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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: fish-on37 on November 06, 2008, 05:11:48 PM
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Anyone know how the modern guys are doing in the Winston? Just wondering with all the cow tags given out this year.
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I know 5 animals taken 1 cow, 2 forked horns above doubles, 1 4x5 and another small, really small 5x5. All animals were nice big bodied animals.
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I saw six bulls being taken out on opening day. But one thing I will say with passion is I will never ever ever ever go near kid valley again had a guy threaten me at about 1:30 in the afternoon even though it was him that walked into the draw I had been hunting all day and proceeded to sit on a log about 60 yards in front of me taking away all of my shooting lanes unless I wanted to shoot toward him. Tooooo many hunters. None of the elk I mentioned were taken near kid valley though I got out of there because it is not worth it when there are knives and high powered rifles involved. I backed down and gave him the spot even though I had a blind put up and my son in law to be was behind me in the next draw with his blind we packed up and left.
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I hear ya, I've hunted those parts near 15 years now and every year it gets worse. This last 5 years have been absolutely crazy scary down there. I know last year there was a guy up there who walked in from the east side who got a great big bull taken from him by three guys throwing their weight around. He shot it and dropped it right there and out of no where came these guys and demanded he walk away or there was going to be trouble. He did and it probably saved his life. If you can afford to go somewhere else. I grew up down there so I know alot of area most don't but not so much anymore.
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i hunted winston and we got 2 opening day.( see my tagged out 08 post) i saw absolutely no sign of anything after we got snow on tuesday and as we left thursday out of 4 of us we had cut no tracks in 2 days. we took our elk into morton monday around noon. and they had plenty of room for our elk. usually they are full up by monday morning. our elk were #14 and 15 in so far. i think it was pretty slow.
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I got a 4x4 yesterday. Was up there saturday, sunday, tuesday, and wednesday. SAw elk everyday but did not hear many shots and only saw about six going out in trucks. I think alot of people dont see them up there cause they're too lazy to get out of the truck and expect someone else to push the elk to them.
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My partner and I shot a BIG 6x6 in the early archery season. The elk jumped the string a little and the arrow hit back a little farther than we liked, so we backed off for a couple hours to give it time to die. By the time we tracked it down all we found were legs and a gut pile. >:(
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Dad killed a really nice 5x5. He is 44 inches wide and the main beams are 45 long. The longest eye guard is 16 and the rest are all between 13 and 14 inches long. Pretty nice bull for winston creek.
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how about some pics
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broken-arrow, georgia redneck, Screaminreelz its sad to read those kind of reports. Winston's a great unit but a few jerks ruin it for a lot of people and i mean a "lot" of people.
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I have tried to post pics and have never been able to figure out how to do it.
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PLEASE FIGURE IT OUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE j
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Hunted only the first 3 days due to baby being born. I was into elk everyday. Lots of spikes no legal bulls. :bash: One guy in our hunting party saw a 5x5, 4x4 and 3x3 with 20 cows at about 750 yds on opening day. It was a combat zone in there, there was no chance for him to close the distance. He did say he saw only 1 3x3 in the back of a truck the whole season. To many hunters for us we are heading back into the high country next year.
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Hunted only the first 3 days due to baby being born. I was into elk everyday. Lots of spikes no legal bulls. :bash: One guy in our hunting party saw a 5x5, 4x4 and 3x3 with 20 cows at about 750 yds on opening day. It was a combat zone in there, there was no chance for him to close the distance. He did say he saw only 1 3x3 in the back of a truck the whole season. To many hunters for us we are heading back into the high country next year.
:yeah:
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Hunted only the first 3 days due to baby being born. I was into elk everyday. Lots of spikes no legal bulls. :bash: One guy in our hunting party saw a 5x5, 4x4 and 3x3 with 20 cows at about 750 yds on opening day. It was a combat zone in there, there was no chance for him to close the distance. He did say he saw only 1 3x3 in the back of a truck the whole season. To many hunters for us we are heading back into the high country next year.
Same here my daughter was born on Oct. 30th missed opening weekend never caught up to the elk just saw a couple of cows and a spike.
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I'm going to be hunting that area next week for late archery... I only hope someone tries to push me around.... ;).. He/she/they will have more problems then they bargained for.
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We will be there as well. Hopefully they left some elk for us.
