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Title: breaking release loop?
Post by: funkster on November 04, 2008, 06:54:42 PM: I was just wondering how many of you guys have had a release loop break or come undone while shooting? I had my loop come undone two days ago. I was three quarters drawn with a 85lbs draw and I ended up punching myself in the nose, mouth and saw some stars. My dad ask "what happend""what happend" while I was still trying to get my head straight. I thought I knocked out my front teeth as they went numb but lucky enough all is good and I am fine. I thought my loop broke but it actually came undone. My dad later joked now you know what it is like to be punched by you :chuckle: So I was just wondering how many shooter's have had this happen?
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: bullcanyon on November 04, 2008, 07:01:34 PM: Never the loop, but the release failed once and I know the feeling you're talking about. I was only pulling 65lbs, but it still hurt. Makes a guy a little gun shy.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: demontang on November 04, 2008, 07:59:08 PM: I used a loop with a back tension releases but not much so I haven't had that problem. But if you use a back tension release your going to hit your self and at 70lb it doesn't fell good hell even at 45lb it would hurt.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 04, 2008, 09:19:22 PM: I have never had one break.. ever.. but thats just me, also why are you shooting 85lbs? :yike: im assuming our bow must be a little older? and demontag.. you can shoot backtension at 70lbs and not hit yourself in the face, but you can also do it at 45lbs.. lol I gave myself a bloody nose when I was 14 learning how to use one, I also hit myself once when I was 16 shooting a blueface tournament and I was on pace for a 300 with 57/60x! :'( needless to say I shot a 295 56/x.... and took 3rd...... sad sad day that was and my ego was sure hurt.........
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: stumprat on November 04, 2008, 09:23:14 PM: Why are you pulling 85 #'s. :dunno: Seems to me you can break all kinds of *censored* at that rate. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: dreamingbig on November 04, 2008, 09:38:43 PM: I never have. I tie my own loops on and do everything I can to make those knots as tight as I can! I have a fear of them breaking or coming loose.

I also change it out every two to three months or so or at the hint of wear. It doesn't take much to replace one.

Sorry to hear that you popped yourself in the face!
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: seniorturkey on November 04, 2008, 09:49:44 PM: wow 85# buffalo? change my loop 2 times a year just in case. wax them good and don't us a liquid wax.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: BLUEBULLS on November 05, 2008, 07:30:52 AM: I've broke a couple, now, once I see much wear, i replace them. The neghibors horses wouldn't like it if I accidentally launched one at them. I've never had one come loose, I use several different brands and also make my own and I wax them up real good.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: funkster on November 05, 2008, 08:38:13 AM: I shoot a Hoyt vectrix. I am not shooting that high of lbs to be macho or to have a bow that can shoot 370 fps. I am all about kinetic energy. I can shoot a 513 grain arrow at 298 fps and use one pin out to 30 yards. I know this question is gonna come up to, it always does. All though I can shoot out to 100 yards my effective range is 40 and under and I have never harvested an animal that was over 25 yards. Trust me, this set up leads to finding your game fast after a shot. I am an average guy that loves to hunt bull elk and that is what I have my bow set up for.

I have had 2 bows set up this way and in almost four years I have had nothing break. I did have a problem with timing on the vectrix but got that figured out.

I had the tie in loop,has anyone used the knotless loop??

I am in the market for a new bow after late season. I have spent some time behind the dxt and really like it. The miles we cover the 4 pounds lighter than my bow is a huge plus to me.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 05, 2008, 08:44:12 AM: Thats a interesting stance, I just dont see the reason to pull that much... If you feel thats what you need to kill a elk fast then go for it ! but I have never had a issue with any of the animals I have shot, deer, elk or otherwise and I shoot a hoyt at 60 lbs shooting 266fps.. if your in the market for a new bow and you already shoot hoyt look at the new alphamax, its 3.9 lbs and just plai awesome
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: funkster on November 05, 2008, 08:57:35 AM: 3.9lbs?? wow! Is that with quiver? I always thought instead of calling the name vectrix,Vulcan,katera they should call it the Hoyt tank :chuckle: That was one of my beefs with Hoyt they were heavy and loud. I will be up at the shop in the next few days to get the loop fixed and will shoot the new alphamax.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: yajsab on November 05, 2008, 10:42:38 AM: I tied my own loop and never had one fail yet. I pulled the string pretty tight, squeezed them tight at the knot and used a lighter to burn the ends off then pushed the mushroom in to make it like a flat headed screw. I sure don't want to experience what you had. :chuckle:
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 05, 2008, 01:37:38 PM: Thats funny, hoyt is a very quiet bow, but a few people have said they thought they were loud.... anyways yes its 3.9 lbs very light with the new tec riser...... its just awesome to shoot........
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: demontang on November 05, 2008, 03:00:49 PM: I have seen the knotless loops and there in the air for me.

