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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: duckmen1 on December 27, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
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Figured I would start a topic about air rifles. I got one for Christmas and pulled it out and started having a little fun. Got the beeman silver Kodiak 2 .177 and also a 22 barrel with it. Replaced the beman 4 power scope that came with it and put a 3x9 bushnell on. Dramatic difference in accuracy using this scope. At 25 yards with the 4 power scope I would not be able to get a group to save my life. Some shots missing the whole target. Now with the other scope I am getting about 2-3 inch groups at 20 yards on first session out. So that's a start. Using hollow points on 22 cal barrel. At 10 yards was averaging about 3/4 to 1 inch.
Will be trying different loads and different distances and see what I come up with. Will try the .177 barrel soon.
How is your accuracy with a air rifle.
Do different pellets make much difference in your guns.
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I bought a Beman a couple years ago. Figured it would be an upgrade on a lifetime of Daisys and Crosmans.
Mine has the worst trigger I've ever seen on a gun. And the recoil, while not rifle-like, freaks me out- the gun literally jumps up and forward.
I like the 3x9 scope that came with it. I remember hearing something about high-power air rifles being very hard on normal scopes because of the "reverse recoil" and to use only scopes designed for airguns. Someone else may be able to give more info about this.
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My gun does have an extremely long trigger pull, loud, and a lot of recoil. But it's nice for what it is. I don't expect to have xbolt quality on an air gun. :chuckle:
As far as scopes go I believe you are correct but the scope that came with mine was clear but wouldn't hold a zero. So put an old scope on that we don't use on our guns anymore so we will see how long it holds up.
As far as loud and recoil goes I like it because it makes it feel more like I'm actually shooting something not just a toy. I was actually surprised at the penetration the 22 got through wood considering.
Will do more shooting tomorrow. Just something to keep me occupied without having to spend 50 bucks a day at the range.
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Has different pellets made a big difference in accuracy to anyone?
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Has different pellets made a big difference in accuracy to anyone?
Yes, with my Benjamin Marauder .177, the flat-nosed target pellets were the best for accuracy. that gun has an unshrouded barrel, and is very loud!
My Benjamin Marauder .22 air pistol, on the other hand, has a shrouded barrel and is quiet! It has a Barska 3-12 air rifle scope and a shoulder stock (provided with the gun), and is deadly accurate. The scope has a mil-dot reticle, and I've dropped Starlings holding the POST that holds the mil-dots at the top of the bird's head, and the parallax/focus set at 300 yards. I grew up with rifles, and until recently, never thought much of air guns, but these things are amazing!
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My newest air rifle is an RWS 460 magnum. It can shoot a nickel group at 50 yards. Great shooter.
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Benjamin Rogue .357 :tup:
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Air guns have come a long way in recent years. Some manufacturers even make .50 caliber air guns. (But you only get about 5 shots per fill!) :chuckle:
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Swapped barrels to 177 cal and went to 25 yards using gamo bb tipped pellets. Of the 3 groups smallest was .9" largest was 1.8".
The 22 cal barrel is getting 3 to 4 inch groups at that distance.
So liking the accuracy of 177 but like the power of 22. Still need more time to perfect my loads but having fun.
Pic of 177 cal groups
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I have a Benjamin .22 and I get about 1/2- 1 inch groups at 30 yards.
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What pellets are you using. I tried 4 kinds of Benjamin lead and a cross an lead and all have sucked.
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We bought a Gamo Whisper .177 at 20 yards we are hitting silver dollar steel targets all day long. I want to swap out the original scope though.
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Predator polymag. They have a red polymer tip.
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Hey turkey.
Have different brand pellets shown a big accuracy difference for you.
I like the look of those pellets.
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I have only used two different types of pellets so far. I can't remember the first type, but I do know they were a cheaper round nose type. I noticed a little difference but even the cheap ones were pretty accurate for me.
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I used to shoot them all the time. I have a beeman r7 and a beeman/feinwerkbau sporter with the really fancy wood. Both break barrels. Both of these are made in Germany by beeman, and I believe there is a considerable difference in quality between those and the ones that are made in china that beeman puts their name on. Not knocking them by the way, I have shot some and they are still some pretty nice air rifles. But the best pellets are the beeman brand ones, wadcutters are probably generally the most accurate. I like the domed ones for shooting birds. You can do better on groups than what you have posted, just need to try different pellets and make sure you seat them in the bore flush. Beeman actually makes a pellet seating tool and it helped tighten groups in my rifles.
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I have a Gamo Big Cat 1200 a few years ago, 177 caliber.I use Crossman Premier Hollow Point Hunting Pellets. It came with a Gamo probably 4 power scope. I shoot targets in the back yard off of the picnic table problably twelve yards or so and get then with in a quarter size target, I will go through a 3/4" pice of wood that I staple the target on. Onece I hung the target board on the shed when I first got the pellet gun and the pellets wnt through the 3/4" backstop and ended up in the siding on the shed. Now I hang the target on the ceder fence, with a piece of 3'4" plywood behind the 3/4" wood backstop. I've shot loads of starlings and other things with this pellet gun.
Years ago a friend bought me a Chinese Pellet gun form one of those cheap tool sales for $20, 1'000 feet per second, 177 caliber. It had adjustable rifle sights. I shot a ton of stuff with that cheap pellet gun, I just gave it to a friend a couple of months ago. He has an old Benjamin air rifle that doesn't work anymore.