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I was up in the winston today and bagged a spike. Was hoping for something bigger but its late in the season and the freezer was hollow! Anyway, we were scouting for the late bow season and did see a small herd of cows. This late in the year antlers arent mandatory.
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I spent the last 2 days up in the Winston unit and there are plenty of elk to go around. Should not be a problem to pull an elk out of there.
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I was up in the winston today and bagged a spike. Was hoping for something bigger but its late in the season and the freezer was hollow! Anyway, we were scouting for the late bow season and did see a small herd of cows. This late in the year antlers arent mandatory.
Am I missing something? I thought the Winston was 3 pt. or better for bulls???
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He shot a buck.
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ah, my bad
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I should've been more specific. I mod. fire. for deer and bow for elk. I thought there would have been more hunters in there today. Must be more popular for elk.
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I thought there would have been more hunters in there today.
Was thinking the same about Coweeman today.
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I heard the yacolt burn was an absolute zoo today. My friend got a spike there. He seems to think the rut there is over.
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I'm going to be hunting that area next week for late archery... I only hope someone tries to push me around.... ;).. He/she/they will have more problems then they bargained for.
Everyone is a tough guy till there are guns envolved if you choose to be a tough guy with weapons involved you are as much a problem as the guy who tried to start sh@#* with me. No offense just my opinion.
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I'm going to be hunting that area next week for late archery... I only hope someone tries to push me around.... ;).. He/she/they will have more problems then they bargained for.
Everyone is a tough guy till there are guns envolved if you choose to be a tough guy with weapons involved you are as much a problem as the guy who tried to start sh@#* with me. No offense just my opinion.
Ok... Your right, but I cant stand people who try to push other people around... We are all out there hunting... We are supposed to be having a good time.. It just really pisses me off thats all.. I havnt had any try to push me around out there, but I have heard stories about it happening. Plus it kinda helps that Im a Police Officer.. So if anyone tries to pull that crap with me, there will be big problems.. Thats what I meant. I'm not going to go out there looking for trouble. Im out there to have a great time with friends and hopefully I kill an Elk.. I didn mean to sound like an Ass..lol..
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I heard the yacolt burn was an absolute zoo today. My friend got a spike there. He seems to think the rut there is over.
That is every weekend during hunting season, however, if you can get past a hunter on every other stump in certain areas, there are some huge bruiser bucks to be had.... I have seen absolute monsters equal to what has been posted on the deer hunting forum for this year up on the "Burn". I have taken a couple of monsters off there, and seen a lot more come out of there as well. You just have to be willing to work the heavy brush and thickets for them, leave the open clearcuts to the road hunters.
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Maybe this will work
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Here are the rest.
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Now that is a nice Bull!!!!! Congrats!!!!
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We went up there today to help buddy set up camper. Not near the sign we are used to seeing. I'm sure there will be some elk to chase, but might take some better weather to make it worth while.
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Wow that's a dandy! I'm ready for round two!!
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I hunted modern for 6 years in the Winston unit. I saw some fine elk taken out none were mine. I was surrounded by hunters :( some after chatting with I wouldn't take to the rifle range and feel safe. To be fair I also talked to some fine hunters :) . At best it was a great motivator to become an archery hunter which I did last year. As luck would have it I drew a Toutle tag last year and never entered the Winston. I brought home a very respectable 5x3 and now I'm absolutely hooked on archery for elk from now on. I hunted 4 days early season in the Winston this year and only ran into 1 other hunter a couple of miles behind the closed gate we go in. I loved it, though it was very hot for early. I had an excellent chance to take a cow but chose to wait as I was going down to Willapa Hills/Ryderwood next and was hoping for a bull still. I plan on hunting at least half of the late season in Winston and am hoping the crowd will be the same. Good luck to all.
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Well Im leaving tomorrow for a week long Elk hunt in the Winston.. I will make sure to take alot of pics.. I hope I'm able to connect with somthing.. Good luck to everyone that will be hunting this weekend.. Be safe..
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Nice Bull Bigshooter.
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i drove up in the winston unit today, just to see how many people were there. WOW, doesn't anyone work anymore. holy *censored* there were tons of people everywhere. combine that with the muzzle loaders on the other side of the road and the poor elk don't stand a chance. good luck to all the guys going up there. hopefully you can get away from the people.
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Nice bull! I killed a decent 5 point up there a couple years back.... but man, it really does get busy up there these days.
