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Community => Butchering, Cooking, Recipes => Topic started by: Kc_Kracker on November 20, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
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Took momma to Larrys Brewery in Kent today, very cheap and fun. got her five 1-gallon jugs, and all the chemicals, air locks, lids, yeast, hydrometer, the works for $40. this will end up as 16 bottles of wine for her in 4 weeks. also got some goodies for daddy to be seen soon enough :tup:
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I have been brewing beer for a few years now. I just kegged a batch of pumpkin ale a couple weeks ago
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never tried it, so that being said i hope i got the right yeast for the right juices. she really wanted blackberry and raspberry but could not find those juices anywhere :dunno:
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Last years first try...ended up with 67 bottles, mostly blackberry and plum from nearby trees and bushes. Some huckleberry, and raspberry.
All on all, it cost me $200. This year,.since i already have the stuff...about 100 bottles and maybe $30. We also made several gallons of blackberry brandy. Enjoy..KC! :tup:
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so, you have water in the air lock, we have the juice were using in the air lock. does it matter?
also, one of the flavors we tries was pomegranate, and we made sure it was NO preservatives, but 16 hours after adding yeast all are making foam and bubbling, BUT that one. ideas? :o
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Yeah KC, that's bad. The air lock juice will begin to grow bacteria which will find their way into your wine.
I've never had a problem with just water. It won't grow bacteria if it's clean. An alcohol is best tho as it is self-sterilizing.
I'd have to read up on pomegranate but it may have an unusual property like really high acids or not enough nutrients for your yeast to take hold.
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crapola, thanks guy si didnt know about what to use in the air locks. i dont have any vodka, can i just use bourbon lol? and is it ok to remove them then sterilize and reinstall?
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crapola, thanks guy si didnt know about what to use in the air locks. i dont have any vodka, can i just use bourbon lol? and is it ok to remove them then sterilize and reinstall?
I just use water, sometimes I will add a little sodium bisulfite or campden tablets to it. I have actually had locks go dry and never had a problem. Even the juice would be fine as long as none is sucked back in when removing the stopper, but distilled water or vodka I guess, would be better.
What did you sterilize your juices with? It could be that it was still too active in the pomegranite one. I would add another batch of yeast to it, stirring the stuff in the bottom probably won't do much. I've made a lot of different wines and have pretty much used Premier Cuvee for all of the different juices. The various additives, like yeast nutrient, tannin, acid blends will often help the fruit juices work out better than just plain juice. Follow the recipes, I also add about twice as much juice and less water though as I like to really be able to taste the fruit. I have done watermelon, kiwi, and persimmon to name a few of the more odd ones. The watermelon one went bad on me though.
Good luck
BTW, making beer is called brewing, making wine is called vinting. ;)
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thanks loki, and everyone else :hello: i personally dont care for wine its too dry for me but wife loves it, i will take them off carefully, i have campden tablets i can toss in each lock with water :tup:
hey i wanna make some watermelon now that ill drink, "do the watermelon crawl" :IBCOOL:
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thanks loki, and everyone else :hello: i personally dont care for wine its too dry for me but wife loves it, i will take them off carefully, i have campden tablets i can toss in each lock with water :tup:
hey i wanna make some watermelon now that ill drink, "do the watermelon crawl" :IBCOOL:
Just be careful with the campden tablets and don't let it get into the carboy as it will kill the good yeast.
I've always used distilled or tap water and never had a problem.
If the Pomagranite doesn't go off by tomorrow i'd pitch more yeast. I have had batches of cider I rushed and i'm sure there was residual campden in the bucket.
have fun
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cider? what can you do with cider? :drool: they told me anything apple never tastes good :dunno: i REALLY want to make her blackberry but could not find any juice that was no preservatives :bash:
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cider? what can you do with cider? :drool: they told me anything apple never tastes good :dunno: i REALLY want to make her blackberry but could not find any juice that was no preservatives :bash:
Well, either press you own or buy CIDER WITH ZERO PRESERVATIVES.
I always use med brown sugar to get the numbers I need and pitch champagne yeast. Last batch I poured into canning jars and stored in the refer. It still has a natural "fizz" when opened.
Try pouring hot cider over a bucket of blackberries ( hot breaks the berry skin) and use a champagne yeast a couple hours later...