These newer pellet guns areway better then they were twenty years ago. My neighbor has a Crossman 760 pump pellet/BB gun. We were having a few beers last summer and we got to talking guns and he said I should buy a REAL PELLET GUN, A Crossman 760 like his. I bet him $20 my Gamo was more powerful then his Crossman.
He went to his house and got his Crossman and I got my Gamo. I filled two empty beer cans with water and set them up about 40 feet away from the patio. The deal was who ever knocked the can off of the 4x4 post with the less amount of shots won. I let him shoot first, the first shot dented the can, the second shot penetrated the can, the third shot knocked the can off of the 4x4,
He was bragging that his gun can be pumped up to ten times and was the best of the best.
I grabed one pellet, he said you might aswell take the whole can of pellets. I told him double or nothing I will knock the can over with my forst shot. His reply was *censored*, my gun couldn't do it. Needless to say the $40 felt good in my pocket. When I shoot beer/soda cans full of water the pellet rips about an inch & a half long tear in the front of the can, exits the backof the can and knocks them over, one shot.
I'd like to get a nice high end pellet gun some time, until then this Gamo pellet gun will fill the bill.
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I'd like to get a nice high end pellet gun some time, until then this Gamo pellet gun will fill the bill.
If you get a better airgun, get a PCP with a shrouded barrel. (Precharged Pneumatic) I have one of the early .177 Benjamin Marauder rifles, and the unshrouded barrel on it makes it nearly as loud as a 22 rimfire. It's also a single shot, which is a PITA. The new ones have a 10 round magazine. I also have a Benjamin Marauder .22 caliber air pistol with a shrouded barrel and an 8 round magazine. (The new ones have a 10 round magazine). I pump up the tanks with a heavy duty bicycle pump and get 30 to 40 shots per fill. I wish I had kept one of my SCUBA tanks, because you can get an adapter to fill the guns from an air tank. I could get a lot of 3000 PSI fills from an 80 cu. ft. tank, and not have to work as hard. I got my guns and pellets from Pyramid Air. Good prices and fast shipping. :tup:
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Check out these two sights:
www.airgundepot.com (ftp://www.airgundepot.com)
www.pyramydair.com (ftp://www.pyramydair.com)
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I have a Gamo .177 with the factory scope still on it, this was using standard lead pellets at around 15 yards, Like it a great rodent eliminator and fun to shoot.
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Great reviews and shooting videos.
http://tedsholdover.com/ (http://tedsholdover.com/)
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdgunUSA (http://www.youtube.com/user/EdgunUSA)
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Check out these two sights:
www.airgundepot.com (ftp://www.airgundepot.com)
www.pyramydair.com (ftp://www.pyramydair.com)
FYI: Pyramyd Air now spells their name PYRAMID AIR.... :llam:
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I have the Beeman Grizzly, two barrels/two calibers as well. The scope that came with mine was complete crap, the turrents didn't work. I would make an adjustment and the point of impact would be the same as the previous shot. Air rifles do have a reverse recoil that will kill a normal rifle scope since most are only built to take recoil in one direction. As far as accuracy, at 25 yards I was putting pellets through the same hole. Certain pellets will do better than others just like rifle and different rounds. Make sure the screw for the barrel is tight and doesn't loosen up.
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I have a cheapo wally world air rifle (crossman break action) rated at 1200fps with alloys and 1000fps with lead pellets. I use the hollow point pellets made by I believe crossman. The difference in accuracy between pellets is impressive, my rifle groups under 1/4" at 25 yards using a 4x Simmons that came with my Savage 22. It does make a big difference on whether or not the bore is clean so try that and a few different pellets. I "sighted in" Cap Silver's air rifle as I had told him mine was so accurate and he couldn't hit a barn door with his. It turned out to be the pellets he was using not stabilizing well in his gun, they keyholed from mine so I am thinking they suck.
I got a new trigger from this guy.
http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm)
Talk about a HUGE difference!
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I have the rws 48.....and it's dangerously accurate with 9.3gr pellets. It'll kill a raccoon in my garbage can at 41 paces too.....I think.
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I have the rws 48.....and it's dangerously accurate with 9.3gr pellets. It'll kill a raccoon in my garbage can at 41 paces too.....I think.
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Got a few of my tightest groups today with my 177 barrel. Noticed something that has been going on. The barrel when closing hasn't always closed properly so when I was really careful it was shooting good. Still need to figure out the 22 barrel but think I will try those predator pollymag pellets.
Got one that was .5 inch and several others around inch.
When the barrel wasn't getting a tight close it was getting groups up to 2 inch
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Try a few different pellet types, most newer air rifles are pretty accurate.
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Have a starter tester pack of Benjamin 22 cal pellets so tested some today.making sure the barrel was staying tightly closed and on a good rest at 25 yards. The big group was hollow points and the small group was round nose. Both all lead. These groups are in pic.
Took the pointed hollow points or what looks more like a wad cutter and got about the same size group as regular hollow points. Also took pointed tips and got the same size groups as round nose.
At ten yards all pellets were between half to 3/4 inch.
So any distance really started to pick apart what the gun was liking and not.
Need to sight in now and do more practice
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Oddly enough, I found the flat-nosed "target" pellets to be the most accurate. :dunno:
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It's crazy how different similar rifles shoot different pellets.
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That being said; I shoot the Beeman Kodiak .22 pellets (made in Germany by H&N Sport) in my Benjamin Marauder PCP air pistol. Lots of dead Starlings and Eurasian Doves will testify to their accuracy. (Oh, that's right--they can't!). :chuckle:
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There's some cool YouTube vids of a guy pounding starlings from a looong ways off.