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Nice bull! I killed a decent 5 point up there a couple years back.... but man, it really does get busy up there these days.
You should see it around my place now, Im charging people to park in my field there are so many elk hunters up here!
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hey nice bull!
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hey bigshooter, tell your dad he needs to put a high fence around that area where he killed that bull. that's the only area up in the winston that seems to hold decent bulls. did you ever put a tape on him? i see you're still using my measurements.
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hey everyone, i am new to this site. i hunred the winston unit this yr for early archery and was into elk everyday just not fortunate to hook up on one. I havent been up there in a while, and was kinda wondering the same info on the winston unit late season as well as willapa hills unit. any info would be great.. THANKS!!!!!
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Well we drove up there just to see the zoo. :o The gate keepers said no one got an elk or deer yet, that was about 2pm. We saw hunters draging out from the 1900 gate , tounges hanging! :drool:
Friday through next week all the gates will be open to travel into!. SHhhhh don't tell anyone! :dunno:
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hey bigshooter, tell your dad he needs to put a high fence around that area where he killed that bull. that's the only area up in the winston that seems to hold decent bulls. did you ever put a tape on him? i see you're still using my measurements.
Have not scored him yet. When he gets it back from the taxidermy, I will get you my official score. I'm going to bet you not an inch over 258. Porkchops 6x6 scored 248 and this one is a little bigger.
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Do they close the 1900 gate at dark?
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it's open during the week for the logging, and gets locked up at night. On the weekends it's usually open for motor vehicle traffic and closes at night. I would call the Weyerhauser #. I know it was open for opening weekend archery deer and weekends during modern elk.
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FYI everyone. I hunted a few days in the Winston unit last year around Kid Valley and on one of the weekend days the gamies had a check point at the bottom of the hill. No problems for me, but you'll want to make sure you have things in order in case they're doing the same this year.
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The gates are are going to be open starting tomorrow through the first of december due to weyerhauser being shut down for the next two weeks. You can even drive in during the week, we talked to security gaurd up there today.
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Today was my first day to hunt late elk with a bow. I know it opened on wed. but I couldnt get off work plus the gates were closed until fri. There were a ton of hunters in there, mostly road hunting. I have to admit there is also a ton of elk in there. We saw our first group of elk shortly after first light while we were driving in to our area. 2 hours later I was gutting out a cow that fell to a well placed arrow from 15 yards. there had to be about 15 head in that group including a raghorn 5x5 that I hadnt seen until after my shot. Awhile later after we loaded the cow, we saw another group cross the road in front of us. Im sure the added pressure keeps them moving all day long. I think there will be many more positive post from the archers coming soon....Long live the mystcal flight of the arrow!
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:tup: :tup: Good work! anyone else in Winston
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was up saturday and sunday. tons of road hunters, few guys up behind gates also. being fortunate enough to fill my tag in early season was just hiking and running video camera with my brother. seen lots of elk both days just couldnt close the deal.
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My step bro was with me sat when I tagged out and he went back up today but didnt bump any. I wouldve thought he'd see some today but maybe the pressure pushed em into the timber and brush.
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Is anyone else amazed with the amount of bow hunters this year in the Winston unit? I have hunted it for the past 5 years and this is by far the most people I have ever seen in there.
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Been up there the past 2 weekends, what a zoo! what really amazes me is the amount of guys just driving roads, more locked gates wouldn't bother me at all.
