and a cat indeed killed that coyote then the OP came along and the cat slinked off in the woods instead of burying it - I can't say for 100%, only fools do that (and wolf huggers evidently)
It doesn't look like a cat kill, but like Dale I can't/won't say for 100%
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 03, 2013, 10:44:55 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
This ought to debunk your theory wolves wouldn't leave a kill to chase a coyote. Notice how full their bellies are?
Too bad they cut the video off when that coyote was about to get stretched, I bet it looked a whole lot like the pictures in this thread.
Wolves vs coyote [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCvLzDNWz0#ws)
We all know you and cougartail are certified card carrying wolf huggers, but what I don't understand is why a wolf hugger would defend a wolf killing it's natural prey.
Wolves killing coyotes is a net benefit, a small upshot of wolves being around perhaps it'll help the small game species. So why not acknowledge that?
enlighten me on that aspect.
Wolf hugger? Hardly. I have no problem with wolves being hunted or trapped. I'm more wolf neutral.
And if you followed what I've said about wolves on other threads, you'd know I've said that one benefit from having wolves would be a thinning of coyotes which are a plague. This in turn will help small game and bird populations not to mention deer as coyotes might be the biggest killer of fawns.
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 12:14:35 PM
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 04:19:40 PM
"Wolf Hugger"?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=138695.0;attach=281223;image)
If that really is you, why would you download the picture off an Idaho hunting site then upload it to HW?
http://gothunts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/idaho-wolf-90x90.jpg (http://gothunts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/idaho-wolf-90x90.jpg)
Taking a pic off the internet and claiming it as your own is about as low as tagging someone else's kill.
No where in your post history do I see the story of this wolf hunt...
So do tell? I LOVE to hear a good wolf hunt story
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
I don't think that's going to happen, because the owner of that picture lives near Boise ID. Not Yakima as you put in your bio.
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 05:04:55 PM
By the way, do you think that big boy and 2 or 3 of his buddies are going to leave that coyote intact? lol
Post by: idahohuntr on November 03, 2013, 05:07:40 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 05:15:16 PM
No real hunter is going to post a picture of someone else's kill without a disclaimer stating such. Every thread I've ever seen on here hunters are very hesistant to post a pic of their friends kill - and if they do they make sure to indicate so but normally they say "so and so made a nice kill, I'll let them post the picture" or "so and so asked me to post this for them"
NEVER does anyone grab a random image off the net and post it as their own or something like this will happen, and now you've been exposed as a fraud.
Had I not called you out on it you'd have left that image there and moved on accepting credit for doing something you personally abhore in order to gain standing here - so you can continue to derail, change direction or sabotage any thread that hits under a search for "wolf".
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 05:34:57 PM
Oh BS :bash:
No real hunter is going to post a picture of someone else's kill without a disclaimer stating such. Every thread I've ever seen on here hunters are very hesistant to post a pic of their friends kill - and if they do they make sure to indicate so but normally they say "so and so made a nice kill, I'll let them post the picture" or "so and so asked me to post this for them"
NEVER does anyone grab a random image off the net and post it as their own or something like this will happen, and now you've been exposed as a fraud.
Had I not called you out on it you'd have left that image there and moved on accepting credit for doing something you personally abhore in order to gain standing here - so you can continue to derail, change direction or sabotage any thread that hits under a search for "wolf".
Wrong, If you were reading and paying attention I stated "I have never killed a wolf" but I have definitely tried to when I was in Alaska. You remind me of the nitwits on radio/tv who love to take things out of context and bend them to fit their agenda and talking points.
As for frauds, I can tell your time spent in the outdoors is very limited.
Post by: Cougartail on November 03, 2013, 05:46:38 PM
I didn't see anywhere cougartail claimed that was him in the photo...I took it as him making fun of your suggesting he was a "wolf hugger"...in the sense that if he shot one and held it he would look like the guy in the photo :tup:
There is always one guy in the room who doesn't get the joke..
Post by: Coastal_native on November 03, 2013, 05:48:15 PM
That being said, I'm 100% certain that it was the butler, in the library, with a candle stick...that killed that coyote.
Post by: runamuk on November 03, 2013, 05:50:30 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 05:53:47 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 05:57:06 PM
I am 100% certain that this thread is hilarious. If I'm ever in need of an expert, I always know there's a few thousand on this forum ready and willing to answer my questions with a high degree of certainty. :chuckle:
That being said, I'm 100% certain that it was the butler, in the library, with a candle stick...that killed that coyote.
In any other thread where wolves are not mentioned you can find very good knowledge on this forum, but as soon as one person mentions "wolf" it shows up on a forum search and here comes the wolf advocates to misdirect the thread until you end up with something like this thread.