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Add the yeast nutrient to the pomegranet batch and if it still doesnt take off, i would throw in a pack of Lavlin EC-1118. Also, in my experience, some batches are much more vigorous during primary than others.
It will probably take much longer than 4 weeks to clarify and mellow. I automaticly plan on one year for cherry wine. This year i made peach wine and im at 5 months right now with sediment still falling out. Im shooting for august. Dont rush it, and plan to rack it over several times.
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:yeah: I figure on ignoring mine for about a year before bottling (after three or four rackings), I will often decant some before bottling as needed.
You can get sweeter wine by checking it as it works and stopping the ferment with the sugar levels where you want them. You have to use sulfites though or a really, really good filter. I have tried sweetening wine after it was done but always ended up with an "off" flavor. A few years ago Mtn Dew put out a sweetened with real sugar soda instead of corn syrup. It had that same "off" flavor to me, so the next time I sweeten wine, I will try corn syrup. I usually sweeten a dry wine at the time of drinking it so I don't have to use the chemicals. I like sweet wines.
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cider? what can you do with cider? :drool: they told me anything apple never tastes good :dunno: i REALLY want to make her blackberry but could not find any juice that was no preservatives :bash:
Cider is good too, you can do sparkling and bottle it like bear or you can do apple wine. The same thing happens with cider as wine though, it can get real dry (not sweet ;) ). I've seen people drink homebrew cider and beer right out of the bottle, yuck, unless you like the taste of yeast sludge.
The last blackberry I made, I used something like 45 pounds of berries for 5 gallons, pure juice, a lot of work but wow. I would think you could find organic juice?
I added lots of sugar to a cherry batch many years ago figuring that the yeast would die off at 15 or so % alcohol and le3ave a bunch of residual sugar, it actually finished out at 21%. :yike: This is my "happy wife" wine. :chuckle:
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cider? what can you do with cider? :drool: they told me anything apple never tastes good :dunno: i REALLY want to make her blackberry but could not find any juice that was no preservatives :bash:
Cider is good too, you can do sparkling and bottle it like bear or you can do apple wine. The same thing happens with cider as wine though, it can get real dry (not sweet ;) ). I've seen people drink homebrew cider and beer right out of the bottle, yuck, unless you like the taste of yeast sludge.
The last blackberry I made, I used something like 45 pounds of berries for 5 gallons, pure juice, a lot of work but wow. I would think you could find organic juice?
I added lots of sugar to a cherry batch many years ago figuring that the yeast would die off at 15 or so % alcohol and le3ave a bunch of residual sugar, it actually finished out at 21%. :yike: This is my "happy wife" wine. :chuckle:
I think there are some yeasts that die off at a higher alcohol content.
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cider? what can you do with cider? :drool: they told me anything apple never tastes good :dunno: i REALLY want to make her blackberry but could not find any juice that was no preservatives :bash:
Cider is good too, you can do sparkling and bottle it like bear or you can do apple wine. The same thing happens with cider as wine though, it can get real dry (not sweet ;) ). I've seen people drink homebrew cider and beer right out of the bottle, yuck, unless you like the taste of yeast sludge.
The last blackberry I made, I used something like 45 pounds of berries for 5 gallons, pure juice, a lot of work but wow. I would think you could find organic juice?
I added lots of sugar to a cherry batch many years ago figuring that the yeast would die off at 15 or so % alcohol and le3ave a bunch of residual sugar, it actually finished out at 21%. :yike: This is my "happy wife" wine. :chuckle:
I think there are some yeasts that die off at a higher alcohol content.
I don't care if they have to GMO it, I want some yeasts that die off at certain KNOWN percents. :)
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ok so i got my airlocks cleaned, sterile, and reinstalled with water in them :tup:
i notice my sugar in the bottom of the jug, because i tried to stir them up, is almost rock hard, is this normal? so do i add anything else for the month wait or just watch? i bought a hydrometer but no idea when to use it :dunno:
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You can use the hygrometer a couple of ways. One is to test your juice as you add sugar. This will allow you to put enough sugar in to get to the alcohol level that you desire. As the sugar is eaten up, the hygrometer will approach the level of plain water and actually be less dense as alcohol is less dense than water. You can also measure the S.G. of your juice in the beginning and then again at the end, the change in S.G. will give you the approximate alcohol percentage.