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Bother me, shoot I would probably have to send the timber companies xmas cards if they would lock all the gates. Tired of seeing/ hearing guys cruise around the woods looking out there windows. I hit a road last weekend to wait for one of my buddies, some guys in a truck honestly had the nerve to stop and ask me if I was on the elk and if I had seen them. uhhhh right, get outta your tennis shoes and into some leather and do some walking of your own. Then and maybe then if I see ya in the woods I might give you a hint to if I am on them. Funny guys out there, whatever everybody has there own way of doing things I guess. :dunno:
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Bother me, shoot I would probably have to send the timber companies xmas cards if they would lock all the gates. Tired of seeing/ hearing guys cruise around the woods looking out there windows. I hit a road last weekend to wait for one of my buddies, some guys in a truck honestly had the nerve to stop and ask me if I was on the elk and if I had seen them. uhhhh right, get outta your tennis shoes and into some leather and do some walking of your own. Then and maybe then if I see ya in the woods I might give you a hint to if I am on them. Funny guys out there, whatever everybody has there own way of doing things I guess. :dunno:
Well on the opposite side of the spectrum, I spent a day in the Winston a couple of weekends ago. So I get up to the spot I wanna hunt, get out of the pickup and start cruising through the 20 year old jacks, trying to cut some tracks. After about 20 minutes of walking, I cut fresh tracks from a herd of 5 to 6 that had just ran through there. So I follow these elk tracks for about another half hour, and end up losing them in an over grown Noble Fir patch. So here's the good part. I head back to my pick up, hop in, and take off. I drive past the spot where the elk ran across the road into the Noble Fir patch, and low and behold, here comes another hunter out of the same patch of Nobles. So I think to myself, hmmm....I wonder if he was on that herd? So, I stop, and ask if he indeed had seen where the elk had crossed the road and followed them in?, thinking that if he hadn't he would know there was elk somewhere around and he could pick up where I left off. But all he said was "NO!", as he kept walking down the road, didn't stop and talk, just kept going. All I could think to say was, "It was nice talking to ya.", as I drove away.
I guess I was wrong to stop and try to help out a fellow hunter. But I'd do it again in a second if I could.
Has anyone else been in this kind of situation, on my side of the spectrum?
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It is crazy!
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I hunted down there last friday and had a great encounter with elk. (See Jumpin'n the String). Lot's of people, most never left the road. i think it is important to go the extra mile and find those hard to get to places. I believe that the people who are nasty to other hunters in the woods are generally lazy. It is important to report these "angry" individuals , (I refuse to call them hunters), actions to the game wardens. Even though gm may not be able to do anything right away, they will document it. This may change some policy or may even encourage them to open up other areas that are swarming with elk, like the big bottom valley of randle and packwood. Chin up.
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Yeah,I am with you all! I can't believe the number of hunters in there. Twice as many as last year. What I am tired of seeing is people crapping in the middle of the road right in front of the gates and leaving the roll of tp behind,find a stump! Oh,lets not leave gut piles and capes on the road as well. And my last and most important rant is lets stop wounding elk,if you don't have a good shot you owe it to the animal to let it walk. I ran into 3 different guys that had wounded cows with piss poor shots. After they bragged about the story I thought man you shouldn't have even taken that shot.
However, on the upside we where into elk almost everyday and got very close to filling a few tags. My buddy missed a raggy on friday. I will be heading back down sunday and staying tell the end of the season!
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i hope they close all the gates in the winston, then maybe most of the road hunters will go somewhere else! I have never seen sooooooo many people bow hunting up there, it's crazy.
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i hope they close all the gates in the winston, then maybe most of the road hunters will go somewhere else! I have never seen sooooooo many people bow hunting up there, it's crazy.
I hear what you are saying, but at least this way we know where they are and where not to go.
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I am with you guys i wish the would lock most of the dead end roads. I hate it when I am creeping up a grassy old road and someone drives right on by.
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I am with you guys i wish the would lock most of the dead end roads. I hate it when I am creeping up a grassy old road and someone drives right on by.
Yeah,this would be very easy to accomplish.When they update the hotline and open the roads to motorized vehicles they could simply state that all red arrowed roads are close to motorized vehicles.Kind of like the red dot system.This might stop alot of road hunting.
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The only way to stop the lazy S.O.B.'s is a gate. they ignore anything else. ( although spike strips slow them down)
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As does a valve stem removal tool, if they park. It works great on parked 4wheelers too. I am headed to the Winston on the 12th after my last final is over, to a spot my uncle has killed elk in the past. I have never been there. Is there snow (ie should I bring snow camo)? Are there still elk to be had even at the end of the season? Thanks for any info.
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I do agree that when you are trying to put in a good hunt that road hunters can get on my nerves, but you have to remember a few things......
1) ITS THEIR RIGHT TO DO IT! If they don't get anything or see anything thats their problem.
2) If they are on the roads......GUESS WHAT? They are not in the woods with the rest of us! I don't find that a bit disturbing!
3) The driver or possibly the passanger may or may not be hunting, just along for the ride. Or maybe one of them is physically ill or injured and they just like to get out and be in the woods.
I had a good friend that was 38 years old die this summer from complications during a heart transplant surgery, he was so weak the past couple years all he could do was walk out from camp a 100 or 200 yards and sit on a stump all day, many times all he could muster was riding along in the pick-up.
