Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on November 28, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
Post by: Mudman on November 28, 2013, 08:46:04 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 28, 2013, 09:34:59 AM
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Post by: Bullkllr on November 28, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
How much of the meat is affected?
Hate to lose any meat. Research, and plan on cooking well would be my plan as well. It may be fine if it's similar to "rice breast".
Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on November 28, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
Post by: Hunting7mm on November 28, 2013, 09:54:28 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on November 28, 2013, 10:01:23 AM
Pretty rare in cervids(deer or elk) but more common in canine.
Hope that helps. :tup:
Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on November 28, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 28, 2013, 10:19:23 AM
Post by: Vulcan on November 28, 2013, 10:28:10 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on November 28, 2013, 10:30:17 AM
Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on November 28, 2013, 12:33:58 PM
Let us know how much of it you eat and any ill effects? Someone should test out this theory of it being safe. I wouldn't even feed it to my dog.
I'd cook some up but I don't want to be just a "statistic" if I die from it :P
Post by: bobcat on November 28, 2013, 05:37:56 PM
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=5715705#post5715705 (http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=5715705#post5715705)
Post by: Okanagan on November 28, 2013, 06:30:58 PM
Interesting- someone just posted pictures on ifish of what may be the same thing, but this is in deer meat:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=5715705#post5715705 (http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=5715705#post5715705)
Don't know what the spiro gyro cysts are in the elk meat of the OP, but re this link, I killed a blacktail in WA several years ago that had some of the small white spheres in the meat shown in the link. I phoned a WA State biologist who told me that they are nematodes, a cyst stage of hair loss parasite I think he said. The white spheres are not harmful to humans whether cooked or not, but we cooked it well done and cut out the few we found.
The spiral white worms shown in the elk meat look more ominous to me.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on November 29, 2013, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: MADMAX on November 29, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
looks like stuff I have seen in livers I tossed
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on November 29, 2013, 12:04:29 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 29, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on November 29, 2013, 08:15:34 PM
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Post by: Mtn.Ghost on November 29, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Post by: FC on November 29, 2013, 08:55:56 PM
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on November 29, 2013, 09:07:40 PM
http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/disease_emergence/Chapter5.pdf (http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/disease_emergence/Chapter5.pdf)
Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on November 30, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Any chance the animal also had hoof rot?
No hoof rot in any of the 3 bulls shot here.
"Mnt. Gohst" I looked at those descriptions and it looks to me like fig. 2.13 actually looks the most similar, I plan to just cut that section out since it's only about a pound or two.
Thanks for the info fellas.
Post by: billythekidrock on December 03, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
Any chance the animal also had hoof rot?
No hoof rot in any of the 3 bulls shot here.
"Mnt. Gohst" I looked at those descriptions and it looks to me like fig. 2.13 actually looks the most similar, I plan to just cut that section out since it's only about a pound or two.
Thanks for the info fellas.
Does anyone know who to contact with WDFW about this?
My cow is covered with these and according to the document posted above "Severely affected carcasses are condemned as unfit for human consumption."
Post by: Coasthunterjay on December 03, 2013, 08:50:05 PM
I would probably start with contacting your closest WDFW office. http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regions/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regions/)
or WDFW Public Affairs @ (360) 902-2250 (I know they assist with CWD stuff so thats a option also)
If they don't help (They should) I would see if your local GMU biologist has any answers.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/wildlife_district_bios.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/wildlife_district_bios.pdf)
I had looked this up previously..so hopefully this helps.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on December 03, 2013, 10:30:45 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 04, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on December 04, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 04, 2013, 05:20:18 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on December 04, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 04, 2013, 05:27:50 PM
Dinner at the in laws, see if they have any problems, then you'll know if it's safe for you!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I wish. They all live too far away. lol
Post by: billythekidrock on December 04, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
I only found it on one of the rear quarters
Daniel, were you able to cut out the bad parts? How deep were they?
Post by: predatorpro on December 04, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on December 04, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
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Post by: Daniel hammerstrom on December 04, 2013, 06:31:12 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 05, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
Post by: Special T on December 05, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
Post by: Curly on December 05, 2013, 12:38:39 PM
I showed some pics to a bio today. he wants some one to look at it first hand. Waiting on a call back to set it up.
