Post by: JPhelps on December 15, 2013, 07:33:17 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 15, 2013, 07:38:42 PM
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Post by: bowhunterforever on December 15, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
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Post by: Bigtine96 on December 15, 2013, 07:51:54 PM
Post by: ANDERWAGON on December 15, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
A Dandy!! :drool:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 15, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on December 15, 2013, 08:00:19 PM
DANDY! I hope he had to help the guide pack it out!
Post by: longrangekiller on December 15, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2013, 08:13:03 PM
:dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: BullMagnet76 on December 15, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 15, 2013, 09:04:54 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 15, 2013, 09:18:11 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 15, 2013, 09:22:16 PM
Amazing bull. I am surprised the head is just hacked off like that. I for sure would be mounting that bull!!!!He has so many 400 bulls this is a dink.. Only deserves a european in his mind
Post by: 3nails on December 15, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
Amazing bull. I am surprised the head is just hacked off like that. I for sure would be mounting that bull!!!!Looks caped out to me. Slit from head down the back. :dunno:
Post by: buglebuster on December 15, 2013, 09:41:41 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 15, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
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Post by: coachcw on December 16, 2013, 06:25:24 AM
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Post by: Dan-o on December 16, 2013, 07:25:53 AM
Post by: starbailey on December 16, 2013, 07:42:35 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on December 16, 2013, 12:07:38 PM
Post by: GHETTO GUIDE on December 16, 2013, 05:28:39 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
Can someone explain this process to me. He buys the tag for ?$$$ and then hires Mossback to scout all year. They in turn hire locals in the area to keep an eye out for the biggest pig? He is then packed in ? Scouts in the area all week keeping tabs on the bull? Whats the charge for Mossback? Tag? etc. And does he have to draw the Blues or its anywhere in the state?
Technically speaking, he didn't "buy" the tag. He won it in a raffle that he spent a whole ton of $$ on. There's guides, finder's fees, etc. I don't know that the charge for Mossback is known. He had the eastside raffle elk tag and the southeast big game combo raffle permit. 1 raffle tag specific to the Southeast and 1 for all of eastern washington, in any unit that had an open general season or special permit season in it.
Post by: undertoad on December 16, 2013, 05:57:39 PM
Congratulations to the fortunate hunter.
Post by: elkrack on December 18, 2013, 08:16:43 AM
Post by: furbearer365 on December 18, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 18, 2013, 05:58:23 PM
I am impressed with that bull for sure. I am not a Debbie-downer but I am not envious. I envy those that draw a tag, scout themselves, and hunt insanely hard and kill a bull of this magnitude.
If you had $3,000,000 that came in every year, would you feel the same way?
BTW, he did draw a tag. I'm not a proponent of this style of hunting because I enjoy the nitty-gritty as much as anyone but what he did was legal and ethical, just not our style. When I have that kind of money, I will probably spend an exorbitant amount of money on raffles...I probably wouldn't hire mossback though.
Post by: gunnarnewt on December 19, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Post by: furbearer365 on December 19, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
I am impressed with that bull for sure. I am not a Debbie-downer but I am not envious. I envy those that draw a tag, scout themselves, and hunt insanely hard and kill a bull of this magnitude.
If you had $3,000,000 that came in every year, would you feel the same way?
BTW, he did draw a tag. I'm not a proponent of this style of hunting because I enjoy the nitty-gritty as much as anyone but what he did was legal and ethical, just not our style. When I have that kind of money, I will probably spend an exorbitant amount of money on raffles...I probably wouldn't hire mossback though.
My views on HOW he killed the bull aren't related to money so I don't understand your question. Why would money make me hire a mob of Mossback idiots to track a bull for me just so I can shoot it? I am cool with him spending the money on the tag itself, getting the tag is the easy part if you have the money. I just cannot bring myself to ever pay a penny to someone to find me an animal. Especially a crooked crew like MOSSBACK. I see it as a waste to pay that much for a tag and not spend every waking second that you could trying to find that bull yourself. I just love that feeling at the end of the day that I did it, not someone else. Sure we all have buddies that help along the way on a tag but that is not the same. I wasn't at all down playing the bull or even hating on him for spending the money for the tag, I was just saying I am not envious of HIM. If I am going to ENVY someone, I will wait for that guy/gal that draws the tag, hunts hard, and kills a bull like that. Just not gonna envy him personally for that accomplishment
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 19, 2013, 03:23:57 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 19, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
I don't claim to know the whole story but I'm 99% positive that there was not a whole crew of Mossback guys hired to track the bull. I'm 99% sure that there was not a soul from Utah here at all.You are correct.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 19, 2013, 08:37:15 PM
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Post by: ELK SHOT on December 22, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: elkhunter1 on December 24, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
Post by: elkhunter1 on December 24, 2013, 07:14:14 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1287.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa627%2Fgraves151%2FDSCN0110_zps50a554eb.jpg&hash=4a693a2e4c88df7af78a05c12094c8612d0a2c50) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/graves151/media/DSCN0110_zps50a554eb.jpg.html)
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2013, 07:15:19 PM
Post by: elkhunter1 on December 24, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
Post by: Watimberghost on December 24, 2013, 07:37:38 PM
Post by: buglebuster on December 24, 2013, 09:18:03 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 24, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Did anyone see the pics of the governers tag :yike: holy $#!?i might have, was it the carpinito bull?
Post by: buglebuster on December 24, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
Post by: 724wd on December 24, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
and those sheds are insane! Mass doesn't come close to describing them! :yike:
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
where did you guys see it? :dunno:
and those sheds are insane! Mass doesn't come close to describing them! :yike:
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2013, 11:21:32 PM
Looks familiar!!
:chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2013, 11:25:52 PM
:yike::chuckle: Ya think!
Looks familiar!!
:chuckle:
Post by: Todd_ID on December 24, 2013, 11:33:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2013, 12:49:15 PM
Wow, they got him! Congrats to him. :tup:
Once he was relocated, I think he stayed pretty visible.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 27, 2013, 01:06:51 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 27, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
relocated what's the story? :dunno:Wow, they got him! Congrats to him. :tup:
Once he was relocated, I think he stayed pretty visible.
Post by: GoldTip on December 27, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 27, 2013, 01:47:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2013, 04:49:08 PM
Guy at work showed me that pic yesterday. I was trying to figure it out where he was hunting. So roughly how much does the governors tag go for?I think it was a little more than $40k this year.
Post by: JPhelps on December 27, 2013, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2013, 04:59:42 PM
$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?
I think he had 3 total plus the WSF sheep tag too.
Post by: JPhelps on December 27, 2013, 05:00:28 PM
$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?
I think he had 3 total plus the WSF sheep tag too.
I knew he had the 2 raffle tags and a sheep tag. I need a new job :bash:
Post by: Todd_ID on December 27, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 27, 2013, 05:06:46 PM
$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Post by: boneaddict on December 27, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
And you are not alone. It should be limited to 5 tickets each category per wild ID, I bet sales dollars would remain relatively the same yet eliminate the virtual guarantee that someone can simply "buy" the tag.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 27, 2013, 05:14:11 PM
And you are not alone. It should be limited to 5 tickets each category per wild ID, I bet sales dollars would remain relatively the same yet eliminate the virtual guarantee that someone can simply "buy" the tag.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Do you think that enough of us would jump in if there was a limit? It would take a lot of $15 "jump ins" to make up for $20k...
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
I do. I think more people like you would participate and also more people that are buying 1 or 2 tickets would max out at 5 as well.And you are not alone. It should be limited to 5 tickets each category per wild ID, I bet sales dollars would remain relatively the same yet eliminate the virtual guarantee that someone can simply "buy" the tag.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Do you think that enough of us would jump in if there was a limit? It would take a lot of $15 "jump ins" to make up for $20k...
Post by: boneaddict on December 27, 2013, 06:10:35 PM
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 30, 2013, 06:57:26 AM
I'd like to see where those dollars are truly being spent. I'm not sure 'Lots of good is being done' with those funds.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 30, 2013, 07:25:20 AM
I recently sent a email to wdfw sharing these exact thoughts. I feel there should be a cap as well. If people like klumper ( not knocking the guy ) keep buying the raffle people like me will stop participating and in the long run they will loose money. :twocents:I do. I think more people like you would participate and also more people that are buying 1 or 2 tickets would max out at 5 as well.And you are not alone. It should be limited to 5 tickets each category per wild ID, I bet sales dollars would remain relatively the same yet eliminate the virtual guarantee that someone can simply "buy" the tag.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Do you think that enough of us would jump in if there was a limit? It would take a lot of $15 "jump ins" to make up for $20k...
Post by: jackelope on December 30, 2013, 07:26:29 AM
People like you have already quit participating.
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 30, 2013, 07:28:41 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 30, 2013, 07:36:38 AM
That's what I am saying ...these guys pay all this money for these tags and think the money is doing something good ! Not saying it is not but I highly doubt it ....There is no way I heck I am paying that kinda of money to brag about this huge bull I killed ...Just not my way of hunting ...I would rather shoot a spike ... :yeah: But THIS IS JUST ME AND MY OPINION ..... :rolleyes:I'd like to see where those dollars are truly being spent. I'm not sure 'Lots of good is being done' with those funds.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 30, 2013, 07:37:41 AM
and do not pull an A&E on me and throw me off the air :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 30, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
That's what I am saying ...these guys pay all this money for these tags and think the money is doing something good ! Not saying it is not but I highly doubt it ....There is no way I heck I am paying that kinda of money to brag about this huge bull I killed ...Just not my way of hunting ...I would rather shoot a spike ... :yeah: But THIS IS JUST ME AND MY OPINION ..... :rolleyes:I'd like to see where those dollars are truly being spent. I'm not sure 'Lots of good is being done' with those funds.$44,000 for the governors tag. I wonder how much the two raffle tags cost?Roughly the same, but without the guarantee of getting either tag. Plus, if 2 people are seriously bidding for the Gov. tag, then the $44k price jumps to $60k.
Just once I'd like to see a 1-ticket-purchased guy get the tags out from under the $20k spent guys. I do want the $20k guys to continue paying that much, though. Lots of good is being done with that money.
:yeah: Agree with all comments above. Unfortunately, the "one ticket guy" won't be me. I quit playing when I figured out how this game was being played. I can't afford the donation...
These guys killing these animals aren't bragging about anything.
Post by: jackelope on December 30, 2013, 09:24:33 AM
Next question ....are these guys even on this site ? :dunno:
and do not pull an A&E on me and throw me off the air :chuckle: :chuckle:
No. There was one of the guys who participates now and then in the auction hunts that was a member, but after an endless ration of trash talk from the members, I think he decided to pull the plug.
:dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on December 30, 2013, 09:50:20 AM
With that being said, the WDFW is the product of our elected officials. We elect these people. The Governor then appoints commissioners, legislators approve the commissioners and pass the WAC's, commissioners choose the director and WDFW policies. Long story short, we are getting what the majority votes for.
I hold nothing against anyone who can afford these special tags and would buy them myself if I could afford it. It saddens me to know that the nasty comments of a few jealous members keeps the rest of us from hearing the hunt stories of these awesome animals. :bash: :twocents:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 30, 2013, 06:52:27 PM
Maybe someone write up a well written letter and get as many huntwa members to sign it?
Just curious.
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 31, 2013, 06:32:06 AM
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Post by: coachcw on December 31, 2013, 07:06:43 AM
Post by: gunnarnewt on December 31, 2013, 08:26:34 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 31, 2013, 09:23:59 AM
Ross, There is a survey the public can participate in where you can voice your opinion on many issues. I suggest ALL hunters voice thier opinions on this survey. I know there is not much faith that the state will even listen but it is an opportunity to give opinions on thier terms. I will address other issues with our chapter of WFW. I believe all chapters could pull some weight with the state if it is organized and addressed in the right way.I have taken the survey. Seemed pretty vague stuff on there.
Post by: NoBark on December 31, 2013, 09:45:54 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 31, 2013, 09:57:56 AM
ElkBurger, "voicing" your opinion to the WDFW gets you nowhere! I've watched many of their "surveys" and "Town Hall meetings" and have come to the conclusion that they are going to do what they want no matter what the "popular opinion" is. Case in point..... Mechanical duck decoys. :twocents:Like I said...Theres not much faith that the state will even listen....The town hall meetings are a bitch fest and the user groups start arguing amongst themselves. I dont think enough people participate because of lack of faith. I have seen some changes. Probably from massive input from certain usergroups or harvest reports. i.e. shorter early archery seasons, more rifle rut tags, etc...