Regarding sugar in the bottom, you should dissolve all of the sugar as it is added. Sometimes, you will need to heat the juice a bit to dissolve all of the sugar you want in there. Once your yeast starts to settle, you do not want to mix it back up into the juice. The sugar you have on the bottom is gone now. If you desire to increase alcohol content, you can add more dissolved sugar later, before the ferment is over.
A quick question... did you do a primary ferment in a bucket/garbage can and then rack to your carbuoy or did you mix it and add it directly to the carbuoy? If the second is the case, you had better put those jugs into a bin or something so when they bubble over they don't make too much of a mess. The first fermentation is an aerobic (with Oxygen) one, this creates lots of foam and bubbles and will usually blow out the top of a carbouy. During the primary ferment (in a bucket or clean garbage can with a tight weave cloth towel over it) you want to stir it once a day, if I recall. This will allow the yeast to use up all of the oxygen, don't stir super vigorously or you will just add O2 back to it. Once the foaming/bubbling has calmed down, about 4 days to a week, then it should be siphoned off into the carbuoy. Be sure to put the end of your tubing all the way to the bottom of the empty jug as you do not want to add air to it since the more O2 in there now, the less alcohol will be produced. Try not to get too much sludge into the jug, a bit doesn't really hurt though.
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so i should add sugar if its hardened to the bottom of the jug? its still bubbling air every second but in the jug its hardened. so how do i add dissolved sugar? i didnt use any water at all just pure juice. im so lost :bash:
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afa the settled sugar: there are a couple ways to deal with your oops. Here's what I would do. real soon. Prep more bottles. Transfer most of your liquid to the new sterile bottle. Warm the rest of the liquid and caked sugar until it dissolves. Cool it down and pour it back in.
You can try to guestimate how much sugar is settled and replace it but that would be tricky. You could leave it alone and the yeast may eventually work thru that sugar. Eventually. Maybe.
It is possible that your oops is beneficial if you are trying to make a really high alcohol wine. In essence you have started your fermentation with a low sugar level and later you would be hitting it with a 2nd dose of sugar. this is a common method for making really high alcohol wines because if you put ALL of the needed sugar in all at once the yeast is overloaded and can't get started. Too much sugar can kill some yeasts.
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so i should add sugar if its hardened to the bottom of the jug? its still bubbling air every second but in the jug its hardened. so how do i add dissolved sugar? i didnt use any water at all just pure juice. im so lost :bash:
There are two ways to add sugar after the ferment has started. One is to draw out some of the juice and stir it in, you may have to heat it to dissolve enough. You will likely lose whatever alcohol has formed in the liquid that is heated. This is where your SG reading at the beginning would have been beneficial as you could tell how much has been converted to alcohol already and then add accordingly. The other way, and this might be the easiest, is to mix up a sugar syrup and use it to top off your carbuoy each time after you rack it. This is a good time as you should always have a full jug and you will be losing volume that is left behind with the dead yeast.
There is a tool called a vin-o-meter that is a tiny glass funnel with a gradiated capillary tube attached to it. You can put some of your wine into it, wait for it to drip through, then turn it upside down. As gravity pulls your wine out, it will stop at a certain level because of the attraction that water molecules have for each other. The more alcohol, the less attraction, and the farther it will fall down the tube. This reading is not entirely accurate hwile there is still a bunch of sugar, but it could be close. I have calibrated mine by testing wines with "known" alcohol contents as it does seem to be about 2% off.
If you have not picked up a good beginning wine making book, I would suggest you do so. It may be even more beneficial for you now as you have specific questions to watch for. Sorry I have no suggestions for such book.
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so, you have water in the air lock, we have the juice were using in the air lock. does it matter?
also, one of the flavors we tries was pomegranate, and we made sure it was NO preservatives, but 16 hours after adding yeast all are making foam and bubbling, BUT that one. ideas? :o
use vodka or better yet ever clear.
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:yeah: did you put your sugar in water and bring to boil and mix completely up before adding to your carboy?should not have hardened up on the bottom...I suggest you watch a utube video you are getting some bad advise here in my op. :twocents:
What bad advice? I don't think anyone told him to just pour it into the juice and stir.... I try to use pure juice when I make wine so I don't have water to dissolve my sugar into, however, I do heat the juice enough to get it to dissolve.
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Huh? That's quite helpful, I guess.
