Post by: ruger357 on December 12, 2013, 09:24:37 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 12, 2013, 10:33:15 PM
It sounds like maybe you are going a bit overboard on the frame. Only thing wrong with that is the weight. There will come a time when you will have to pack one a ways and you will cuss them if they are too heavy.
Believe me I know from experience. The first traps I made I used 5/8 and 3/4 rod I had plus the 2x4 wire I had. The wire is very poor. I have patched them a lot but no escapes except a coyote. The frame on the other hand is overkill and makes the traps too heavy to carry far. A lot of choice words have flown over those traps and the maker. :chuckle:
Now I use 1/4" rod for frame.
I'll see if I can get a picture of one tomorrow.
Post by: ruger357 on December 12, 2013, 11:28:45 PM
Post by: pnwmtnmn on December 12, 2013, 11:44:51 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 13, 2013, 08:31:17 AM
so do you thimk there is any reason to build it with anything more than a few ribs or should i have the ribs linked together with rod stock runing the length of the trap in the four corners.I think only the ribs are neccesary. My new cat traps have three ribs including the door frame. The back 1/3 is just the formed cage wire. I have only caught two cats in the new traps so far but no problem with them damaging it.
A trap maker in Ca.(Yancy) made his bobcat trap with only a frame for the drop door, the rest of the trap was just bent into shape and j-clipped together. 1x1 14 ga.
I have one of those traps and while I prefer my own design it holds up well.
Post by: hardkorrhunter on December 13, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
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Post by: wags on December 13, 2013, 09:06:19 AM
http://klubertanz.com/images/Klubertanz_Pg1-7.pdf (http://klubertanz.com/images/Klubertanz_Pg1-7.pdf)
Post by: UrbanTrapper on December 13, 2013, 09:27:17 AM
Post by: dbfalls on December 13, 2013, 09:36:52 AM
Post by: ruger357 on December 13, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: hardkorrhunter on December 13, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Post by: CementFinisher on December 13, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 13, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
Only place I have found suitable wire is Del's Farm and Feed. Do a search they have a website to find a store near you.
My new cat traps are 10x18x42. Ones I made last year that can be used for cats or as a swim through are 10x18x48. With the internal door that probably makes them between 8" and 9" wide.No problem getting cats to go in. Cats have no problem turning around in them either so I have to think it doesn't seem that tight to them.
Post by: jasnt on December 13, 2013, 11:49:27 PM
Post by: bob maier on December 14, 2013, 04:48:42 AM
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Post by: Humptulips on December 18, 2013, 09:13:13 PM
Single door,closes from side, conibear trigger, 10x18x42
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy137%2Fhumptulips%2FDSCN0589_zps01ca3939.jpg&hash=56b209cb26743efddffb3600ba35430acb686b71) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/humptulips/media/DSCN0589_zps01ca3939.jpg.html)
Small door in side to aid in setting. No frame work in back 1/3 of trap.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy137%2Fhumptulips%2FDSCN0588_zpsa9c8f5ff.jpg&hash=ea647275dba6fe7ca2bab040a48703b264c0969e) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/humptulips/media/DSCN0588_zpsa9c8f5ff.jpg.html)
Post by: Machias on December 19, 2013, 08:54:35 AM
Post by: Humptulips on December 19, 2013, 11:10:42 AM
Bruce how much do those cost you to make? Any chance you can show a close up of the trigger and locking mech, or maybe a drawing? Thanks!
Cost of materials is just over $25. Time you paint them you have pretty close to $30 in one. There is no locking mechanism on the door. It is a spring loaded door and closes from the inside so the pressure of the springs holds the door against the door frames. Look at the picture and you will see the pieces in the corner of the door frame that look like braces. The door is held tight against them by the springs when sprung.
The trigger is basically the same as my swim throughs.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy137%2Fhumptulips%2FDSCN0499_zps7ce767a2.jpg&hash=12cb6bf3b13b235c288609f9eced0f9839f24ad1) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/humptulips/media/DSCN0499_zps7ce767a2.jpg.html)
That is off one of my swim throughs. The cat traps use the same design but the trigger extends from the side of the trap instead of the top. I also moved the mechanism to the center of the door so it held it open evener. Turn one of my swim throughs on its side and that is pretty much what you have in my cat traps. Only one door on the cat traps though.