Most of the hoyt's I have shoot next to sound loud to me. :dunno:
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 05, 2008, 10:27:39 PM: Im really curious to what loud means to you .. there also could be a lot of varriables with those bows you heard, person shooting, type release etc.... my trykon is as quiet as any bow ive heard and my new alphamax is even better
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: BC CHASER on November 05, 2008, 10:36:44 PM: I had my string snap at full draw on my old Martin Rage. It scared the $#!t out of me.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: dreamingbig on November 06, 2008, 04:51:55 AM: I personally don't think Hoyt's are loud either... my trykon xl is whisper quiet. I can't wait to shoot the alphamax.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Gobble on November 06, 2008, 05:42:05 AM: Quote from: adnahoundsman on November 04, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Why are you pulling 85 #'s. :dunno: Seems to me you can break all kinds of *censored* at that rate. :rolleyes:

I bought a Pearson spoiler plus back in the early 90's that was advertised to be set at 70lbs at 225 fps. I had never shot a bow before and at the time the spoiler was the fastest bow on the market. Mine was the first one the bow shop had seen and he wanted me to shoot it to see how fast it reallywas. The arrows were unbeleivably fast so he wanted to use the chrono on them. If my memory serves me right it was over 300 fps, We threw the bow on the scale and the pull was set at 95lbs :yike: I am very strong and had no clue what to expect since this was my first bow. The only thing we could think of was they used the wrong limbs on it. I hunted with that bow until last year, but lowered it to 80 lbs
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: MIKEXRAY on November 06, 2008, 06:44:08 AM: I had an eight year old Hoyt and bought a new bow last year. I think the hoyts are noisier also, they vibrate more and seems like they vibrate longer. I shot a hoyt katera with string silencers ETC and the Mathews I bought seemed quieter overall. I also have worried about loop coming loose, this is the first bow I've shot with a loop (first year). I carry a spare in my pack in case it comes loose way up on the mountain. Good advice on waxing loop. Mike
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: funkster on November 06, 2008, 08:30:11 AM: Quote from: demontang on November 05, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
I have seen the knotless loops and there in the air for me.

Most of the Hoyt's I have shoot next to sound loud to me. :dunno:

May I ask why the knotless loops are in the air??

I will have to find the link but test show that Hoyt's are actually one of the loudest bows and came in close to last in every category tested. I am not knocking them because I feel there pluses out way the minuses. I like to refer to them as a "hunters bow" they can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.

Although I know thees are a few years old bows but this shows the noise measured at db's

Mathews drenalin 84.20 db
Pse x-force 84.27 db
Bowtech guardian 84.38 db
Hoyt vectrix 86.30 db

speed measured by chronograph bow's set IBO

Pse x-force 348 fps
Mathews drenalin 316fps
Bowtech guardian 316fps
Hoyt vectrix 308 fps

I am looking for a newer test if anyone has any numbers post them!
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: demontang on November 06, 2008, 11:56:59 AM: I havent seen anyone shooting with one so I dont know what to think yet. :dunno:
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: SCRUBS on November 06, 2008, 12:25:48 PM: I have never had one come loose or break, but i did have an issue with my release last year, it would release on it`s own. :o Sent it back and the manufacturer fixed it.
Title: Re: breaking release loop?
Post by: Bscman on November 06, 2008, 04:58:08 PM: Never had a D-loop break.

I bought a bunch of BCY 2mm toop material for a gal on archery talk (RedHDCharm). Very reasonable, and high quality stuff.

I tie a lot of loops on for myself and my buddies, and we've never had one fail. We replace 'em once or twice a year, and wax our loops and strings every ~75-100 shots.

The key is melting the correct "ball" on the end of the loop material, then waxing before tightening the knot. Then just examine it each time you wax, and replace when it looks warn.

I'd suggest going over your release for sharp edges or burrs if wear or breaking becomes common.