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Steve, are you saying its bad advice to put water in the wine or bad to put the water in the airlock (bubbler)? Please elaborate. I
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Im not arguing with you, just tying to be clear about your point. The acohol in the airlock is a good idea. I have never done that and have never had a problem with clean water and sterilized equipment. I think i will in the future. Loki has been spot on with his advice.
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Its bad to use anything in the airlock that wont kill airborne bacteria on contact.I use vodka because if it does happen to get in my drink it wont hurt it at all.when you clean your equipment before putting your drink in it to ferment or age you can simply put some of it in your carboy,but if it accidentally does get in your carboy it to can ruin it.if you ever open the lid on your carboy because it is stuck during fermentation you risk ruining it,if you open it to draw off it to check the abv. you risk it.You can always get away with things like water sure until you dont.I have tried all sorts of stuff over the last 30 years making brew,wine,and other stuff lol.you can take this advice or not really doesnt matter to me i probably wont have the pleasure of drinking yours.But there is a real distinct possability that you have tasted or will taste mine if you drink,or go to competitions for homebrew,or micro beers.I have a porter that took me almost 6 months in 55 deg. to brew up.it is 13.9 abv want some of it?
No.
Look up Louis Pasteur, see if he used alcohol in his airlock. Nope. You don't even need to put a liquid in it, the water simply helps you tell how actively it is working. A person is much more likely to get contamination while racking than from an airlock, filled with juice, water, alcohol, or nothing at all. Sure, you risk drawing liquid into your jug removing the lock, if you overfill it, but that's why they have a fill line on it.
So, mr I'm god's gift to brewing, stick it!!! :rolleyes:
Fastdam, thanks.
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Cool thread. This looks fun...wonder if it could save me as much money as reloading :drool:
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Cool thread. This looks fun...wonder if it could save me as much money as reloading :drool:
Once you have your equipment its almost free. Get your fruit freee, then buy sugar, yeast, caps/corks, and sterilizer of some sort. Campbden tablets and sulfites are optional.
Homemade booze is way better yhan commercial stuff in my opinion.
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Pasteurizing, sterilizing, if you are boiling your water with sugar or adding sulfites, you are doing the same thing. Also, things that "crawl" can't "create" wild yeast. Yeast can only move to where it is moved, it does not move on it's own. I love the closet biologists that don't know much about actual biology. :bash: Also, you are much more likely to get bacterial contamination than wild yeast contamination (which is not the same thing) once your juice is in the jug.
I don't disagree that vodka might be a good idea, however, it's not the ONLY idea or way to keep the brew clean. Also, your are jumping between airlocks and dissolving sugar, which is it that us peons can't do right?
Is that too argumentative? Maybe you should just try to be helpful when commenting on a thread instead of just negative?
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steve you cam in out of nowhere pretty insulting, i think it was just harsher than you intended :tup:
ok so, in all the arguing i am still lost. its been 7 days, the hardened sugar in the bottom of the jugs is almost gone, i still have tiny air bubbles every few seconds, and i never got the foam and sludge i was told i would need to clean out.
do i just let them keep going? do i need to add more sugar, or do anything at all at this point? :dunno:
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when the bubbles slow down to only one bubble in the airlock,every three minutes, rack it over into a clean, sterilized carboy or jug. This is also a good time to use your hydrometer. Your hydrometer should read below 1.000. I would let it clarify in the new jug for a few months and then rack it again......and repeat this until there is absolutely no sediment in the bottom of the jug. When its clean and clear, bottle it. When you first started out, if you used your hydrometer, it would have been a good idea to add sugar until your hydrometer read 1.080. (My preference). Then when you take the second reading at the first racking you could verify that primary firmentation has taken place. Next time you can do that, but if it reads 1.000 or lower when the bubbles slow like i said, it will be wine. Dont rush it. It will taste better after mellowing in the bottle for a few months. Making wine is great fun. So much anticipation. What you have will work fine dont worry about the sugar not mixing well. It will be digested by the yeast. With wine i dissolve sugar in water and mix it, with cider i add brown sugar directly to the must and mix well. Works great.
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so what about the ones with NO sugar left? :dunno: the directions from the brewery said this was a 4 week vint then its done
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Just wait until the bubbles slow to one bubble every three minutes. The measure it and taste it. It takes me 4 or 5 months to make clear cider. At least a year for wine. I think you could drink the cider after only a few months, but the ciders that mellow for a year are my favorite.