Hopefully WDFW doesn't dilly dally around so long that you end up with maggots on the meat besides the other crawly things on there. :o
;)
:chuckle:
(Although, I guess the way the weather is now, you probably have to keep it in the cooler just to keep it from freezing solid).
Post by: billythekidrock on December 06, 2013, 07:16:44 AM
I showed some pics to a bio today. he wants some one to look at it first hand. Waiting on a call back to set it up.
Hopefully WDFW doesn't dilly dally around so long that you end up with maggots on the meat besides the other crawly things on there. :o
;)
:chuckle:
(Although, I guess the way the weather is now, you probably have to keep it in the cooler just to keep it from freezing solid).
Your joking, right? lol
Post by: billythekidrock on December 06, 2013, 07:27:09 AM
From the hind quarter just under the hide.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2FIMG_042610.JPG&hash=3f08ad906146d5b2556c26f3a181fe426cdb7d7c)
From alongside the backstrap.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2FIMG_04498.JPG&hash=e40f30448f58ca7b2416ee6ba6f637161862a4b4)
From inside the tenderloin.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2FIMG_04638.JPG&hash=ea5554ab94bd09ede14cf2f73b99c9418c4716ac)
The bio said they see this a couple times a year in elk but that it is more prevalent in deer. When I asked what it was he said he couldn't remember, but that he thought it was Blow Fly larva.
He took three phone numbers for me and said he would have another bio or someone from enforcement all me to look at it and possibly pick it up so I could get another tag.
Post by: Curly on December 06, 2013, 07:30:28 AM
Post by: fireweed on December 06, 2013, 07:56:43 AM
It's a tape worm larvae cyst. Ok for human consumption but very bad for dogs. Should be easily removed if your overly weirded out by it. As long as you cook it, they won't harm you.
Pretty rare in cervids(deer or elk) but more common in canine.
Hope that helps. :tup:
I've had tape worm cysts in wa. moose and Eastern Wa deer. Sent picts to WDFW vet and confirmed. Older moose had lots and they did NOT look like this. The tape worm cysts were more in a bubble of fluid, with a "grain of rice" or lump of fat look. Did not have a zig-zag worm shape at all.
Post by: Curly on December 06, 2013, 08:01:11 AM
He took three phone numbers for me and said he would have another bio or someone from enforcement all me to look at it and possibly pick it up so I could get another tag.
Hope they get to you in time to get the tag before the season is over. :(
Post by: billythekidrock on December 06, 2013, 08:03:56 AM
After some discussion I let him know that I would take my chances with the cow.
*Having a tag re-issued is not a guarantee since it is on a case by case basis and on in rare instances does it happen.
*There is not much time left to hunt.
*Because we hadn't heard back from a bio last night, we started processing steaks and had very little trim to toss and things looked pretty good.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on December 06, 2013, 08:30:30 AM
He took three phone numbers for me and said he would have another bio or someone from enforcement all me to look at it and possibly pick it up so I could get another tag.
BTKR that's good to hear that they would even consider replacing your tag. I appreciate them being interested in actually seeing the meat also. Would be nice to have a more definite answer. But good to hear. Good pictures also.
Post by: Vulcan on December 06, 2013, 07:41:15 PM
Post by: Lingcod on December 06, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on December 06, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
Post by: Vulcan on December 07, 2013, 10:01:20 AM
I wouldnt risk eating it or feeding it to my two daughters...waste or not that cow would be coyote food
:yeah:
Post by: ICEMAN on December 08, 2013, 07:43:11 PM
I wouldnt risk eating it or feeding it to my two daughters...waste or not that cow would be coyote food
I would trim and eat. Good grief guys, ever eat a hotdog? Get over it.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 08, 2013, 08:01:56 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 08, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Let us know how much of it you eat and any ill effects? Someone should test out this theory of it being safe. I wouldn't even feed it to my dog.That's what I am saying ....I can not stand to see hair in my food :dunno: :chuckle: and I sure in heck am not eating that sheeeet !
:twocents:
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on December 14, 2013, 12:33:23 AM
I wouldnt risk eating it or feeding it to my two daughters...waste or not that cow would be coyote food
I would trim and eat. Good grief guys, ever eat a hotdog? Get over it.