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I killed two starlings last night about 75 yards out. I think it has a higher muzzle velocity than a .22lr but not as much carrying distance. All heresay at the moment, but dang, I never imagined shooting birds that far off. Goal this year is NO breeding pairs of starling at my Cove.
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I killed two starlings last night about 75 yards out. I think it has a higher muzzle velocity than a .22lr but not as much carrying distance. All heresay at the moment, but dang, I never imagined shooting birds that far off. Goal this year is NO breeding pairs of starling at my Cove.
I'm amazed, too, at how far they carry. I have a Mil-Dot scope on mine, and I've killed Starlings so far out that I put the post that the mildots are on at the top of the bird's head! My neighbor's wife raves that there aren't as many Starlings in her garden since I've been eliminating them! :tup:
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My set up....
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Is it legal to hunt grouse with the 177?
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I wish but no. Not legal to hunt game animals or game birds with air rifles in Washington.
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But in anti gun Calif. you can hunt turkeys with the .177 or .22!
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I have a BSA TechStar. 22 caliber with that puts out about 34 ft/lbs at the muzzle with Kodiak pellets. It runs at 2200 PSI and is a PCP. Accuracy is dime sized at 50 yards with enough energy to kill PD's at 100 yards. It is pure havoc when it hits a pigeon. It joins my other three or four air guns as the King of the Hill.
Greg
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I inherited the Gamo NRA 1000 Special Edition with the NRA BSA scope on it from my father, so much fun I bought the shotgun one to make it a set.
the crows have a "no fly zone" at my house.
8)
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I've been toying with the idea of a "new" air rifle for a long time. I've worn out several old Sheridan's in my day but am liking the idea of a tank (PCP).
Has anyone ever tried to fill from a SCBA bottle?
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I've been toying with the idea of a "new" air rifle for a long time. I've worn out several old Sheridan's in my day but am liking the idea of a tank (PCP).
Has anyone ever tried to fill from a SCBA bottle?
Not yet. I ordered a new air PCP rifle and a SCUBA fill attachment with it. Unfortunately, I ebayed all 3 of my Scuba tanks so I have to watch the yard sales for one. 80 Cubic Feet of 3000 psi air is a lot of fills. If you get a SCUBA tank, make sure it has a current Hydro Test stamp, or you won't be able to get it filled....
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I ordered a bunch of different pellets from pyramid air, they all shoot a lot different.
At first though I'd shoot cheap stuff as your gun won't break in for a good long while. At 100 shots it was still very early into the break-in period.
This is a Benjamin .22 nitro piston gun.
Also run a rod down that barrel a lot, especially at first. I like to leave a slightly wet barrel, just barely and you can tell it shoots differently. Another trick to being more consistent is to let the gun "float" when you shoot it. We're all rifle guys but you can't shoot a pellet gun like a rifle, you need to let it jump consistently. I keep a very light grip on it. You can upgrade the trigger pretty cheaply too. http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2011/04/installing-the-gtx-trigger-in-the-benjamin-trail-np-all-weather.html (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2011/04/installing-the-gtx-trigger-in-the-benjamin-trail-np-all-weather.html)
The German pellets seem to be pretty high in consistency and overall performance.
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H&N FTT seem to be the one to beat, some pellets do shoot better but this is a good place to start. They make them in several calibers.
I got about 8 different brands of pellets and did a target test out to 30 yards to see what my gun liked the best. I don't remember the results but the H&N was right up near the top and that's pretty universal with everyone.
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We bought a Gamo Whisper .177 at 20 yards we are hitting silver dollar steel targets all day long. I want to swap out the original scope though.
I got the same one. Actually like the scope, for an air rifle scope. After re-mounting it, it is rock solid and has a good sight picture without a lot of distortion towards the edges. The thing is super-accurate, too. Haven't shot it past 25 yards yet, but at that distance it is pretty consistent 1/2" groups. Gotta work on the trigger, though. Nothing great about that...
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We bought a Gamo Whisper .177 at 20 yards we are hitting silver dollar steel targets all day long. I want to swap out the original scope though.
I got the same one. Actually like the scope, for an air rifle scope. After re-mounting it, it is rock solid and has a good sight picture without a lot of distortion towards the edges. The thing is super-accurate, too. Haven't shot it past 25 yards yet, but at that distance it is pretty consistent 1/2" groups. Gotta work on the trigger, though. Nothing great about that...
the trigger is kind of hanky that for sure but it is a shooter.
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My set up....
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That is a hot rod for sure. I think mine and Russ' model is pushing a .177 lead pellet at 1250 fps.
Is yours a .22?
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Hey Bone do you think that Gamo is worth the money?
What's your comparison between the 17 vs 22?
With 22 ammo being very scarce these days, I've been thinking very seriously about the air rifles.
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I got some of these really heavy pellets, they smack hard.
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With 22 ammo being very scarce these days, I've been thinking very seriously about the air rifles.
I know a bunch of target shooters have gone that way. They can't get 22 ammo for their indoor shooting, so they are going to pellet guns. Plenty of pellets available.
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I got some of these really heavy pellets, they smack hard.
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Never used the Eunjins, but I use a lot of the Kodiaks. They do a job on Starlings and Eurasian Doves. :tup:
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view yellowforum.com for more airgun knowledge than your brain has room for.
I have a Walther LGR and its incredibly accurate
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Any PCP users here?
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Any PCP users here?
My 3 airguns are PCP....
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Any PCP users here?
My 3 airguns are PCP....
Please share your knowledge and experience with those PCP.
Pics, pics, and pics please.