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Just wait until the bubbles slow to one bubble every three minutes. The measure it and taste it. It takes me 4 or 5 months to make clear cider. At least a year for wine. I think you could drink the cider after only a few months, but the ciders that mellow for a year are my favorite.
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the kit i used said 4 weeks. what temp should the wine be in? anyone care to school me on how to use the hydrometer? im pretty lost with it :bash:
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the kit i used said 4 weeks. what temp should the wine be in? anyone care to school me on how to use the hydrometer? im pretty lost with it :bash:
Did you get the tall clear cylinder with the hydrometer? Fill it, or a glass that is tall enough to submerge the hydrometer, about to the top. You want to leave enough space so the volume of the hydrometer does not overflow the cylinder. Slowly place the cylinder in the liquid and see what level it floats at. Be sure to read to the bottom of the liquid line as it will climb up the sides of the cylinder slightly. Do this the same way you would measure water in a clear measuring cup, to the meniscus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus)
Depending which scale you look at, you should be able to read the specific gravity reading. Now, if you had done this in the beginning, you could subtract the second reading and get the change in S.G. This would give you an approximate alcohol content. Since you don't have the beginning reading, you can't get as much info from this tool.
It would really be helpful for you to get a beginning winemaking book.
As Fastdam has stated, just wait until the bubbling has slowed quite a bit, then rack the wine. This slight agitation will likely pick up the yeast activity for a bit, leave it sit until it rarely bubbles, rack it again, let sit for a week or more and rack again. The longer you let it sit between rackings, the fewer times you should need to rack. Too many rackings could cause problems since, if I recall corectly, you only started with a gallon of each and you will lose some wine with each rack. If you let the sludge sit for a long time, it will also stick together better and not stir up quite as easily.
As far as temperature, 60-70 always seemed to work for me and is easy to do this time of year. This does depend on your yeasts and other factors though.
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i do have those initial readings, i will get readings current and post all so you can tell me how to read it, i tried web sites and they made no sense. also, by racking do you mean filtering? if so, when i filter it, by siphon method, do i leave the thicker hazy wine in the bottom of the jug and top off with water and or more sugar?
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number taken before adding sugar and chemicals
Balling specific gravity PAV
18 74 10%
readings as of tonight
Balling specific gravity PAV
10 72 20%
first reading is at 69 degrees, second reading is at 67 degrees.
so gurus, what does this tell me? it going to be weak or strong? dry and bitter or sweet?
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number taken before adding sugar and chemicals
Balling specific gravity PAV
18 74 10%
readings as of tonight
Balling specific gravity PAV
10 72 20%
first reading is at 69 degrees, second reading is at 67 degrees.
so gurus, what does this tell me? it going to be weak or strong? dry and bitter or sweet?
These numbers don't seem to go together looking at my hydrometer. ?? The temp is close enough to not make a significant difference and should be close enough to the 60 degrees that most are calibrated for.
At a SG of 1.074 mine shows a PAV of 9.5% and Balling of 18.5
At a PAV of 20% mine shows a SG of 1.115 and Balling of 35
If the SG readings are 1.072 and 1.074, there has essentially been no change. Your SG should drop to pretty close to 1.000 as the yeast will generally eat until there is no sugar left to eat. The recipes in the one book I could find start at 1.085 to 1.100. IMO, most homemade wines will be on the dry side unless the ferment is artificially stopped or stops due to lack of nutrients.
Normally, you would take the starting SG or PAV and then subtract the ending PAV to get your approximate alcohol content. The higher the Brix or Balling number, at the end of ferment, the more sugar there is remaining and the sweeter it will be.
I hope some of this helps. I don't know what you should do at this point.
BTW, racking is carefully removing the clear portion of the liquid off of the sediment, you should let it settle enough that the yeast is fairly solid and not "hazy". Sitting too long is probably better than not sitting long enough. You can top off with water if you don't want to encourage additional ferment, or sugar water if you want more alcohol. By adding to it, it changes your SG results slightly, depending what you add. The advantage of keeping your jug topped off is there is less chance for oxygen to get mixed in.
Please try to find a beginning wine book, it should be a lot more helpful than the bits you get here.