I guarantee you the day you freak out on a road hunter that ends up being crippled or sick or lame, you will feel about 1 inch tall!!!!
Yes there are many lazy hunters but also a bunch of uneducated ones who have no idea how to go about hunting anything, let alone elk. Believe it or not some are even afraid of the dark or being alone in the woods!!! :chuckle:
By the way if I ever caught someone messing with my valve stems, they would have a hard time explaining why their bow silencer is protruding from their #$S!!! >:(
That my friend is vandalism, its illegal and is not condoned on this forum!!!!! :bdid:
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I do agree that when you are trying to put in a good hunt that road hunters can get on my nerves, but you have to remember a few things......
1) ITS THEIR RIGHT TO DO IT! If they don't get anything or see anything thats their problem.
2) If they are on the roads......GUESS WHAT? They are not in the woods with the rest of us! I don't find that a bit disturbing!
3) The driver or possibly the passanger may or may not be hunting, just along for the ride. Or maybe one of them is physically ill or injured and they just like to get out and be in the woods.
I had a good friend that was 38 years old die this summer from complications during a heart transplant surgery, he was so weak the past couple years all he could do was walk out from camp a 100 or 200 yards and sit on a stump all day, many times all he could muster was riding along in the pick-up.
I guarantee you the day you freak out on a road hunter that ends up being crippled or sick or lame, you will feel about 1 inch tall!!!!
Yes there are many lazy hunters but also a bunch of uneducated ones who have no idea how to go about hunting anything, let alone elk. Believe it or not some are even afraid of the dark or being alone in the woods!!! :chuckle:
By the way if I ever caught someone messing with my valve stems, they would have a hard time explaining why their bow silencer is protruding from their #$S!!! >:(
That my friend is vandalism, its illegal and is not condoned on this forum!!!!! :bdid:
Couldn`t agree ;)
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As I stated earlier, everyone has their own way of doing things. Good luck to everybody, and their are still elk to be had up there. (no snow yet)
valve stem removal tool, hmm thats not even funny >:(
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I wasn't referring to road-hunters on legitamate roads, I was referring to the guys that go around gates and ignore posted signs. I also have no problem with parked vehicles, only ones driving into places that they arent legal. Motorized cross-country travel is ILLEGAL in Washington unless you are in a 4x4 park or on trails for that purpose. A-holes who ignore posted signs,gates, color coded roads, etc. because they are just plain lazy get what they deserve (hopefully a hefty fine) I dont advocate vandalism, just traffic control devices. I am not talking about roads that are open for travel but closed roads.
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To clear that up, I'm not talking about people parked or drive on legit roads. We all park on those roads. I'm talking about guys who ride in five miles on four wheelers that get to those places in a short ride when it took me hours to hike there. I agree that if they want to road hunt, go for it, just means I won't be seeing them out in the woods. I was talking about driving behind gates, over tank traps, and the like. Nobody likes that, for any reason besides the disabled hunter.
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Rest asure that those gates may be locked forever.
Earlier this year I saw a few locks busted and come gates nearly pulled out of the ground.
Some people are not only lazy but just stupid and will try anything to break the law and ruin it for everyone.
Sorry *censored*s. >:(
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I have hunted the winston unit for the past 20 years and I have to agree this is the worst year for many hunters. One thing is I have noticed is that many do not have good ethics IE: unethical shots. Heard that many times up there from both riffle and archery Hunters. If you chose to do that please don't brag!! Also clean up your campsited when you are done. Don't leave them a mess for someone else to clean up. And we wonder why woods are getting locked up.
Also when the gates are closed during the week to walk in, catch a clue that you don't see anyone else driving around. And yes, I feel that these people that have drove pass a mountain biker or a hunter hiking in on a main line pass a bright orange sign that states closed to motorized traffic and their truck is found parked, they deserve a valve stem removed. That is a simple fix, no vandalism at all. They just have to hike or bike like me now. That is only fair. I bet they will never leave their vehicle in a walk in area again.
My over all opinion is that I think it is neat that Winston is open on the weekends so that everyone has an opportunity to get out and hunt. And I hunt up there on the weekends knowing there will be a bunch of road hunters. But come the week days I know I will not run into but maybe a few way back in there. It is just a great opportunity for everybody.