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:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
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My first 2 PCP airguns are a single-shot Benjamin Marauder .177 rifle with an unshrouded barrel, and it is loud! when I got it, I also got the big heavy-duty tire pump to fill the air tank, and the small reservoirs on the older guns only took 60 to 80 pumps to fill to almost 3,000 psi. I'd get about 30 shots before it got down to 1,000 psi, and needed refilling. My second PCP gun is a .22 cal. Benjamin Marauder air pistol with shoulder stock, and a shrouded barrel, and is quiet! I love it. I can fill the reservoir with the same number of pumps, and get about the same number of shots per fill. It also has an 8-round magazine, which is really nice, especially with an extra magazine, which I have. The 177 rifle has a Center Point scope on it that is good, but the windage and elevation knobs must be loosened with an allen wrench to change the settings, and I don't like that. The 22 pistol has a Barska air rifle scope on it, a 3 to 12 power, and I really like it. So much so, that I ordered a 3 to 12x Barska scope for my newest airgun, a Benjamin Marauder .177 rifle that I haven't shot yet. The new gun has a bigger air reservoir, and my pump doesn't even get it up to 2,500 psi after 7 or 8 sessions of 60 t0 80 pumps, which at my age is all I can muster. :chuckle: Good thing when I ordered the gun, I also ordered a SCUBA tank adapter for fills. An 80 cubic foot Aluminum 80 tank should give me a lot of fills, once I find one at a yard sale. Pyramid Air has them for $199.00 but that's too much to pay, considering I could get a new Aluminum 80 for $100.00 in Florida back when I was diving. And a buddy I was diving with got 2 tanks at a yard sale for $40 each. Sorry, never took any pics--too busy shooting Starlings and Eurasian Doves. Go to the Pyramid Air and Airguns of Arizona sites. Good info there......
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It seems like the single cocking rifles can get up to 1000fps, just the same as the entry level PCP rifles. What makes the PCP rifles worth 3 times as much?
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My old single cock Gamo shows 1200 fps with the Gold Raptor pellets and 1000 fps with lead but it is .177. The Raptor pellets puts dents in the steel target back stop I have while the lead does no damage. It is a lot of fun to shoot and deadly on rats!
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It seems like the single cocking rifles can get up to 1000fps, just the same as the entry level PCP rifles. What makes the PCP rifles worth 3 times as much?
The single cocking rifles--not counting break-barrels are good, and extremely accurate, but the popular one with the target shooters takes about 35 pounds of force to pump. One of the older guys had to see if he could cock the gun before he ordered one. (he could). what I like about the PCP guns is that you can fill them from a SCUBA tank with no effort required. Plus the PCP guns have to have a metering device built in to them so the pressure in firing is consistent, so that makes them more costly. My newest PCP gun has a feature that allows the user to tune the gun for accuracy as low as 1,000 psi. The reservoir on the gun is fillable to 3,000 psi but it comes from the factory tuned for best accuracy at 2,500 psi. My guns are billed as "dual fuel" capable--Compressed air or CO2- (with a CO2 adapter to fill it). Hope this answers your questions. Feel free to ask more--I'll provide the answers if I can, or refer you to another site if I cant! :chuckle:
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Just to clarify things, the reason I don't like the break barrel guns is their inherent design for the barrel to "sag" with age, making accuracy changing constantly. also, you will find that the velocity claims for them is with ALUMINUM pellets. much lower for lead pellets. :twocents: I've never chronographed the two. My info is what I've read only. :dunno:
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
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This is what I intend to convert my 2400kt into :tup: The last one is really tricked out, these guns are highly modable tons of custom parts available.
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
Everyone I know, including me, bought their airguns from Pyramid Air. Ordered from their online site.
The main thing to look for on a used SCUBA tank is the Hydro Date. Most new tanks come with the first Hydro Date stamped in, after the name of the manufacturer, Luxfer, for instance, then at the end of 5 years, it must be recertified by an approved Hydro Test person, usually at a SCUBA shop, and a new Hydro Date stamped into the top of the tank. If it is past the Hydro date stamped on the tank, you can't get it filled. Best to Google Hydro Date Stamp, an the picture and explanation will show you what to look for. Yesterday I bought an Aluminum 90 tank from the local SCUBA shop with a 1-13 rehydro date stamped on it and filled, for my PCP guns. I also got the fill attachment to go on the K-valve of the SCUBA tank from Pyramid Air. My guns use a Quick-disconnect Scuba type attachment on them.
If you want your guns to be quiet, make sure they have a shrouded barrel or some kind of suppressor on them, or they will make as much noise as a 22 rimfire.
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What reasonably priced air rifle would be good enough to dispatch trapped animals like bobcat and beaver?
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Smossy years ago I used to dispatch coyotes that were in my traps with a Benjamin PUMP .22 pellet rifle. No issues what so ever. Always a head shot from close range so no I was not hunting with the pellet rifle. Others may have had different results.
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
Everyone I know, including me, bought their airguns from Pyramid Air. Ordered from their online site.
The main thing to look for on a used SCUBA tank is the Hydro Date. Most new tanks come with the first Hydro Date stamped in, after the name of the manufacturer, Luxfer, for instance, then at the end of 5 years, it must be recertified by an approved Hydro Test person, usually at a SCUBA shop, and a new Hydro Date stamped into the top of the tank. If it is past the Hydro date stamped on the tank, you can't get it filled. Best to Google Hydro Date Stamp, an the picture and explanation will show you what to look for. Yesterday I bought an Aluminum 90 tank from the local SCUBA shop with a 1-13 rehydro date stamped on it and filled, for my PCP guns. I also got the fill attachment to go on the K-valve of the SCUBA tank from Pyramid Air. My guns use a Quick-disconnect Scuba type attachment on them.