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ok so i think i have a better grasp on this now after a good book thanks guys :tup: just started 4 more gallons of different flavors. one gallon of the previous is almost done, it stopped venting a week ago and now its crystal clear, it was mango fruit wine, came out at 10% and VERY good :tup: thanks for all the help hopefully i can get better from here :IBCOOL:
oh and now im fermenting a special gallon of onion / garlic wine for cooking :tup:
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kennys brewery supply in kent. same road as winco 5 blocks west :tup:
1 gallon bottles $3 each
air locks $1.50
chemicals $2
then just buy the juice
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kennys brewery supply in kent. same road as winco 5 blocks west :tup:
1 gallon bottles $3 each
air locks $1.50
chemicals $2
then just buy the juice
For the same amount of effort, 5 gallon carbouys can be made and you get more than four bottles in the end. :tup:
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agreed we just figured we would start cheap and small til we had a clue, were looking at carboys for the next 10 gallons :chuckle:
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kennys brewery supply in kent. same road as winco 5 blocks west :tup:
1 gallon bottles $3 each
air locks $1.50
chemicals $2
then just buy the juice
oops i meant to say LARRYS Brewery supply
:chuckle: 7405 S 212th St # 103, Kent, WA 98032
(253) 872-6846
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ok so did alot of reading on jack kellers site, good info, but now its been down and i have some wine ready to bottle. so anything i need to do before i bottle and cork it? this will be our first bottled :tup: its down to .999 SG and crystal clear :IBCOOL:
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ok so did alot of reading on jack kellers site, good info, but now its been down and i have some wine ready to bottle. so anything i need to do before i bottle and cork it? this will be our first bottled :tup: its down to .999 SG and crystal clear :IBCOOL:
Leave it for another few weeks to make sure it is done working, or put it somewhere after bottling that a mess won't matter. :rolleyes: If you are in a hurry to drink it, you can rack it into a jar or decanter for now. My dad had to repaint our kitchen once due to bottling some Welch's grape wine a little too soon. :yike:
How's it taste and which one is it?
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So, have you built a wine cellar yet kracker? planning ahead...
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ok so did alot of reading on jack kellers site, good info, but now its been down and i have some wine ready to bottle. so anything i need to do before i bottle and cork it? this will be our first bottled :tup: its down to .999 SG and crystal clear :IBCOOL:
Leave it for another few weeks to make sure it is done working, or put it somewhere after bottling that a mess won't matter. :rolleyes: If you are in a hurry to drink it, you can rack it into a jar or decanter for now. My dad had to repaint our kitchen once due to bottling some Welch's grape wine a little too soon. :yike:
How's it taste and which one is it?
mango, it has not had a single bubble in the airlock for 3 weeks, so its spent 3 week clearing, its now crystal clear :tup: tastes DAMN GOOD, so i assumed its done, i was worried about it restarting fermentation I keep reading about :dunno:
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Now that's clear! I got 1.5 gallons of this!
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That looks nice. Three weeks, sounds good, bottle away and enjoy.
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1- what do i add to sweeten it a bit?
2-is there anything i ad before bottling?
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52 bottles made the other night. We didnt have enought bottles left to do the other 6 gallons of blackberry that's ready.
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Plus, we started a six gallon batch of mountain huckleberry, along a gallon of huckleberry brandy and two gallons of blackberry brandy. :IBCOOL:
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niiiiice :drool:
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nevermind i got this :IBCOOL:
I Put a dose of potassium metabisulfate to protect it. then added some sorbate to prevent any live yeast from starting to ferment the leftover sugars, just in case. then ill degas it to be sure, and shelf it :IBCOOL:
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If you've added all those chemicals and still want to sweeten it, you can add sugar. I think sugar gives a bit of an off taste and will usually add 7-up when serving to sweeten it. I am going to try sweetening with corn syrup the next time I want to do this.
Next time, if you are willing to add the chemicals, just add them when the wine is as sweet as you want it to be and then let it settle and bottle. I don't like the chemicals so most of my wines end up actually too dry for my tastes.
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do you do the degassing thing? seems like degassing would just make it flat but then again i really dont get that part and why
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Not sure what degassing is, all the CO2 should have bubbled out? :dunno:
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on vinting forums they babble nonstop about degassing every batch pre-bottling
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I found this on one forum: Don't forget that you only degas if necessary. For kit wines, generally yes. For other wines, not necessary and in fact can damage the wine due to the aeration. So, follow the directions in you kit concerning degassing.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'd be more worried about getting O2 into the wine than CO2 out.
