Post by: huntingfool7 on December 01, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
Post by: scottcrb on December 01, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: xd2005 on December 01, 2013, 11:36:51 AM
Down here I've been able to get $15-$25, but seem be trending upwards.
Post by: Bob33 on December 01, 2013, 11:38:03 AM
Post by: xd2005 on December 01, 2013, 11:40:40 AM
Post by: yorketransport on December 01, 2013, 04:07:04 PM
Andrew
Post by: AWS on December 01, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
The only out of state catalog sales that need to collect sales tax are ones with a brick and mortar store or office in this state. Cabelas collects tax on catalog sales, Midway doesn't.
Post by: xd2005 on December 01, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
To be clear, this is not a new or additional tax, this tax has always been due (whether as a use tax or sales tax), it is merely a more "convenient" way for the state to collect it.
Post by: bigsads on December 01, 2013, 05:32:51 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 01, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
Andrew
Post by: HntnFsh on December 01, 2013, 06:15:01 PM
I had a ML transfered last year and I think it was $30 or $35 here in Seattle
.By ML do you mean muzzle loader? Didnt think they had any paper work with them. No transfer fees.Its been a few years since I bought one but didnt think you had to even do a background check
Post by: wadu1 on December 01, 2013, 06:19:46 PM
That is what I thought as well, it has been a few years since I ordered a ML but no FFL.I had a ML transfered last year and I think it was $30 or $35 here in Seattle
.By ML do you mean muzzle loader? Didnt think they had any paper work with them. No transfer fees.Its been a few years since I bought one but didnt think you had to even do a background check
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 01, 2013, 06:28:43 PM
Check out the FFL list on gunbroker.com. Looks like a couple at $25 in Puyallup area. Just be sure to verify with them first before shipping to them. Also, remember that you are also supposed to be charged sales tax on the purchase by the FFL.
You don't have to pay sales tax to YOUR FFL person. He/she did not sell it to you if you bought it out of state and shipped to your FFL. If bought in state, the seller collects the tax. I never pay sales tax for those reasons.
Not trying to start a typical yes you do, no you don't thread. That's straight from my FFL dealer I ship my out of state buys too.
Post by: yorketransport on December 01, 2013, 06:41:40 PM
You don't have to pay sales tax to YOUR FFL person. He/she did not sell it to you if you bought it out of state and shipped to your FFL. If bought in state, the seller collects the tax. I never pay sales tax for those reasons.
Not trying to start a typical yes you do, no you don't thread. That's straight from my FFL dealer I ship my out of state buys too.
It's not actually sales tax, it's a use tax. According to the WA DOR, it needs to be paid. Like so many other taxes though, that doesn't always mean that it gets paid.
http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx (http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx)
With the state getting low on funds, they're trying everything they can to get their money. I've been hit with a few odd ball business taxes in the last few years. Some I really did owe, others I didn't. It's up to the business owner to decide whether or not to report all the transactions to the state though.
Andrew
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 01, 2013, 06:45:44 PM
Post by: xd2005 on December 01, 2013, 06:57:50 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 01, 2013, 07:22:40 PM
You don't have to pay sales tax to YOUR FFL person. He/she did not sell it to you if you bought it out of state and shipped to your FFL. If bought in state, the seller collects the tax. I never pay sales tax for those reasons.
Not trying to start a typical yes you do, no you don't thread. That's straight from my FFL dealer I ship my out of state buys too.
It's not actually sales tax, it's a use tax. According to the WA DOR, it needs to be paid. Like so many other taxes though, that doesn't always mean that it gets paid.
http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx (http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx)
With the state getting low on funds, they're trying everything they can to get their money. I've been hit with a few odd ball business taxes in the last few years. Some I really did owe, others I didn't. It's up to the business owner to decide whether or not to report all the transactions to the state though.
Andrew
I used to pay B&O taxes when I lived in Graham until I found out I was getting screwed by the gubmint. I forget what exactly it was, since it was years ago when I had semi trucks over there.....
Post by: Bob33 on December 01, 2013, 07:29:52 PM
Interstate transfers of firearms
Because of state and federal laws, a firearm purchased out-of-state by a Washington resident must be sent from the out-of-state seller to a federally licensed gun dealer located in Washington State.Once the Washington gun dealer has conducted the required background checks, the dealer may transfer the firearm to the Washington buyer. Instructions regarding the taxability of these transfers are below:
Tax on the interstate transfer of a firearm A Washington gun dealer is required to collect use tax from a Washington buyer at the time the firearm is delivered to the buyer. Use tax is collected on the total purchase price, including freight/delivery and insurance charges.