If you want your guns to be quiet, make sure they have a shrouded barrel or some kind of suppressor on them, or they will make as much noise as a 22 rimfire.
The Benjamin Marauder seems like a great riffle. What's your personal opinion of this rifle?
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
Everyone I know, including me, bought their airguns from Pyramid Air. Ordered from their online site.
The main thing to look for on a used SCUBA tank is the Hydro Date. Most new tanks come with the first Hydro Date stamped in, after the name of the manufacturer, Luxfer, for instance, then at the end of 5 years, it must be recertified by an approved Hydro Test person, usually at a SCUBA shop, and a new Hydro Date stamped into the top of the tank. If it is past the Hydro date stamped on the tank, you can't get it filled. Best to Google Hydro Date Stamp, an the picture and explanation will show you what to look for. Yesterday I bought an Aluminum 90 tank from the local SCUBA shop with a 1-13 rehydro date stamped on it and filled, for my PCP guns. I also got the fill attachment to go on the K-valve of the SCUBA tank from Pyramid Air. My guns use a Quick-disconnect Scuba type attachment on them.
If you want your guns to be quiet, make sure they have a shrouded barrel or some kind of suppressor on them, or they will make as much noise as a 22 rimfire.
The Benjamin Marauder seems like a great riffle. What's your personal opinion of this rifle?
I think for the money, they are great. My rifles seemed kind of big and clunky when I got them, but then I saw some more expensive and sophisticated air rifles that were just as big and clunky. Just something to get used to. I thought my old .177 Benjamin Marauder was big, but compared to my new .177 Benjamin Marauder, it's tiny... :chuckle: They are amazingly accurate, though. The scope still hasn't come for my new one yet, so I can't report on it, other than the air reservoir is a lot bigger than the one on my old one! Was looking at the Pyramid Air catalog today. Some of those airguns are 1 to $2,000.00! :yike:
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Here is a pic of my new 2400KT from the Crosman Custom Shop. I ordered it in .22 cal. with the steel breech and 24" barrel with a silver muzzle brake and trigger shoe along with the custom camo stock. All I have to do now is mount my optics, Bi-pod and convert via adapter to bulk Co2, a 12 to 20oz paint ball cylinder. I may also install a power adjuster. Will see how the vermin handle it lol :bfg: One problem, I no vermin around my house.
What are the specs of this rifle? She looks very light and elegant. :tup:
What is the stock price if you don't mind telling.
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Smossy years ago I used to dispatch coyotes that were in my traps with a Benjamin PUMP .22 pellet rifle. No issues what so ever. Always a head shot from close range so no I was not hunting with the pellet rifle. Others may have had different results.
Any idea what model the rifle was?
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Sorry no that was back in the 1950 era!
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I don't think Benjamin used to make many different models. We always just called them "Benjamins" they were pretty bad*** back in the day.
Only ones I remember- this was more like 70s- looked just like these http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/pump/392 (http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/pump/392)
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
Riverside archery has a couple of the AIR FORCE PCP sweet guns at reasonable price
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I am seriously thinking of getting a 22 for farm pests control and getting the kids into target shooting.
Any dealers of PCP in Western WA? I need to pick up a few in my hands.
I also see a lot of used scuba tanks on CL and need to know all the associate hardware for the PCP setup.
Riverside archery has a couple of the AIR FORCE PCP sweet guns at reasonable price
Airforce also makes a lot of different models, from very expensive to very reasonable. I would advise anyone interested in getting one to go on the Pyramid Air or Airguns of Arizona websites. Whatever you decide on, make sure you have the right hookup to fill them. The main reason I stuck to the Benjamin PCP guns is that they use a SCUBA-type quick disconnect fitting on their guns, which I already had. I understand there are 2 different types of fill attachments on the various manufacturers guns, and I emailed Pyramid Air complaining that the guns listed in their website didn't specify which system each gun used. They emailed back saying tat there was a drop-down menu at the bottom of each gun page that listed more specs on the gun. They admitted that it was easy to miss, and they might change the feature in the future. (That would be good for non-tech dummies like me!) :chuckle:
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Update: The mailman was early and brought my scope for the new PCP rifle. Got it mounted, and set up a bench and target in the back yard. The bad news is that it started raining just as I started shooting, and I quit before the barrel got broken in. I will say this; The SCUBA tank is the only way to go to fill these puppies. Also, got to looking at my first airgun, and it's a Discovery, not a Marauder. The new gun with the shrouded barrel is really QUIET! The 10 round magazine is nice, too. :tup:
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Got my first Starling with the new Benjamin Marauder PCP gun this morning! :whoo:
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Got my first Starling with the new Benjamin Marauder PCP gun this morning! :whoo:
Pics please. :yeah:
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Got my first Starling with the new Benjamin Marauder PCP gun this morning! :whoo:
Pics please. :yeah:
:sry: Used to be easy to post pictures on this site. Now it's "click on this, and click on that"... too much for an old guy like me to figure out. No pictures of the dead Starling anyway! :tup:
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Here is a pic of my new 2400KT from the Crosman Custom Shop. I ordered it in .22 cal. with the steel breech and 24" barrel with a silver muzzle brake and trigger shoe along with the custom camo stock. All I have to do now is mount my optics, Bi-pod and convert via adapter to bulk Co2, a 12 to 20oz paint ball cylinder. I may also install a power adjuster. Will see how the vermin handle it lol :bfg: One problem, I no vermin around my house.