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i want to bottle it today but i dont have any potassium metabisulfate or sorbate yet the dumb brewery supply is closed :bash:
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i want to bottle it today but i dont have any potassium metabisulfate or sorbate yet the dumb brewery supply is closed :bash:
I never use these before bottling, the sulfites make me congested, that's why I wait extra time before bottling. I have never had a bottle blow up or pop a cork.
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everything i read said that is to make sure to re-fermentation starts and it should always be used :dunno: anyhow, how much to you fill each bottle? does it matter? i assume it would
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"Always" and "never" are often used by people that think they know best. :dunno:
Do you have one of the bottle filling tubes that has the little push-pin valve on the bottom? You should. This allows you to fill the bottle without aerating the wine like it would if you just used your tubing and did not make sure it was on the bottom of the bottle.
As far as how full, I use the valve tube and fill the bottle until the liquid hits the rim and then pull the tube out. The volume that the tube took up will be just right for the fill level of the bottle.
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nope no idea what that is
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KC, something like this - https://www.midwestsupplies.com/plastic-spring-tip-bottle-filler.html?utm_medium=feeds&utm_source=google&gdftrk=gdfV24959_a_7c1306_a_7c6184_a_7c6800&gclid=CNyymICD17sCFeU5Qgod3SQAbA (https://www.midwestsupplies.com/plastic-spring-tip-bottle-filler.html?utm_medium=feeds&utm_source=google&gdftrk=gdfV24959_a_7c1306_a_7c6184_a_7c6800&gclid=CNyymICD17sCFeU5Qgod3SQAbA)
The only tough thing with it is filling the bottles that have the big hump on the bottom.
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Bottled a batch of Yakima Valley Cab/Syrah today. :tup: Still fermenting, Fresh Banana, Hucklebery, White grape/ raspberry, & a Cinnamon wine. Some interesting new tries.
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very cool and i like the labels :tup: we so far did our mango which was UH_MAY_ZING! this week will be bottling garlic wine, jalapeno wine, and onion wine for cooking and marinating :IBCOOL:
and fermenting is
more mango
cranberry
rasberry
blackberry
white grape
yakima cab
:tup: needless to say we have to buy some bottles but CL is the place, a local guy is hooking us up with 5 dozen cleaned and de-labeled clear bottles for $20 (happy dance) :IBCOOL:
now i just need a corker :sry:
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Hey KC, I am a good de-corker :chuckle:
We save all our bottles from store bought wine, and also have friends save them for us. Most clean up easily, if they don't, use some goo gone orange cleaner on the old labels, followed by soapy water and sanitizer :tup:
The Mango sounds awesome, will try that when I free up a jug
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so, you have water in the air lock, we have the juice were using in the air lock. does it matter?
also, one of the flavors we tries was pomegranate, and we made sure it was NO preservatives, but 16 hours after adding yeast all are making foam and bubbling, BUT that one. ideas? :o
I've been brewing beer for years and have had problems a couple of times with water in the airlock so started using vodka. I buy the cheapest junk vodka in the store and use it for all kinds of stuff, like sanitizing stuff that will come in contact with the batch, like racking canes and so on. Just to be sure the vodka hasn't gone bad I sip on a bit of it from time to time too. Can't be too careful.
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yes thats whats in all of ours now :tup:
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so i can say after a thorough testing of this hobby its alot of fun! We had to buy a 200 bottle wine rack and were up to around 70 bottles done. I just cracked opwn my first bottle of Pomegranate which is sitting right at 12%, very full aromatic and tad sweet, with a heck of a kick :chuckle: Its goes great wit smoked oysters and smoked cheese on crackers i will say :drool:
I just started 5 gallons of strawberry wine with 50 lbs of fresh everbearings nice and ripe, I went with 50 lbs to keep the strawberry flavor from getting covered up by alcohol flavor because am going to back kick it with some everclear and shoot for 18-20%, ya some serious strawberry flavored nitro we shall see how it turns out :IBCOOL:
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so i can say after a thorough testing of this hobby its alot of fun! We had to buy a 200 bottle wine rack and were up to around 70 bottles done. I just cracked opwn my first bottle of Pomegranate which is sitting right at 12%, very full aromatic and tad sweet, with a heck of a kick :chuckle: Its goes great wit smoked oysters and smoked cheese on crackers i will say :drool:
I just started 5 gallons of strawberry wine with 50 lbs of fresh everbearings nice and ripe, I went with 50 lbs to keep the strawberry flavor from getting covered up by alcohol flavor because am going to back kick it with some everclear and shoot for 18-20%, ya some serious strawberry flavored nitro we shall see how it turns out :IBCOOL:
One bottle of Pomegranate sounds about right for my consulting fees... I love sweet wines. ;)
The strawberry sounds like it will be great. I like doing pure juice wines instead of the 4-5 pounds per gallon as most recipes seem to call for. If you add a little citric acid it will help maintain the color and keep it from oxidizing toward brown. The "acid blend" that you get from the wine supply stores probably does something similar.
I had a cherry wine finish at 21% once with no fortification, yowza, that's my "happy wife" wine. :chuckle:
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I had a cherry wine finish at 21% once with no fortification, yowza, that's my "happy wife" wine. :chuckle:
Might need to test that on the Angry Squaw. Always wondered what it would be like to be married to a happy wife :chuckle:
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no problem loki ill save ya one :tup: the wife named our stuff finally, since we have boxers she named it boxer drool :chuckle: now i need to make some labels somehow
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Lots of good labels available for printers. Back in the day, I made a master sheet, by hand for four labels that I could just fill in date, % alcohol and type of wine.
KC, I just went to look for one of my old labels and discovered two boxes of Pomegranate wine from 2008... forgot all about it. I'd still love to try yours. ;) We'll have to have ours with backstrap tonight for dinner. I'll try to find one of my old labels, they were pretty cool.
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NIIIICE :tup: ya we have a few wine makers wanting to have a get together and sample night, sounds like a nice summer day BBQ to me :D
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no problem loki ill save ya one :tup: the wife named our stuff finally, since we have boxers she named it boxer drool :chuckle: now i need to make some labels somehow
Office supply stores should have an arched label made by avery. Thats what we use, easy to design, and they come off the bottle fairly easy when its time to re bottle. Look with all the other printer labels
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easy to remove, now THAT i like!
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Here is our latest label. Cheers
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Bottled a small batch of fresh banana wine today. 6 months of fermenting done, needs to age for a year now :yike: :bash:(according to the recipe)
They were right, tastes like banana fire water right now (aprox. 20% ABV), but with time will become a mellow banana flavor. Who knew the ugly colored mash would come out so pretty :dunno:
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That looks nice. Are you willing to share the recipe, or your source for it if it is online?
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The recipe came from a web site I found by a Jack Keller.
winemaking.jackkeller.net/
Tons of recipes, and info there.
I love anything banana so its killing me to have to wait so long to try it. :(
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if its jack keller then its spot on :tup:
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Bottled a small batch of fresh banana wine today. 6 months of fermenting done, needs to age for a year now :yike: :bash:(according to the recipe)
They were right, tastes like banana fire water right now (aprox. 20% ABV), but with time will become a mellow banana flavor. Who knew the ugly colored mash would come out so pretty :dunno:
that seems a tad off since everything ive read on whites says to drink within a year and never age over 6-12 months. :dunno:
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Bottled a small batch of fresh banana wine today. 6 months of fermenting done, needs to age for a year now :yike: :bash:(according to the recipe)
They were right, tastes like banana fire water right now (aprox. 20% ABV), but with time will become a mellow banana flavor. Who knew the ugly colored mash would come out so pretty :dunno:
that seems a tad off since everything ive read on whites says to drink within a year and never age over 6-12 months. :dunno:
Don't believe everything you read. We just had a 2007 bottle of plum (not a white, but not real dark either) and a bottle of 2008 pomegranate last night at a neighbor's barbecue. Both tasted the same, or maybe better, than when bottled.
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Our newest wines / labels :brew:
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I'd like to join the party. First real attempt at wine making. ive got a 3 gallon batch of blackberry wine. picked fresh fruit throughout the summer and froze until i had enough. just finished the 2 racking last week. so far so good, but i wish i had taken a S.G. reading at the beginning.
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Another batch of Cabernet bottled yesterday, and a test gallon of fresh peach is in the works. :brew:
T.R.E,s- stands for our 3 Labs--Timber, Raven, Echo :)
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Looks good!
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