Post by: Expedition Scout on November 03, 2013, 07:10:33 PM
I'm sure the trail camera's will have some information on them when I get up there to check again, however the killer by all the opinions here will remain a mystery. No matter what is on the camera at this point, will not answer the question, only what ended up there after the fact.
Thanks for the input.
Post by: runamuk on November 03, 2013, 07:17:53 PM
If it were bear the moose would have been buried, I see no sign of bear on the moose.we were discussing the coyote not the moose :) the moose is not buried so it is not a cougar cats bury their kills I know I have stepped on a few and it creepy as hell to realize you are standing in a cats dining room.... bears just eat like dogs or pigs they seem to dive in chow down and crap and maybe nap....just my experience...
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 03, 2013, 07:34:16 PM
If it were bear the moose would have been buried, I see no sign of bear on the moose.we were discussing the coyote not the moose :) the moose is not buried so it is not a cougar cats bury their kills I know I have stepped on a few and it creepy as hell to realize you are standing in a cats dining room.... bears just eat like dogs or pigs they seem to dive in chow down and crap and maybe nap....just my experience...
Bears also bury what they don't eat. And they chew bones up. They will also pee all over the place and stink things up. My brother and a friend each shot a nice bull moose in Alaska one year late in the day and gutted them and hauled his friend's out in an airboat that evening. When they returned the next morning, my brother's bull was gone, but there was a big drag trail they followed. They spotted an antler sticking out of a big pile of dirt and brush and headed to it and the bear jumped up from behind it and ran off from the noise of the airboat. They recovered the moose and salvaged most of it. They said it really stunk around the area the moose had been buried.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 03, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
If it were bear the moose would have been buried, I see no sign of bear on the moose.we were discussing the coyote not the moose :) the moose is not buried so it is not a cougar cats bury their kills I know I have stepped on a few and it creepy as hell to realize you are standing in a cats dining room.... bears just eat like dogs or pigs they seem to dive in chow down and crap and maybe nap....just my experience...
Bears also bury what they don't eat. And they chew bones up. They will also pee all over the place and stink things up. My brother and a friend each shot a nice bull moose in Alaska one year late in the day and gutted them and hauled his friend's out in an airboat that evening. When they returned the next morning, my brother's bull was gone, but there was a big drag trail they followed. They spotted an antler sticking out of a big pile of dirt and brush and headed to it and the bear jumped up from behind it and ran off from the noise of the airboat. They recovered the moose and salvaged most of it. They said it really stunk around the area the moose had been buried.
:yeah:
almost looks like a beaver hut on solid ground :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on November 03, 2013, 08:13:22 PM
100% sure it was a cougar. They go for the organs first and can open animals with precision using their incisors. If it was wolves the area would be torn up and the coyote in pieces. Google wolf kills, then click on "Images" and it will be crystal clear it wasn't wolves.
My field experience tells me this coyote kill probably wasn't done by a cougar. If a cougar makes a kill yes he chews through the ribs right behind the shoulder and eats the liver. However, when he chews through the ribs he eats the ribs that were in his way. Later, when the cougar returns and eats more flesh he also eats most bones while eating the flesh. I have never seen a cougar kill on deer or elk where the cat left the rib bones, in my experience they always eat the bones too.
We have found cougar killed coyotes and also had numerous hounds killed by cougar. In every instance 1 of 2 things happened.
1. The dog was bitten in the head (skull crushed) and left otherwise untouched. The dog was killed by the cat out of anger or in defense.
2. The dog/coyote was mostly eaten (including the bones) because the cat was hungry.
I have also seen quite a few farm animals killed by cougar. I have never seen a cougar kill any animal and eat all the flesh and leave all the bones. I am reasonably certain if a cougar killed that coyote he would have eaten the rib bones when he ate through the side to eat the organs and when the cat ate the rest of the meat it would have eaten most if not all of the rib bones too.
On the other hand, there re plenty of photos of wolf kills where they meticulously remove the fetus from elk and only eat the fetus and sometimes even leave the fetus.
I'm not sure what killed this coyote, but I would say 99% chance that a cougar did not do it.
Cougars are not bone eaters as their intestinal track is relatively short and inefficiant. That is why they open the stomach cavity just below the rib cage and roll out the organs first in most cases. It's fast and the highest calorie/nutrient food is there. (Important when other predators may be present and time is of the essence.)
I have walked past numberous cougar kills while trapping bobcats/coyotes on a regular basis. With snow on the ground you get to see what is actually feeding. A chain of evidence so to speak. Not until the coyotes have shown up have I ever seen the ribcage disappear.
As for wounds around the neck, a cougar can break a coyotes neck in his jaws without puncturing the hide. A tight grip and the momentum/weight of the cougar is enough.
The canines I have seen killed by cougar were bit in the head and their skull crushed.
Of all the fresh cougar kills of various animals I have seen if the cat ate anything they have almost always eaten through the ribs (including the ribs) and then ate the organs. On older kills where the cougar has fed for several days they often eat most of the bones including all the ribs, much of the spine, much of the leg bones, most of the skull, and even most of the skin, it appears that they spit out the hair. These were my observations at cougar kills.
I think some of the comments in this topic are misleading and based on limited experience. For those who like internet verification, please see this info from WDFW regarding what cougar eat: http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/cougars.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/cougars.html)
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Droppings
Cougars generally cover their droppings with loose soil. When visible, their droppings typically resemble those of most species in the dog and cat families. However, cougars have well developed premolars that can slice through bone and hide. Therefore, their droppings often show chunks and fragments of chewed bone and considerable hair from the hide. Members of the dog family gnaw on bones but usually don’t chew them up into cut fragments.
Post by: supagoose on November 03, 2013, 08:42:36 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi779.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy72%2Fleemain%2FCkill_zpsc5c35dd0.jpg&hash=dbe793b07773a35822775af5a82b7f356cb1c1a8) (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/leemain/media/Ckill_zpsc5c35dd0.jpg.html)
Post by: bearpaw on November 03, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Notice how the rib bones are chewed off the side of the deer! If you look at the coyote kill photo you do not see the ribs chewed off like this, rather they are picked clean, that leads me to believe that a cougar did not make that kill.
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on November 04, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
I keep thinking bird...not sure why but I keep envisioning a big ass bird eviscerating that dog....something about the entrail removal says birds....now I can see a bear doing the neck snapping and intitial killing.....I used to rid a horse that had been mauled by a bear ...yes the mauling was witnessed and the bear was killed.....but the bear grabbed the mare at the withers/base of neck, the cougar kills I know of its always been head/neck...and wolves/dogs its usually flanks/hindquarters. So based on my limited knowledge i would buy the bear kill...but think the majority of organ removal was done by birds :dunno:
In think the big ass bird and the funny looking bear are in cahoots. Look how they are going for the head and aren't even crushing it. The funny bear probably sucked the guts out with his funny nose and left the ribs intact.
Post by: JJB11B on November 04, 2013, 03:16:08 PM
Post by: fishinmike on November 04, 2013, 03:16:39 PM
BIGFOOT !!
:yeah:
Post by: Coastal_native on November 04, 2013, 03:24:23 PM
I am 100% certain that this thread is hilarious. If I'm ever in need of an expert, I always know there's a few thousand on this forum ready and willing to answer my questions with a high degree of certainty. :chuckle:
That being said, I'm 100% certain that it was the butler, in the library, with a candle stick...that killed that coyote.
In any other thread where wolves are not mentioned you can find very good knowledge on this forum, but as soon as one person mentions "wolf" it shows up on a forum search and here comes the wolf advocates to misdirect the thread until you end up with something like this thread.
That was just me trying to be funny. I get a lot of great information from this forum, too. To be honest, I was about to weigh in with my expert opinion, but then I thought "nah, these guys got it under control. I'll fill the role of the sarcastic jerk in this thread" :chuckle:
I initially thought it was a cougar too. From what I've seen investigating cougar kills on our study out here, they're like surgeons. I've seen a few elk calves that were peeled like bananas. The inside of the hide was clean as can be and the cuts were pretty darn straight.
Post by: Brad Harshman on November 06, 2013, 08:15:03 PM
Doesn't make since to me a cat chasing a coyote off a carcass for a good ways, then eating a coyote over moose???
Cat wouldn't have taken down the moose unless it was a small sickly one? OP doesn't say what the moose is.
Most likely scenario for a cat to feed on a moose would be someone either someone shot it or it died on it's own - possible but improbable.
What doesn't make sense is a pack of wolves killing a moose, then killing a coyote, partially eating it in a fairly un-messy way and then leave the moose carcass for other coyotes to enjoy.
What makes more sense is the moose died for some reason, possibly a gunshot wound and it drew in scavengers. And a lion took the opportunity to ambush a coyote. If wolves had made the kill on the moose, I seriously doubt they'd have given it up to a bunch of coyotes.
OP never mentioned the size or the sex of the moose or how it appeared to have died and how much had been eaten. That might tell us something.
I agree, it really sounds like a cougar killed the yote. But I caution drawing conclusions without any evidence. We never got any information or pictures of the moose so we can't postulate how it died.
Fun thread though.
Post by: nwwanderer on November 16, 2013, 04:22:04 PM