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That's natural selection for ya :bash:why not just feed your family a bowl full of unidentified parasites and see what happens? I understand all that was put into getting the animal and how bad it sucks to be out the bounty but there is no way I would risk the safety and health of my family by feeding them some meat laden with parasites that have not been definitively identified by a professional deeming it safe for consumption. Take the loss and live another day!! This is like playing Russian roulette with a loaded semi auto pistol :bash: :twocents:
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on December 14, 2013, 10:32:10 AM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on December 14, 2013, 05:13:04 PM
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on December 15, 2013, 05:20:59 PM
Seriously? Whats with all the tough guys? Ill bet half of you saying to cook well and eat, wouldnt! If you would, well thats disgusting. Ok to eat or not it would be garbage. :twocents:
:yeah:Over cooked game sucks anyway :bash:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 15, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
Just cook it well and enjoy the extra protein :tup:
Easy for you to say, your not eating it! :chuckle:
Post by: Rovingarcher on December 23, 2013, 06:22:16 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 23, 2013, 06:53:27 AM
Here's another view of an elk with the same affliction, for all you "cook it well and enjoy" types. I'm sure he wouldn't mind hooking you up with some to 'cook and enjoy'
Post by: ICEMAN on December 23, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
So most of the "ooooh, icky" types are tossing a whole elk if this affliction affected only one area? Not sure I understand you guys.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 06:50:42 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on December 23, 2013, 06:58:01 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 23, 2013, 06:58:50 PM
:puke:
Yep, all I would think about is what I sas and trimmed out. :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on December 24, 2013, 02:25:48 AM
Just like a shot up quarter, I would trim all bad away, maybe adding an inch or two, then cut, wrap and eat.
So most of the "ooooh, icky" types are tossing a whole elk if this affliction affected only one area? Not sure I understand you guys.
Shot up and infested with parasites are two distinctively different conditions. NO possible way can all parasitic infestation be seen with the naked eye. Count me out of the "well it's just parasites bbq" :puke: :puke: :puke: not to hard to understand :twocents:
Post by: ICEMAN on December 24, 2013, 07:16:23 AM
Just like a shot up quarter, I would trim all bad away, maybe adding an inch or two, then cut, wrap and eat.
So most of the "ooooh, icky" types are tossing a whole elk if this affliction affected only one area? Not sure I understand you guys.
Shot up and infested with parasites are two distinctively different conditions. NO possible way can all parasitic infestation be seen with the naked eye. Count me out of the "well it's just parasites bbq" :puke: :puke: :puke: not to hard to understand :twocents:
If you cannot see it, then you are probably already eating it.
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on December 24, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
Just like a shot up quarter, I would trim all bad away, maybe adding an inch or two, then cut, wrap and eat.
So most of the "ooooh, icky" types are tossing a whole elk if this affliction affected only one area? Not sure I understand you guys.
Shot up and infested with parasites are two distinctively different conditions. NO possible way can all parasitic infestation be seen with the naked eye. Count me out of the "well it's just parasites bbq" :puke: :puke: :puke: not to hard to understand :twocents:
If you cannot see it, then you are probably already eating it.
ICE, I like your dedication and commitment to make sure no animal is wasted :tup: I just want you and others to be safe and not get eaten up by some nasty bugger over it. Everyone please use your own best judgement and educate yourself the best you can on these matters. Nobody ever want's to lose their animal/meat but don't get sick or maybe kill someone over it :twocents:
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on December 24, 2013, 01:50:10 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 24, 2013, 04:55:42 PM
Just like a shot up quarter, I would trim all bad away, maybe adding an inch or two, then cut, wrap and eat.
So most of the "ooooh, icky" types are tossing a whole elk if this affliction affected only one area? Not sure I understand you guys.
Shot up and infested with parasites are two distinctively different conditions. NO possible way can all parasitic infestation be seen with the naked eye. Count me out of the "well it's just parasites bbq" :puke: :puke: :puke: not to hard to understand :twocents:
If you cannot see it, then you are probably already eating it.
ICE, I like your dedication and commitment to make sure no animal is wasted :tup: I just want you and others to be safe and not get eaten up by some nasty bugger over it. Everyone please use your own best judgement and educate yourself the best you can on these matters. Nobody ever want's to lose their animal/meat but don't get sick or maybe kill someone over it :twocents:
:chuckle: