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Other Activities => Fishing => Topic started by: TheHunt on December 25, 2013, 07:03:48 PM

Title: Need opinions
Post by: TheHunt on December 25, 2013, 07:03:48 PM: I talked to a person who was asking for individuals to go fishing with him.

I have no problem paying my bill. I am just wanting to see what you all think?

Three people in a 17 foot boat.

6 HP engine for trolling motor
60 HP main engine

Looking for 40 dollars each with would be 80 dollars total.
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 25, 2013, 07:11:57 PM: I think a $20 would cover fuel easily, obviously he has his boat costs but hey those are his and he can't expect to recoup those from friends he takes. If he does then in my opinion that's when it comes to being a guide service.
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on December 25, 2013, 07:46:44 PM: Very fair I think. Also he's taking the additional cost in gas to trailer the boat. Sleds are spendy..... :twocents:
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Post by: cohoho on December 25, 2013, 07:55:40 PM: Depends, is he bringing bait, paying ramp fees, how much gas are you going to burn burning, riding with him in his vehicle to and from. Can't assume he is banking anything only dividing cost equally as it relates to the trip...
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Post by: buckfvr on December 25, 2013, 08:01:40 PM: Sounds like he just wants others to pay the price of him going fishing......
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: TheHunt on December 25, 2013, 08:09:36 PM: Quote from: cohoho on December 25, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
Depends, is he bringing bait, paying ramp fees, how much gas are you going to burn burning, riding with him in his vehicle to and from. Can't assume he is banking anything only dividing cost equally as it relates to the trip...

Nope just meeting him at the boat ramp.
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: cohoho on December 26, 2013, 06:26:55 AM: Can't imagine a 60hp would burn much in regards of gas, unless he is running way up or down river. If I drive and pick folks along I-5 to and from - use the Columbia from Black Diamond area it is about $120 in diesel - normally a tank full for the round trip pulling boat. Then I burn about 10 or so gallons gas about $40, get bait for Sturgeon about $20, boat ramp - normally one of us throws whatever we have in the wallets towards that. But anyhow, the cost as example are $180, normally just divide by 4 or 3, how many on boat and that is what we divide up to get a cost, but most times I say $40-50 bucks. It makes it easier to fish as much as I do with the same group of people too and it covers fuel, bait only - boat expenses are all mine. When I fish with anyone else in their boat, I always ask them what they need for gas - normally the same $40-50, as gas isn't cheap as we all know.
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Post by: Hunting7mm on December 26, 2013, 07:16:13 AM: I don't ask for money when I take friends fishing with me. Most of the time they pitch in some money for fuel and I always tell them they need to buy their own bait. Again I don't ask for money but just to put it into simple terms truck and boat fuel $180 to $200, bait $20, don't forget lunch and launch fees $10-$15. It's not cheap but then again I don't want my boat to be a lawn ornament either.
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: Bullkllr on December 26, 2013, 08:31:52 AM: Quote from: TheHunt on December 25, 2013, 07:03:48 PM
I talked to a person who was asking for individuals to go fishing with him.

I have no problem paying my bill. I am just wanting to see what you all think?

Three people in a 17 foot boat.

6 HP engine for trolling motor
60 HP main engine

Looking for 40 dollars each with would be 80 dollars total.

120$ in fuel only seems somewhat high. On the ocean I would say that seems about right. As noted there may be other costs possible, but may not apply to your situation.

Really, 40$ may not be a bad investment in a learning experience though. You may learn you made a mistake you will not want to repeat. Or you may learn you have gained a possible new partner.

Personally, I've always found the experience with relative strangers a high enough risk to avoid it mostly these days.
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Post by: Elkrunner on December 26, 2013, 08:53:03 AM: How far is the drive to the fishing spot? He may be copnsuming a lot of gas to get there and back. I always help my brother in law out with that when we go.
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Post by: lokidog on December 26, 2013, 09:54:50 AM: Being on the boat owner side of this, people that are willing to chip in their fair share are invited back much more frequently than those who don't. But you should also have some expectations of things like how long you will be out, whether or not you supply the gear and if it is supplied that it is in good shape and of sufficient quantity to get a good day of fishing in.

Now, is $40 for a day of fishing your "fair" share? I usually know at the end of the day what my costs were for the day and that is when I will let people know. I do have an "it shouldn't cost more than X amount" in mind though as I know what my mileage is for me vehicle and for my boat. Truck with trailer 11 mpg, 90hp on a 19' boat 5 mpg cruising but better trolling. However, sometimes things happen which increase costs, maybe you have to motor around more looking for fish, or you lose a bunch of gear. I lost about $100 worth of gear salmon fishing one day, one guy chipped in some extra the other guy didn't, guess who got invited back again? And, maintenance/upkeep costs are definitely something to consider even for someone not using a "guide service", will you be helping with boat clean up, launch fees, bait costs, etc?

If you measure your success by how much you pay per pound of fish/crab/shrimp, maybe go to Safeway instead of spending a day on the water, or try renting a boat for a day and see what that costs.