Post by: Machias on December 19, 2013, 03:43:12 PM
Post by: kirkdekalb on December 19, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
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Your right Bob that was a miss print. I need proof read before I post, it should have read 200'. I make guillotine doors like Advanced Traps has. The springs are the expensive part, haven't found a spot to buy them in bulk yet. The trap is big enough. Caught beaver in them last year, plenty of room. Go to advanced traps web sight and watch his videos. I've only caught raccoon in then so far, haven't found a good spot for beaver yet.
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[patent infringement n. the manufacture and/or use of an invention or improvement for which someone else owns a patent issued by the government, without obtaining permission of the owner of the patent by contract, license or waiver. The infringing party will be liable to the owner of the patent for all profits made from the use of the invention, as well as any harm which can be shown by the inventor, whether the infringement was intentional or not. (See: patent, infringement/quote]
I have a patent Dbfalls. You just told the world you are breaking the law and you are encouraging others to do the same. I have given the right to no one. Read the law again, especially the part about liability.
Kirk DeKalb
Post by: onetrapper on December 19, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
Post by: dbfalls on December 20, 2013, 07:48:40 AM
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Post by: ruger357 on December 20, 2013, 09:40:55 AM
Post by: kirkdekalb on December 20, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
It is going to awfully hard to get around both of the patents I have. I haven,t figure out a better way.
Kirk DeKalb
Post by: kirkdekalb on December 20, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
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I am sorry Kirk didn't mean to infringe on your rights. Tell me, unless I'm mistaken the springs and the way they are set up to power the door are what you have a patent on correct? And if that's the case I will take the springs off the 6 doors I've made and revamp it with my own design. One more thing why don't you sell replacement parts for your traps such as the doors. Because the trigger and the dog on your traps can be purchase at stores or on line and they are what conibear uses. Thank You
Parts- You could not use the parts unless I granted the use of the patents I have. One will not work without the other. Why would I want to allow competition when I am still trying to make it work. It has been tough, very tough.
Post by: kirkdekalb on December 20, 2013, 12:33:58 PM
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Because the trigger and the dog on your traps can be purchase at stores or on line and they are what conibear uses. Thank You]
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It is not the same thing. The patents cover the mechanism and linkage. The patents allow for much more cage trap design, almost unlimited use. That is why they were granted.
There are so many options as to how our traps are used and made, I just haven,t taken the time to explain most of it. And to be honest with you, we are coming up with so much new stuff I am afraid if I don,t make it I will forget.
As far as options; We now have 3 different dogs we use with our traps. Each is a little different than the other. Each works best with a one model trap, trigger, or situation than another. For example: I have recently improved the firing system on my multicatch trap, it is due a lot, as to the relationship of the dog and the new trigger we are using. The little changes vastly improve the trap's ability. It was a good trap before, now it is a great trap. To an internet surfer it is the same, just haven't had time to show differences on website.
I have developed a new trap that has so many ways to catch an animal, I need to write a book or do an hour long instructional video. There are no public videos showing it. It is all due to the patents granted me. As what a patent is, "property", for a limited time.
Will show over time. Have also developed a powered door folding trap that can be made with two different types of doors. One door designed similar to others but different. It is more stable than any folding trap I have seen and can be set up in about 60 seconds. It also can be used under water or on land as a double door or single door.
I worked hard for my patents and literally applied for them, myself, having a patent attorney finish them up. Because I had no money.
Payroll this week was for 75 hours.
Kirk DeKalb
Post by: onetrapper on December 20, 2013, 05:55:42 PM
Darryl.
Post by: hardkorrhunter on December 20, 2013, 06:13:02 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on December 20, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
:yeah: I would have to agree with that no one here is trying to take any business from you we are all just here to in joy the hobby and save some money in doing so. I know I for one can't afford to go spend 200bucks per trap and if you have the ability to build it by all means do it. That's just my :twocents:
If these arent being sold it doesnt matter. I could hammer out a Ford F150 for myself if I wanted (hypothetically of course but you get the idea) for myself...Ford isnt going to come after me. A patent doesnt stop private citizens from making things for their own use, it stops them from selling them. Granted im just a dumb civil servant but you might want to ask your patent attorney before you sour more peoples opinion.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 20, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
What are your patent numbers?
