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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 12:58:29 PM

Title: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 12:58:29 PM: So this year I decided to start hunting muzzleloader for deer just as a trial basis. I didn't want to sink big money into a gun that I may or may not use a lot so I went with a Traditions Tracker. I knew it was cheap but it was simple and easy to use. One of the cheapest parts was the sights which have already broken and were a pain to sight in (no fine adjustments). :bash: So I need new sights!

Two options while staying WA legal:

1.) Replace them with another set of fiber optic open sights (better quality of course)

or

2.) Put a set of peep sights on.

Any recommendations? :dunno:
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: winshooter88 on November 05, 2013, 01:05:34 PM: Since you don't want to spend any more money than necessary, it seems reasonable to fix the open sights. Peep sights in my experience give a better and more accurate sight picture, but they will be more expensive. If you knew that you were going to keep and use the gun then I'd go for the peep sights. Of course if you sell the rifle later then you might get more for it with the peep sights on it. :twocents:
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 01:34:25 PM: I have already decided to keep the gun. It is fun to shoot, and I greatly enjoy having less hunters to contend with. I didn't want to buy an expensive rifle at first. Peeps are more expensive but I guess I looking to find out if they are better choice? Are they worth the extra cost? Do they still perform in low light conditions?
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: bendotti on November 05, 2013, 06:22:41 PM: I went with the truglo muzzle brit ghost globe and ghost rear peep I love them awsome glow even at low lite
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: oneshot12 on November 05, 2013, 06:51:46 PM: the true glo sights are nice have a set on my 54 Remington .just make sure not to have anything happen to the front sight snaps pretty easy . have been thinking of switch over to a peep sight myself and making sure the front blade is covered the true glo sights dont have a front sight hood guard but would recommend you find what best suits your shooting stile and what you like before you make any changes
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 07:00:44 PM: the true glow sights are they metal or plastic? They say CNC machined but the finish looks like plastic? And the ghost ring set up is very interesting is the idea to be a cross between a peep and open sights? I narrowed my selection down to these too options. I have used peep sights before but only in target shooting not hunting wasn't sure how good there were for moving targets.

http://www.truglo.com/pc_product_detail.asp?key=5D8DA3413D8F4F2B88BD0B88A808A156&catid=8C1129845AF1419E9350FF4C84415FEA (http://www.truglo.com/pc_product_detail.asp?key=5D8DA3413D8F4F2B88BD0B88A808A156&catid=8C1129845AF1419E9350FF4C84415FEA)

and

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Williams-Adjustable-Rear-Peep-Sight/740049.uts?WT.tsrc=CRR&WT.mc_id=crrdtfd (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Williams-Adjustable-Rear-Peep-Sight/740049.uts?WT.tsrc=CRR&WT.mc_id=crrdtfd)

thoughts? all metal construction would be nice as I tend to go through hairy brush and would hate to bust a sight.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: oneshot12 on November 05, 2013, 07:06:09 PM: the true glo are metal and fit in the same place you existing sights are the williams can fit as far back to where your first scope mount would go
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 07:27:47 PM: So which would you choose? Williams or truglo?
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: jrebel on November 05, 2013, 07:39:35 PM: Williams....hands down, no comparison. the Tru Glow were way to big and clunky for me and seem to cover up the entire animal at longer range. I love my williams.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 08:03:52 PM: Williams it is!!! The adjustments look better on them too. I will be sure to report how they do when they arrive
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: bendotti on November 05, 2013, 08:51:26 PM: This is my setup
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: jrebel on November 05, 2013, 09:10:26 PM: Quote from: bendotti on November 05, 2013, 08:51:26 PM
This is my setup

Shot with one of those once and didn't like it. The peep is way to thick and fiber optic on the peep is not necessary. I also did not like how big the front pin / shroud was....it covered the entire target (deer) at ranges must past 80 yards. I could probably make it work if the front was just a fiber pin without the shroud.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 09:18:56 PM: Quote from: jrebel on November 05, 2013, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: bendotti on November 05, 2013, 08:51:26 PM
This is my setup

Shot with one of those once and didn't like it. The peep is way to thick and fiber optic on the peep is not necessary. I also did not like how big the front pin / shroud was....it covered the entire target (deer) at ranges must past 80 yards. I could probably make it work if the front was just a fiber pin without the shroud.

Also that set up is no longer offered. Most likely for the reasons stated.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Sabotloader on November 06, 2013, 07:40:02 AM: Quote from: Bookworm007 on November 05, 2013, 07:27:47 PM
So which would you choose? Williams or truglo?