:twocents:
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on December 26, 2013, 10:31:23 AM: I worked with a guy that was heavy into Bass Fishing. He and a friend even entered a lot of Bass Tournaments. I remember seeing him on one of the National bass tournament TV shows as he was walking in to sign up. He told me once that he used to take people he knew fishing, and stopped doing it because after the day was over, not one person ever even offered to chip in for gas or anything. He died a couple of years ago, so there's no chance of him reading this. (I hope!) :chuckle:
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Post by: BigD on December 26, 2013, 10:44:23 AM: I think what you really need to do is just ask yourself, is it worth it to you? Maybe it is more than the cost of fuel, but is it wort it to you?
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Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 10:49:35 AM: If I was wanting to go fishing I wouldn't even question the $40. That sounds very reasonable to me.
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Post by: MtnMuley on December 26, 2013, 11:00:41 AM: once again, I would agree with bobcat..........am I seeing a new trend with him answering logically instead of argumentally??? :chuckle:
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Post by: Timberstalker on December 26, 2013, 11:12:06 AM: Quote from: MtnMuley on December 26, 2013, 11:00:41 AM
once again, I would agree with bobcat..........am I seeing a new trend with him answering logically instead of argumentally??? :chuckle:
New Years resolution?
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: Hunterman on December 26, 2013, 11:12:55 AM: Quote from: MtnMuley on December 26, 2013, 11:00:41 AM
once again, I would agree with bobcat..........am I seeing a new trend with him answering logically instead of argumentally??? :chuckle:

He goes through mood swings :chuckle: Living with all females :chuckle: Been there done that :bash:

Hunterman(Tony)
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 11:39:52 AM: Well, what can I say?

Boats are expensive and so is the fuel to run them all day. $40 is a very low price to pay for a day of fishing.

And yes, it is challenging to live in a house full of females- heck even the dog is a girl. I'm outnumbered 4 to 1. :yike:

Oh, and I don't do New Year's resoulutions- never have. I figure what's the point, I know I don't have the willpower to last more than a couple of weeks. However if I had to choose one it would be to get my butt in shape before next hunting season.
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Post by: MtnMuley on December 26, 2013, 11:50:47 AM: Boats are very expensive when you consider all costs. Just a few that slip by many are, Two stroke oil ($150 a year for me). Insurance ($385 a year for me). Boat tabs. Trailer Tabs. Gear oil for the lower units. Bearings regreased/packed (thank God for bearing buddies). Fuel conditioner (If you're not using ethanol free). Stabil(which I use every fill up). Those are just a few of the many hidden costs that most passengers don't realize. I've never asked for anybody to every help with costs with anything in my boat, but have gotten the occasional few bucks here and there for gas.
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Post by: lokidog on December 26, 2013, 01:48:37 PM: I guess that makes me a greedy, bad person.... :dunno: I expect to at least be offered something as the person with all of the expenses. It should be up to me, as the one with the bulk of the expenses, to turn offers down.

Quote from: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 10:49:35 AM
If I was wanting to go fishing I wouldn't even question the $40. That sounds very reasonable to me.

:yeah:
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Post by: Button Nubbs on December 26, 2013, 02:10:27 PM: $40 is my standard for sled trips. I'd rather overcompensate my friends than be stingy. Plus they have to run the boat all day which can be a pain in the arse
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: FC on December 26, 2013, 05:35:53 PM: Quote from: TheHunt on December 25, 2013, 07:03:48 PM

Three people in a 17 foot boat.

Looking for 40 dollars each with would be 80 dollars total.

3x $40 would actually be $120. This assumes that the boat owner is paying a share of course!

My own 17' 120hp i/o Reinell won't even HOLD $120 in gas lol, the most I have ever gone through in a long day of fishing with a lot of running around is about 15 gallons. I ran over 40 miles that day and trolled for 6+ hours on the main motor. The launch costs $9 but I buy a yearly pass for $150 for Everett 10th street launch. Crab bait and gear costs a little extra but if you are willing to pay $40 a trip you can fish with me anytime!
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Post by: Ridgeratt on December 26, 2013, 06:57:21 PM: Isn't there one poster who ends up with derelict salvage fees quite often? Ya know fetching your boat back cost's mony!!!! :chuckle:

When I invite someone if they are short just tell me. I'm going fishing anyway.

Took my hunting buddy Salmon fishing in Lewiston this fall he had no gear but bought gas. Lost all the set-up so I'm going to get a display like the Zippy mart. everything has a price tag and he can just start a tab!!!
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: trophyhunt on December 26, 2013, 07:09:16 PM: When my cousin takes me out in the sound for salmon I usually give him 20, bring him a good sandwich for lunch and supply his beer. Being a captain of the boat is a big responsibility, his knowledge is priceless. A good captain understands the risk involved with boating and is responsible for everyone on board.
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Post by: MLBowhunting on December 26, 2013, 07:30:55 PM: Sounds fair :tup:
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Post by: jason stevens on December 26, 2013, 07:34:15 PM: A good day fishing with friends beats a day off the water pay up and enjoy could be the start of a bunch more trips or buy a boat.
Title: Re: Need opinions
Post by: huntnphool on December 26, 2013, 07:36:05 PM: Quote from: cohoho on December 26, 2013, 06:26:55 AM
Can't imagine a 60hp would burn much in regards of gas, unless he is running way up or down river. If I drive and pick folks along I-5 to and from - use the Columbia from Black Diamond area it is about $120 in diesel - normally a tank full for the round trip pulling boat. Then I burn about 10 or so gallons gas about $40, get bait for Sturgeon about $20, boat ramp - normally one of us throws whatever we have in the wallets towards that. But anyhow, the cost as example are $180, normally just divide by 4 or 3, how many on boat and that is what we divide up to get a cost, but most times I say $40-50 bucks. It makes it easier to fish as much as I do with the same group of people too and it covers fuel, bait only - boat expenses are all mine. When I fish with anyone else in their boat, I always ask them what they need for gas - normally the same $40-50, as gas isn't cheap as we all know.
If I go a lot with the same guys we generally do the same as Coho. A lot of times I just want to go and it's a lot of work by myself so I'll ask a couple guys to go. When I do that then I don't expect them to pay anything, since I was going to go anyway and having them along makes it possible. Now if they want to chip in then great but I don't ask for it in that situation. :twocents: