Post by: dylanb on December 18, 2013, 10:01:25 AM
Post by: lokidog on December 18, 2013, 10:08:49 AM
Sorry to hear you could not find him, that's tough to take.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Post by: dylanb on December 18, 2013, 12:52:54 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 18, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Even though I think those broadheads are a gimmick if you did in fact get both lungs that deer would have died. Guts you may have pushed it and spooked the wounded deer from its death bed
I am betting on poor shot placement over faulty broadhead.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 18, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
Post by: dylanb on December 18, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on December 18, 2013, 03:03:26 PM
My mule deer doe went 15 feet with a double lung shot, both were bleeding like stuck pigs!
My doe was choking on her own blood so loud it was sickening even though it was oy for a few seconds.
Post by: dylanb on December 18, 2013, 04:09:11 PM
Post by: demontang on December 18, 2013, 04:13:24 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 04:16:25 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on December 18, 2013, 04:19:23 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Hmmm. Imagine that.that's it really? I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?
Post by: MLBowhunting on December 18, 2013, 04:20:13 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 18, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Hmmm. Imagine that.
Who would have thought :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 05:30:54 PM
Hmmm. Imagine that.that's it really? I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?
I just figured everyone knows my position on this head. And I've had plenty of post time to make my point.
But ok, if you want more...;
When Duke Savora worked with the Rhodesian government conducting the Chapinda Pools test they would not allow him to shoot an animal dead center through the heart/lung area. Their reasoning was you could not receive adequate information on efficiency and effectiveness of the instrument as nearly anything of over 75 caliber would be effective even if only slightly sharp or a low velocity bullet. Only after much debate and Savora's insistence was it agreed they would take a couple impala with a heart/lung shot as a base line for comparison. As we sat around the dinning room table eating tacos he described how difficult it actually was to get a good heart/lung shot on the quick and skittish impala.
When a marginal shot is in play no gimmick can overcome the effectiveness of a sharp blade that stays sharp throughout it's penetration of tissue. Circle cut blades, square blades, triangle blades, four blades, five blades or six blades simply do not add a benefit beyond the marketing and spin of advertising. Maybe...maybe you can get a better external bleed with four blades over three, but that would be about all one could expect. That possible advantage can not overcome the disadvantages that come with the additional stimulation of blood platelets'. Sharpness and blade quality rule all when it comes to marginal shots with a broadhead tipped arrow. If you want to be serious about killing an animal as fast as possible even when shots don't always find their exact mark leave gimmicks on the playground and shoot a straight razor of quality steel.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 18, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
Is it just me that gets excited whenever RadSav writes a long post?
Post by: MLBowhunting on December 18, 2013, 05:39:18 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on December 18, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
Both my deer and my wife's were double lung shot but I do not think toxic broadheads would do very well with a shoulder shot, even though it double lunged the deer I harvested it just barely had complete pass through and that was at 25 yards with a compound bow with a 60#lb draw weight.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 18, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
Just looked up the Toxics, that's mighty bizarre looking and does look like a gimmick. Seems like it would tend to allow the wound to close back in behind it and have issues even penetrating with all of that frontal area. :dunno:
Post by: dylanb on December 18, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 06:28:22 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
Oh boy I'm really starting to question some of your equipment choices toxic now bowtech? I guess we just figured out why your shot was off its mark :chuckle:
And what was your excuse? ...Oh yeah that's right. It was the $50 range finder. At least that Hoyt missed her clean :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
that's right never mine or the bows fault. That hoyt doesn't miss very often.Oh boy I'm really starting to question some of your equipment choices toxic now bowtech? I guess we just figured out why your shot was off its mark :chuckle:
And what was your excuse? ...Oh yeah that's right. It was the $50 range finder. At least that Hoyt missed her clean :chuckle:
Post by: stromdiddily on December 18, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
Saw that one coming
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Post by: D-Rock425 on December 18, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 06:59:20 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on December 18, 2013, 10:04:42 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on December 20, 2013, 07:05:57 PM
I shoot Shuttle T Broadheads. I have been bow hunting for over 40 years and have never had a broadhead stop animals faster,penetrate better or leave a larger ENTRANCE hole . Blood trails are stupid easy to follow.
A sharp broadhead even when placed poorly will bleed longer than a marginally sharp broadhead.
They do not seem to slow down much thru shoulders or briskets .
Post by: dylanb on January 12, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
To add to that, I've seen those toxic's first hand, and they're NOT sharp at all. The ones I've seen unshot straight outa the package. Come dulled. Like glide your finger on them without a cut dull.Hmmm. Imagine that.that's it really? I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?
I just figured everyone knows my position on this head. And I've had plenty of post time to make my point.
But ok, if you want more...;
When Duke Savora worked with the Rhodesian government conducting the Chapinda Pools test they would not allow him to shoot an animal dead center through the heart/lung area. Their reasoning was you could not receive adequate information on efficiency and effectiveness of the instrument as nearly anything of over 75 caliber would be effective even if only slightly sharp or a low velocity bullet. Only after much debate and Savora's insistence was it agreed they would take a couple impala with a heart/lung shot as a base line for comparison. As we sat around the dinning room table eating tacos he described how difficult it actually was to get a good heart/lung shot on the quick and skittish impala.
When a marginal shot is in play no gimmick can overcome the effectiveness of a sharp blade that stays sharp throughout it's penetration of tissue. Circle cut blades, square blades, triangle blades, four blades, five blades or six blades simply do not add a benefit beyond the marketing and spin of advertising. Maybe...maybe you can get a better external bleed with four blades over three, but that would be about all one could expect. That possible advantage can not overcome the disadvantages that come with the additional stimulation of blood platelets'. Sharpness and blade quality rule all when it comes to marginal shots with a broadhead tipped arrow. If you want to be serious about killing an animal as fast as possible even when shots don't always find their exact mark leave gimmicks on the playground and shoot a straight razor of quality steel.
Post by: dylanb on January 12, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Dont let the guy's hype on the video fool ya though.
TOXIC Broadhead! Flying Arrow Archery's 6-Bladed Innovation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSGnegcDXhc#ws)
Go to around 2:00 minute mark.
Im a Toxic Hater.
Post by: RadSav on January 12, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
My kuiu gear got here so I decided to go test it out and look around for sheds and maybe my buck. I stand in the spot I shot him replaying the shot over in my head. There's a deer standing less then 20 yards from where he was when I let my arrow fly. I put a little stalk on it and I realise it's the spike I shot! He looked perfectly healthy with a little tuff of hair gone where I hit him. I had to of got liver atleast. But the deer looked very healthy and will continue to grow so I can't be upset. I'm glad he is alive and well that's forsure
That's good news. Always have to worry about bad infections with circle cutters. I'm happy he was one of the lucky ones. I'd rather the coyotes and crows eat mice and road kill ;)
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 12, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
My kuiu gear got here so I decided to go test it out and look around for sheds and maybe my buck. I stand in the spot I shot him replaying the shot over in my head. There's a deer standing less then 20 yards from where he was when I let my arrow fly. I put a little stalk on it and I realise it's the spike I shot! He looked perfectly healthy with a little tuff of hair gone where I hit him. I had to of got liver atleast. But the deer looked very healthy and will continue to grow so I can't be upset. I'm glad he is alive and well that's forsure
That's good news. Always have to worry about bad infections with circle cutters.
:chuckle: :chuckle: I guess that's a nod to it's lack of lethality