What are the specs of this rifle? She looks very light and elegant. :tup:
What is the stock price if you don't mind telling.
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It's .22 cal. I order the 24" barrel with 10 lands and grooves (1 in 16 twist) it's Co2 powered and shoots between 630-725 fps depending on ammo and can be higher with further customization. There is a plethora of custom parts avail for this line of rifles/pistols and they are reasonably priced. For what I have in the pic it ran me $175.00 to the door, custom build/parts from base model 2400kt, life time warranty, shipping ect. I love it....rodents/vermin hate it :chuckle: the .22 cal packs some punch and its sniper rifle accurate with the long barrel. Check out the site and also google custom parts.
www.crosman.com/custom-shop (http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop)
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Here is a pic of my new 2400KT from the Crosman Custom Shop. I ordered it in .22 cal. with the steel breech and 24" barrel with a silver muzzle brake and trigger shoe along with the custom camo stock. All I have to do now is mount my optics, Bi-pod and convert via adapter to bulk Co2, a 12 to 20oz paint ball cylinder. I may also install a power adjuster. Will see how the vermin handle it lol :bfg: One problem, I no vermin around my house.
What are the specs of this rifle? She looks very light and elegant. :tup:
What is the stock price if you don't mind telling.
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It's .22 cal. I order the 24" barrel with 10 lands and grooves (1 in 16 twist) it's Co2 powered and shoots between 630-725 fps depending on ammo and can be higher with further customization. There is a plethora of custom parts avail for this line of rifles/pistols and they are reasonably priced. For what I have in the pic it ran me $175.00 to the door, custom build/parts from base model 2400kt, life time warranty, shipping ect. I love it....rodents/vermin hate it :chuckle: the .22 cal packs some punch and its sniper rifle accurate with the long barrel. Check out the site and also google custom parts.
www.crosman.com/custom-shop (http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop)
That looks very similar to my Benjamin Marauder .22 cal. air pistol. Same shoulder stock, but shorter shrouded barrel and PCP. Mine has an 8 round magazine, and is really quiet. I put a Barska 3 to 12 Airgun scope on it, and it's deadly. Benjamin is owned by Crosman now, so the guns are similar. I see now that the gun is available in black or camo, (a $10 option.) At the time I got mine, it was only available in black, so I wrapped it in camo tape. I ordered it with an extra magazine, which is really handy, and I get about 30 shots before it gets down near the 1,000 psi mark, and needs refilling.
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Where is the Benjamin Marauder made?
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I was thinking about getting one of the receiver upgrades that they offer for my 2400kt that will allow me to use a 10 round mag. I think Discovery is the brand. The muzzle break on mine actually make a big diff in the loudness, I took it off and it was a pretty loud pop!!! I went with the long barrel thinking great accuracy and it is really a tight shooter at 25-30 yrds. They have 10-18-24" options in Crosman or a 10-18" Lothar-Walther barrel. I have put a Leupold VX-R 4x12 on it for now :chuckle:.....a little over kill but that's what I had lay'n around :bfg:
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I was thinking about getting one of the receiver upgrades that they offer for my 2400kt that will allow me to use a 10 round mag. I think Discovery is the brand. The muzzle break on mine actually make a big diff in the loudness, I took it off and it was a pretty loud pop!!! I went with the long barrel thinking great accuracy and it is really a tight shooter at 25-30 yrds. They have 10-18-24" options in Crosman or a 10-18" Lothar-Walther barrel. I have put a Leupold VX-R 4x12 on it for now :chuckle:.....a little over kill but that's what I had lay'n around :bfg:
Yes, I noticed in the catalog listing for my new Marauder air rifle, it says the .177 and .22 magazines are 10 round, and the .25 magazine is 8 rounds, I got an extra 10 round magazine for my rifle, and it looks just like the magazine for my .22 pistol. (except for the caliber difference, of course.) :tup: I was amazed at how accurate these pellet guns are, as I never had one until a few years ago. When I was a kid, I went from a BB gun to a 22 Rimfire, and skipped the pellet step entirely. In every issue of Predator Xtreme magazine there is a chapter written by a guy that tests the latest airguns and hunts with them. (Coyotes, especially.) Quite interesting. I don't think it's really necessary to have an airgun scope on a PCP gun, but I don't think it hurts. Besides, airgun scopes focus down to shorter distances than their high-power cousins.
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Where is the Benjamin Marauder made?
Yesterday I shipped my Benjamin Marauder back to the maker, Crosman, in New York State because the air reservoir would leak down 2000 psi overnight. Probably just a bad O-ring, but being a brand new gun, I figured they would check it out. The representative who replied to my email sent me a UPS shipping ticket to send it back with a note about the problem. So, even though I already got a Starling with it, the gun is on its way back for repair. I call this good service and am very happy with them. Fortunately, I still have my other 2 Benjamin PCP guns to fall back on. :tup:
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I'm told the Marauder burns a lot more air then the Talon. Any truth to this? Shots per fill on a pcp tank?
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I'm told the Marauder burns a lot more air then the Talon. Any truth to this? Shots per fill on a pcp tank?