Post by: ruger357 on December 21, 2013, 12:40:15 AM
Post by: Alpinist on December 21, 2013, 02:14:32 AM
I can't find the torsion spring for my door any ideas?
Have you tried McMaster-Carr: http://www.mcmaster.com/#torsion-springs/ (http://www.mcmaster.com/#torsion-springs/=pwh8t3)
Post by: kirkdekalb on December 21, 2013, 02:49:43 AM
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[patent infringement n. the manufacture and/or use of an invention or improvement for which someone else owns a patent issued by the government, without obtaining permission of the owner of the patent by contract, license or waiver. The infringing party will be liable to the owner of the patent for all profits made from the use of the invention, as well as any harm which can be shown by the inventor, whether the infringement was intentional or not. (See: patent, infringement/quote]
I have a patent Dbfalls. You just told the world you are breaking the law and you are encouraging others to do the same. I have given the right to no one. Read the law again, especially the part about liability.
Kirk DeKalb
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If these arent being sold it doesnt matter. I could hammer out a Ford F150 for myself if I wanted (hypothetically of course but you get the idea) for myself...Ford isnt going to come after me. A patent doesnt stop private citizens from making things for their own use, it stops them from selling them. Granted im just a dumb civil servant but you might want to ask your patent attorney before you sour more peoples opinion.
Think of the domino effect if nothing was said.
Read the law again, the infringing party is liable for what ever harm no matter whether intentional or not. You copy my patents and others see what you have done and it causes more infringement whether it is your intention or not. Your liable. You take pictures and videos or someone takes pictures and videos of your copy of my patent that encourages others to infringe on my patents, Your liable. The patents are My property according to the law. You copy, your a thief. Why would I spend thousands of dollars and over hundreds of hours developing a patent, just to let someone copy it if the law didn,t protect me.
As far as souring anything, all I did was point out fact.
Google - Kirk DeKalb - Patents, and you will see the patents
Kirk DeKalb
Post by: Bigshooter on December 21, 2013, 05:19:09 AM
Quote[patent infringement n. the manufacture and/or use of an invention or improvement for which someone else owns a patent issued by the government, without obtaining permission of the owner of the patent by contract, license or waiver. The infringing party will be liable to the owner of the patent for all profits made from the use of the invention, as well as any harm which can be shown by the inventor, whether the infringement was intentional or not. (See: patent, infringement/quote]
I have a patent Dbfalls. You just told the world you are breaking the law and you are encouraging others to do the same. I have given the right to no one. Read the law again, especially the part about liability.
Kirk DeKalbQuoteIf these arent being sold it doesnt matter. I could hammer out a Ford F150 for myself if I wanted (hypothetically of course but you get the idea) for myself...Ford isnt going to come after me. A patent doesnt stop private citizens from making things for their own use, it stops them from selling them. Granted im just a dumb civil servant but you might want to ask your patent attorney before you sour more peoples opinion.
Think of the domino effect if nothing was said.
Read the law again, the infringing party is liable for what ever harm no matter whether intentional or not. You copy my patents and others see what you have done and it causes more infringement whether it is your intention or not. Your liable. You take pictures and videos or someone takes pictures and videos of your copy of my patent that encourages others to infringe on my patents, Your liable. The patents are My property according to the law. You copy, your a thief. Why would I spend thousands of dollars and over hundreds of hours developing a patent, just to let someone copy it if the law didn,t protect me.
As far as souring anything, all I did was point out fact.
Google - Kirk DeKalb - Patents, and you will see the patents
Kirk DeKalb
The one thing that sucks about patents is that there is nobody that polices them except for the person that owns them. This is why if I patented something I would sell the patent. Even if you took a person to court and they were found to be liable for copying a patent, if they weren't making any money off of it you'’re not going to get any money from taking them to court. Also I saw a couple days ago that the Senate is trying to make it more difficult to sue someone for copying a patent. Too many frivolous lawsuits filed by patent owners.
Post by: ruger357 on December 21, 2013, 07:05:19 PM
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