If the purchase price is not evident, it is up to the gun dealer to determine the taxable amount by either requiring the purchaser to show the purchase price or by obtaining the selling price from the out-of-state seller.
If for whatever reason, the Washington dealer is still unable to obtain the original purchase price, the current fair market value of the firearm should be used. (RCW 82.12.010) Current fair market values may be determined by the insured value, a recent appraisal, or a reliable resource such as a respected publisher of gun values. (Values are subject to audit verification.)
Firearms as gifts A firearm received as a gift is subject to use tax unless it can be shown that the prior owner paid retail sales or use tax. (RCW 82.12.010). The Washington dealer may use the current fair market value as the taxable amount to calculate the use tax.
Tax has already been paid In cases where the firearm owner can provide proof of sales or use tax paid to Washington, the Washington dealer is not required to collect use tax. The Washington dealer must keep proof of tax paid. In cases where the firearm owner can provide proof of sales or use tax paid to other states, the firearm owner is eligible for a credit against the use tax for the amount of sales or use tax paid to the other state (RCW 82.12.035).
Tax on transfer fees Neither sales tax nor use tax apply on any fees charged by the Washington gun dealer for processing the required state and federal paperwork.
In addition, use tax does not apply to the service charge for contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) when the charge is stated separately from the selling price of the firearm and freight and/or delivery charges, insurance, etc.
Reporting the tax The gross selling price of the firearm is reported under the use tax lines of the tax return.
The separately stated service charge for processing the required Federal and State forms and contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is reported under the service and other activities B&O tax classification. Sales tax does not apply on this charge.
Applicable law RCW 82.12.040(1) states:
Every person who maintains in this state a place of business or a stock of goods, or engages in business activities within this state, shall obtain from the department a certificate of registration, and shall, at the time of making sales of tangible personal property, extended warranties, or sales of any service defined as a retail sale in RCW 82.04.050 (2)(a) or (3)(a), or making transfers of either possession or title, or both, of tangible personal property for use in this state, collect from the purchasers or transferees the tax imposed under this chapter. The tax to be collected under this section shall be in an amount equal to the purchase price multiplied by the rate in effect for the retail sales tax under RCW 82.08.020. (Emphasis added).
Post by: scottcrb on December 01, 2013, 07:36:23 PM
No paperwork for the Muzzle loader but I bought the gun in a auction in the Midwest and had to have it shipped out. The auction house required it go to a FFL . I believe the ffl asked what I paid for the gun and charged me tax on that. Was pretty easy and quick and not to expensive.That is what I thought as well, it has been a few years since I ordered a ML but no FFL.I had a ML transfered last year and I think it was $30 or $35 here in Seattle
.By ML do you mean muzzle loader? Didnt think they had any paper work with them. No transfer fees.Its been a few years since I bought one but didnt think you had to even do a background check
Post by: mountainman on December 01, 2013, 07:46:08 PM
http://dor.wa.gov/content/getaformorpublication/publicationbysubject/taxtopics/firearmtransfers.aspx (http://dor.wa.gov/content/getaformorpublication/publicationbysubject/taxtopics/firearmtransfers.aspx)
Interstate transfers of firearms
Because of state and federal laws, a firearm purchased out-of-state by a Washington resident must be sent from the out-of-state seller to a federally licensed gun dealer located in Washington State.Once the Washington gun dealer has conducted the required background checks, the dealer may transfer the firearm to the Washington buyer. Instructions regarding the taxability of these transfers are below:
Tax on the interstate transfer of a firearm A Washington gun dealer is required to collect use tax from a Washington buyer at the time the firearm is delivered to the buyer. Use tax is collected on the total purchase price, including freight/delivery and insurance charges.
If the purchase price is not evident, it is up to the gun dealer to determine the taxable amount by either requiring the purchaser to show the purchase price or by obtaining the selling price from the out-of-state seller.
If for whatever reason, the Washington dealer is still unable to obtain the original purchase price, the current fair market value of the firearm should be used. (RCW 82.12.010) Current fair market values may be determined by the insured value, a recent appraisal, or a reliable resource such as a respected publisher of gun values. (Values are subject to audit verification.)
Firearms as gifts A firearm received as a gift is subject to use tax unless it can be shown that the prior owner paid retail sales or use tax. (RCW 82.12.010). The Washington dealer may use the current fair market value as the taxable amount to calculate the use tax.