The one thing I don't like about the Talon, is that it's a single-shot gun. I don't know about the Marauder rifle, but I get about 30 shots out of my .22 cal. Marauder pistol, and it has a much smaller air tank than the rifle I just shipped back. (177 cal.) I just read on the reviews of the Benjamin Marauder Composite-stocked rifle, and one guy says he gets 40 shots out of his .177 cal. gun, and the guy with the 25 cal. gun gets 5 shots. Evidently, leaks in the tank are a common problem with this new series of gun, as a couple of guys said they returned their gun to Pyramyd Air, and got a new one. I emailed Crosman, the manufacturer directly, and got a prepaid UPS label to send it in. The thing I like about the Marauder is it has a 10 round magazine, and I got an extra one to swap out once the first one was empty. The .177 & .22 Mags are 10 round, and the .25 mags are 8 round. One thing I found out after filling my guns with the "Tire Pump" type filler is that the SCUBA tank method is the only way to go, especially with the bigger capacity of the new Marauders.
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Anyone have. Qb78?
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Anyone have. Qb78?
Might help to know what it is! :dunno: I'm fairly new to pellet gunning. I like them, but Starlings and Eurasian Doves don't! :chuckle:
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http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/qb78-copy-of-crosman-160167.html (http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/qb78-copy-of-crosman-160167.html)
That's my guess.
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http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/qb78-copy-of-crosman-160167.html (http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/11/qb78-copy-of-crosman-160167.html)
That's my guess.
Ah--another Chinese copy. Where do you send it if something goes bad? China? You think something is made in the USA? Try to find it! A food store that operated here for years closed and moved out. Hobby Lobby remodeled the building and opened a store there. I went into the new store mainly to see how they managed to fill a huge building with goods, and with the help of China, they did! A while back I went into Office Depot to get something, and had some time to kill, so I toured the store to look at where the merchandise was made. If they took out all the items that were made in China, there would be nothing on the shelves! Wake up, people--We have sent all our jobs to China because that's the only way a company can stay in business!
This is not aimed at you, flound3rz--you were just trying to help, and got caught up in my rant! :sry:
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No worries. I was not advocating for that particular model, and I generally agree, in any event.
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Wake up, people--We have sent all our jobs to China because that's the only way a company can stay in business!
We've sent all our jobs to China because that's the only way to maintain profit margins that won't get board members replaced. But that's a conversation for another thread.
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Wake up, people--We have sent all our jobs to China because that's the only way a company can stay in business!
We've sent all our jobs to China because that's the only way to maintain profit margins that won't get board members replaced. But that's a conversation for another thread.
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Anyone have. Qb78?
Might help to know what it is! :dunno: I'm fairly new to pellet gunning. I like them, but Starlings and Eurasian Doves don't! :chuckle:
Anyone ever eaten one of those Eurasian Doves???? I figure they might be tasty just kinda like a jumbo size dove....might take a couple more strips of bacon to wrap the breast :dunno: :chuckle: I think I might try grubbing on one the next time I come across them while over east :EAT: the farmer that owns the Cabin on the river at the Timm Ranch told us to kill all of them we want he said he has the clearance from the game dept and the tribe to do so on the ranch.
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Anyone have. Qb78?
Might help to know what it is! :dunno: I'm fairly new to pellet gunning. I like them, but Starlings and Eurasian Doves don't! :chuckle:
Anyone ever eaten one of those Eurasian Doves???? I figure they might be tasty just kinda like a jumbo size dove....might take a couple more strips of bacon to wrap the breast :dunno: :chuckle: I think I might try grubbing on one the next time I come across them while over east :EAT: the farmer that owns the Cabin on the river at the Timm Ranch told us to kill all of them we want he said he has the clearance from the game dept and the tribe to do so on the ranch.
They are nearly as big as a Park Pigeon, and I see no reason why they wouldn't be good eating. One that I shot landed in my neighbor's back yard and the neighbor picked it up, felt the breast, an said: "Ooo...I'll eat him!" :chuckle:
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Cant wait until I get a chance to dust one.....I'm gonna eat it :chuckle: those things are an invasive species aren't they? I think i'll give wdfw a call and get the legality's on the matter of these Eurasian Doves. Do you see a lot of them around your place (wenatchee) I have only seen them in the okanogan/colville area for the most part tons of them.
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They are listed in the Game Regs as "Invasive Species", along with Starlings, House Sparrows and Park Pigeons. No closed season, and no limit. Shot one out of the neighbor's tree this morning. They are reportedly to be worldwide now. Lots of them in the Wenatchee area, but for some reason, they don't come around my house very often. :dunno: :chuckle:
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That's it I'm going on a eurasian dove slay'n mission with 2400kt then having a dinner party. I think this could be a great new pastime during the slow months also nice and cheap with the pellet rifle. Would you possibly be down to meet and go hunt them suckers down around your area?
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They seem to prefer residential areas around here. Haven't seen any out in the wilds. shot at a few while I was shooting Starlings last year over in my neighbor's garden. If you know of an agricultural area that attracts them, that would be your best bet! Most of the ones I see around here are out of pellet gun range. They seem to be pretty territorial during nesting season. I think the one I popped yesterday was looking to establish a new territory. Last year I saw one chasing a Stellar Jay out of its area, and it takes a lot to intimidate a Jay! :chuckle: Sometime at the end of March, a buddy and his 10 year old son and I are going to Oregon on a Ground Squirrel Shoot, and I think I'm going to take my pellet guns this trip.
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Anyone in the know want to verify a picture of a Eurasian Dove?
Is this the bird we are talking about, and is that how they appear up in WA?
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Yep--that's him! The full name is Eurasian Collared Dove, referring to that black band behind their neck. :tup:
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So the way you guys are talking,I wasted money on the Gamo at Wally world. I am not over impressed with its accuracy.What is a good price range for a good one?Be gentle.