Myself... I would go with the Williams setup on both ends of the barrel. Rear FP peep sight, with 1/4 min clicks, and on the front a Williams Ramp, fire sight, and Fire Sight Hood... With the hood and looking through the peep you get the appearance that you might be looking through the a 1x scope.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FFPComposite.jpg&hash=de127770bea0b68f1b8bf0d37c22dfdc8c94d40a) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/FPComposite.jpg.html)

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FP1010002a.jpg&hash=a8c01d3ac26b53cfa02d856ff4d1213e112df7aa) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/P1010002a.jpg.html)

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FWhite%2520Lightening%2FFSHood.jpg&hash=35f41c722790d15a9bbfa0020418dd744a8c8d57) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/White%20Lightening/FSHood.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Runamuck on November 06, 2013, 08:21:12 AM: I have set my Bighorn up just as Sabotloader suggested. Fantastic sighting combination! Great for these old eyes.
The Williams front fire sight is now green instead of red.
It's going to be next to impossible to take the old Thompson Renegade out after using these sights. :dunno:
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: oneshot12 on November 06, 2013, 08:53:34 AM: my truglo sights
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 06, 2013, 10:36:22 AM: got this a couple weeks ago, Its the see all open sight. No front sight needed! Almost works like a red dot scope, but does not magnify the target, but the sight so you can see the triangle thats marked on the front fiber optic. This is legal in all states where fiber optic sights are allowed.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1331.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw581%2FFrontierMuzzleloading%2FSee%2520All%2520Sights%2FIMG_1174_zps4fbec82a.jpg&hash=4b61e2f4a96b23241294be1712df7fff7996eb0f)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1331.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw581%2FFrontierMuzzleloading%2FSee%2520All%2520Sights%2FIMG_1176_zpsbab22ca4.jpg&hash=7122d32a245aa0c027fe2e7bbafa9caca11fe5b8)
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: lokidog on November 06, 2013, 10:56:06 AM: I looked at those See Alls, but don't like how it seems to cover everything below it up. I use a williams peep and as small of a fiber as I can on the front. I doo like that hood over the Williams front sight, though the bead looks huge. For early/late, I unscrew the globe and just use the threaded ring since I would not be taking long shots in the legal darkness.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Sabotloader on November 06, 2013, 11:43:20 AM: Quote from: lokidog on November 06, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
I looked at those See Alls, but don't like how it seems to cover everything below it up. I use a williams peep and as small of a fiber as I can on the front. I doo like that hood over the Williams front sight, though the bead looks huge. For early/late, I unscrew the globe and just use the threaded ring since I would not be taking long shots in the legal darkness.

Agreement.. but to compensate fro the size of the bead on the front site I use a 6 o'clock hold so the top of the blade is the zero point...

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FArchive%2FOpen_sight_pictures1.jpg&hash=e4694212462dd1d6dd1f6f739c47b87f06ea3c80) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/Archive/Open_sight_pictures1.jpg.html)

And I agree the 'see all' is pretty yougly and really seems like a limb branch catcher. Plus it seems to me the snow could easily settle on the broad flat top of the assembly. And how do you get a clear picture of the sight area, the area around and under the animal...

I am sure it works - but lot of things work but.... time will be the real telling factor...
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: lokidog on November 06, 2013, 12:02:35 PM: I've never had good consistency doing the 6 o'clock hold but I don't shoot as much as I probably should.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: oneshot12 on November 06, 2013, 12:23:08 PM: mine i just line the three dots up and let go but i would like a cover on the front blade just for safety and not breaking it
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: fire*guy on November 06, 2013, 12:38:29 PM: Sabotloader,
Do you find that moving the rear sight to the very back of the rifle improves the accuracy of the rifle much ? I'm mostly referring to the standard dove style sights.
Title: Re: Help With Sights Please
Post by: Sabotloader on November 06, 2013, 01:46:05 PM: Quote from: fire*guy on November 06, 2013, 12:38:29 PM
Sabotloader,
Do you find that moving the rear sight to the very back of the rifle improves the accuracy of the rifle much ? I'm mostly referring to the standard dove style sights.

For me, yes the peep at the very rear is an advantage. With the sight at the rear and with it being a peep I do not even think about the rear sight - it is a blur anyway - all need is that clear path to allow my eyes to line up the front blade. With the hood in place it looks like I am looking through a 1 power scope...

We were taught in rifle team competitions to use the 6 O'clock so I have been doing it since ROTC in High School so it is not foreign to me. Even when I shooting a scope since I use a 3" PBR sighting in - I use a modified 6 0'clock depending on the range...