Tax has already been paid In cases where the firearm owner can provide proof of sales or use tax paid to Washington, the Washington dealer is not required to collect use tax. The Washington dealer must keep proof of tax paid. In cases where the firearm owner can provide proof of sales or use tax paid to other states, the firearm owner is eligible for a credit against the use tax for the amount of sales or use tax paid to the other state (RCW 82.12.035).
Tax on transfer fees Neither sales tax nor use tax apply on any fees charged by the Washington gun dealer for processing the required state and federal paperwork.
In addition, use tax does not apply to the service charge for contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) when the charge is stated separately from the selling price of the firearm and freight and/or delivery charges, insurance, etc.
Reporting the tax The gross selling price of the firearm is reported under the use tax lines of the tax return.
The separately stated service charge for processing the required Federal and State forms and contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is reported under the service and other activities B&O tax classification. Sales tax does not apply on this charge.
Applicable law RCW 82.12.040(1) states:
Every person who maintains in this state a place of business or a stock of goods, or engages in business activities within this state, shall obtain from the department a certificate of registration, and shall, at the time of making sales of tangible personal property, extended warranties, or sales of any service defined as a retail sale in RCW 82.04.050 (2)(a) or (3)(a), or making transfers of either possession or title, or both, of tangible personal property for use in this state, collect from the purchasers or transferees the tax imposed under this chapter. The tax to be collected under this section shall be in an amount equal to the purchase price multiplied by the rate in effect for the retail sales tax under RCW 82.08.020. (Emphasis added).
Post by: actionshooter on December 01, 2013, 08:03:19 PM
You don't have to pay sales tax to YOUR FFL person. He/she did not sell it to you if you bought it out of state and shipped to your FFL. If bought in state, the seller collects the tax. I never pay sales tax for those reasons.
Not trying to start a typical yes you do, no you don't thread. That's straight from my FFL dealer I ship my out of state buys too.
It's not actually sales tax, it's a use tax. According to the WA DOR, it needs to be paid. Like so many other taxes though, that doesn't always mean that it gets paid.
http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx (http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx)
With the state getting low on funds, they're trying everything they can to get their money. I've been hit with a few odd ball business taxes in the last few years. Some I really did owe, others I didn't. It's up to the business owner to decide whether or not to report all the transactions to the state though.
Andrew
I used to pay B&O taxes when I lived in Graham until I found out I was getting screwed by the gubmint. I forget what exactly it was, since it was years ago when I had semi trucks over there.....
If your FFL gets audited, they are going to owe the state all of the back tax.
They might disagree, but if you like them, you might give them a heads up.
The going rate down Olympia way here is about $50+ tax
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 01, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
When I bought handguns and long guns from out of state they were shiped to my FFL guy for the transfer and he charged me the USE TAX on the items. This piece of **** state has a tax for everything.
When you sell a gun face to face your supose to charge the USE TAX and if any money was made your suopse to claim the profit on your income taxes.
I sold two guns for double what I paid and was talking to my tax guy about them and he said I am supose to claim it on my tax form. Right on, I guess it's for the kids. Everything they do is for the kids these days.
Remember to vote Democrap! The kid friendly party and every one has a smile on their crooked face.
Post by: lucky7 on December 02, 2013, 11:11:06 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2013, 11:21:26 AM
Too much :chuckle:
Down here I've been able to get $15-$25, but seem be trending upwards.
Do you use Clark Co. Gunsmithing?
Post by: xd2005 on December 02, 2013, 11:40:17 AM
Too much :chuckle:
Down here I've been able to get $15-$25, but seem be trending upwards.
Do you use Clark Co. Gunsmithing?
I have, yes. There is/was another real close to him (think he was on Evergreen, across from Harney Elem) that I have used as well. Can't remember what it was called, Something and Son or Sons. I don't seem to see it listed now, which doesn't really surprise me. He was on the cheap side, though :)
I was just looking on a website, does Royce Pollard really have a FFL?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
Too much :chuckle:
Down here I've been able to get $15-$25, but seem be trending upwards.
Do you use Clark Co. Gunsmithing?
I have, yes. There is/was another real close to him (think he was on Evergreen, across from Harney Elem) that I have used as well. Can't remember what it was called, Something and Son or Sons. I don't seem to see it listed now, which doesn't really surprise me. He was on the cheap side, though :)
I was just looking on a website, does Royce Pollard really have a FFL?
That wouldn't surprise me a bit.