Post by: ElkBOW79 on December 23, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
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Post by: et1702 on December 23, 2013, 12:49:35 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that WDFW requires 6gr per lb of draw weight with 300 gr arrow min. weight. So, for instance, if you shoot 70lb draw weight, you need 420gr arrows (total weight; including nock, arrow, inserts, BH and fletching).
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Post by: ElkBOW79 on December 23, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
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Post by: Come Get Some on December 24, 2013, 07:47:58 AM
Post by: et1702 on December 24, 2013, 08:34:49 AM
@ET1702..my draw is 70lb..I shoot an older Hoyt cam & 1/2, draw length is 28 (I'm guessing since my arrows are 28.75). Not sure what BH type is and not sure where the weight is. I've been looking at the carbon express maxima hunter, I've heard good reviews..they are 350 grams..I've been shooting a 125 gram muzzy broad head, lumenok nocks (I believe they are around 22 grams) and older gold tip arrows..
I have almost the same bow; mine is a Hoyt Trykon XL. The Maxima 350's should shoot very well, as I've used them before with almost the same setup. Since you are using a Luminok (i.e., extra weight in the back of arrow) I would stay with the 125gr BH's (i.e., don't go lighter than 125gr). If you go with a lighter BH, you may not have enough FOC (i.e., you want the arrow to have more weight "forward of center" for proper flight). The maxima 350's are 8.9gr per inch. So, shaft is 249gr + 125gr BH =374gr, +22gr Luminok =396gr. If you add approx 12 gr for BH insert and 10 to 15 gr for fletches, you are just barely at legal hunting weight of 420gr. So, if you want to stay with a light arrow, make sure it is apporx. 9gr per inch (gpi) and at least .340 spine and it should shoot ok and barely make legal hunting weight.
As other's have mentioned, I personally like a heavier shaft (i.e., approx 10+ gpi). I also shoot a heavier BH (150gr) and currently my total arrow weight is approx 525gr. A heavier projectile will retain more downrange velocity and momentum vs a lighter projectile. So, its not going to drop as much as you might think at your 60yrd max. KE is off the charts with this setup, but momentum and FOC are more
important for penetration and exceptional arrow flight.
Personally, I'd recommend the Maxima 450's which have a .300 spine and a 150gr BH (I shoot Strickland Archery's Helix two blade BH). The 450's are only 9.7 gpi and your total setup w/125gr BH should be about 450 to 460gr. If you want to keep your BH's but increase FOC, use a brass insert for the BH and you will still be less than 480gr. But, your arrows will fly like a dart!
Hope this helps.
ET
Post by: lokidog on December 24, 2013, 10:47:35 AM
@ET1702..my draw is 70lb..I shoot an older Hoyt cam & 1/2, draw length is 28 (I'm guessing since my arrows are 28.75). Not sure what BH type is and not sure where the weight is. I've been looking at the carbon express maxima hunter, I've heard good reviews..they are 350 grams..I've been shooting a 125 gram muzzy broad head, lumenok nocks (I believe they are around 22 grams) and older gold tip arrows..
Just a note ElkBow, the "gr" stands for grains not grams (g). 1 g = 15.43 gr
Post by: et1702 on December 24, 2013, 11:05:23 AM
@ET1702..my draw is 70lb..I shoot an older Hoyt cam & 1/2, draw length is 28 (I'm guessing since my arrows are 28.75). Not sure what BH type is and not sure where the weight is. I've been looking at the carbon express maxima hunter, I've heard good reviews..they are 350 grams..I've been shooting a 125 gram muzzy broad head, lumenok nocks (I believe they are around 22 grams) and older gold tip arrows..
Just a note ElkBow, the "gr" stands for grains not grams (g). 1 g = 15.43 gr
Also, the "350" designation for Carbon Express (CE) arrows doesn't mean that they weigh 350gr. CE's 350 designation is more closely aligned with the arrows "Spine" or stiffness. That being said, CE's numbering system is backwards from what most other arrow manufactures. For instance, CE's .300 spine arrow is a Maxima 450. Most other manufacturers would call this a 300 series arrow. CE's .400 spine shafts have a 250 designation. Note, the lower the Spine number the stiffer the arrow.
If you are shooting a bow with two "hard" cams (like the hoyt Cam & 1/2 system), I found the maxima 350 is right on the edge of not being stiff enough for 125gr BH's and 70lbs draw weight. Before I switched to my heavier arrow setup a few years ago, I just cranked the draw weight down to 67lbs and they shot awesome.
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Post by: troyspinetar on December 24, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
Post by: ElkBOW79 on December 24, 2013, 03:33:33 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 25, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
Seems like the general opinion is just legal weight arrows. Heavy arrows carrry more kenetic energy,penetrate better and are tougher. There is always a middle of the road. If you can afford them ACC's are Tough and very consistant for grain weight and straightness. Alot of guys will say they are not any better,That usually means they have never shot them. Hopefully you only have to shoot 1 or 2 arrows a year at animals. In that case buy the best arrrow you can afford. Tip them with Shuttle T Broadheads and it will be a deadly combination.I've shot them and others didn't think they were worth the extra money.
Post by: Come Get Some on December 25, 2013, 03:23:46 PM
Seems like the general opinion is just legal weight arrows. Heavy arrows carrry more kenetic energy,penetrate better and are tougher. There is always a middle of the road. If you can afford them ACC's are Tough and very consistant for grain weight and straightness. Alot of guys will say they are not any better,That usually means they have never shot them. Hopefully you only have to shoot 1 or 2 arrows a year at animals. In that case buy the best arrrow you can afford. Tip them with Shuttle T Broadheads and it will be a deadly combination.I've shot them and others didn't think they were worth the extra money.
Like I said it depends on your expectations and ability. They do shoot more accurately if you are capable And are stiffer and tougher
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 25, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
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Post by: demontang on January 07, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
I go a complete pass through at 55yds on my buck and the arrow stuck in the hill behind him about 18-20".
The ce are great arrow just arnt as strong as some others, the acc or fmj have the best spine uniformity from everything ive seen, but my gold tips work great for me.
Post by: yajsab on January 07, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
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Post by: Bow Tech on January 09, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
knowing is very hard for the brain to over come :o
Post by: demontang on January 09, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
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Post by: Come Get Some on January 10, 2014, 08:05:26 AM
Lol well I shot mine and they all hit the same spot but I know they arent as consistant as my target arrows by any means :tup:
HMMMM. They all hit the same spot but ARE NOT AS CONSISTANT AS YOU TARGET ARROWS. How big is the spot. Your target arrows must not last long ,Hitting the same spot usually means a robin hood. :chuckle: Wouldnt you want the same consistancy with hunting arrows??? 2 points at a tournament is definately worth a lot more than filling your freezer or wounding an animal.Add a broadhead,hillside,wind,rain or snow. More factors to make a less perfect arrow fly worse or impact differently. Guarantee although my ACC 371's are very accurate they do not shoot as well as my X10 Protour's. I sight in at a 2" dot at 80 yds with my broadheads. They shoot consistant enough that you do not want to shoot more than 1 0r 2 or you will be ruining arrows. Hard to do with a cheap arrow.
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
I can hold about a 3-4" group at 80yds with 5 hunting arrows. So id think thats not to bad but im not an expert just a beginner lol :IBCOOL:
Post by: Greg Mullins on April 03, 2014, 09:02:31 PM