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I'm not a big fan of break-barrels, but Gamo makes the most popular ones. My first pellet gun was a Benjamin Discovery PCP gun. It's a single-shot .177 pellet gun with an unshrouded barrel, and Pyramyd Air has them listed in their catalog for $400.00 for a .177 or .22 cal. + pump To fill the air reservoir. My next pellet gun was the Benjamin Marauder air pistol in black, and .22 cal. (comes with a shoulder stock and shrouded barrel which makes it very quiet). It's a PCP gun, and I already had the pump, so I just got the gun. It's listed now in the Pyramid Air Catalog for $390.00. (It's my favorite gun, and is topped with a 3 to 12 Barska scope, and is deadly accurate. I recently got a Benjamin Marauder .177 air rifle, put a Barska 3 to 12 scope on it, and killed a Starling with it, before I sent it back to the manufacturer because the air tank was leaking down. (Probably just a bad O-ring, but it is under warranty, so what the heck.) It also has a shrouded barrel, and is even quieter than my air pistol. Because the air tank on the new gun is bigger, I got a SCUBA tank and fill attachment, and I highly recommend one! The target shooters that I know have gone to the Single-pump German made airguns, but I think they are a lot more expensive. Go to the Pyramyd Air website and see their numerous offerings.
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So the way you guys are talking,I wasted money on the Gamo at Wally world. I am not over impressed with its accuracy.What is a good price range for a good one?Be gentle.
Don't be too quick to throw away the Gamo. Airgun barrels take a lot of shots to "Break in" the barrel-Sometimes as many as 200 shots before they settle in and shoot accurately. Also, when you shoulder an air rifle, you have to hold it lightly, not rigidly like you hold a regular rifle. Try different pellets, too--they do make a big difference. I like the H&N pellets, but there are a lot of good ones. :twocents:
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Anyone in the know want to verify a picture of a Eurasian Dove?
Is this the bird we are talking about, and is that how they appear up in WA?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.nationalgeographic.com%2Fwpf%2Fmedia-live%2Fphotos%2F000%2F172%2Fcache%2Feurasian-collared-dove-illustration_17203_600x450.jpg&hash=71374a746bbcba2e5c8f70fd4e985cd663c9bac7)
SHOOT!!! SHOOT!!! SHOOT!!! :mgun: Just found them bugger's at my brothers farm here in north snohomish county, first time I have seen or heard of them on the wetside. I'm going to do some harvesting soon I'll keep ya'll posted from field to table :chuckle:
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They are a lot bigger than Mourning Doves, and to my eyes, they look more pinkish than gray... :tup:
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:yeah: And they sound like a mourning dove with a speech impediment from what I've noticed :chuckle:
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I have tried different ammo,not a lot,but some.I found that the plain ole" Crosman hollow points worked the best for accuracy in mine.I tried the Gamo red fire they,in my opinion were a joke.Horrible accuracy,didn't help when the tips come out of them I'm sure.It just seems like this gun is only good for about 30 yds.,give or take.It is still hell on the sage rats though.Cheaper than the HMR!
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All birds taste great; its a matter of how much effort you like to put into.
I had roasted houses sparrows and the are the bomb!
I might get the RWS Diana 350Mag 22 cal springer to start out.
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:yeah: And they sound like a mourning dove with a speech impediment from what I've noticed :chuckle:
:yeah: Their call is more like a raspy hoot, and sometyimes while they are flying they let out a short hoot! once you hear it, you know what it is! :chuckle:
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I have tried different ammo,not a lot,but some.I found that the plain ole" Crosman hollow points worked the best for accuracy in mine.I tried the Gamo red fire they,in my opinion were a joke.Horrible accuracy,didn't help when the tips come out of them I'm sure.It just seems like this gun is only good for about 30 yds.,give or take.It is still hell on the sage rats though.Cheaper than the HMR!
I found that the most accurate pellets were the flat-nosed target pellets, also called "wad cutters". Plenty good for Sage Rats!
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does anybody have a Remington vantage 1200? I am borrowing my neighbors to stock the freezer with those Eurasians and man does it seem powerful. I have killed 5 today.
I don't have $300 to spend on a more powerful one, but looked at amazon and they are $150 on there.
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Seem's like a few people are getting on the Eurasian Dove bandwagon since I asked the question "who has eaten one" :chuckle: Maybe we should keep it low key.....WDFW mite see us having too much fun and getting a decent morsel at no expense, and change their mind and throw a season/limit and license requirement on our fun :yike: :chuckle:
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does anybody have a Remington vantage 1200? I am borrowing my neighbors to stock the freezer with those Eurasians and man does it seem powerful. I have killed 5 today.
I don't have $300 to spend on a more powerful one, but looked at amazon and they are $150 on there.
Pyramyd Air doesn't have anything listed for Remington, but the closest they have is a Winchester 1250 spring-piston breakbarrel .177 cal=1250 fps synthetic or wood thumbhole stock, WITH a 3-9x42 scope for $149.95 . :dunno:
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Seem's like a few people are getting on the Eurasian Dove bandwagon since I asked the question "who has eaten one" :chuckle: Maybe we should keep it low key.....WDFW mite see us having too much fun and getting a decent morsel at no expense, and change their mind and throw a season/limit and license requirement on our fun :yike: :chuckle:
As long as they are on the Invasive Species list, there is no season or limit, but I think it's still necessary to have a hunting license if you are off your own property. And the way our Governor and the rest of the liberals are looking for money to squander, it may be wise to keep it low-key. :chuckle:
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Can you explain how the Benjamin Marauder can use PCP or CO2?
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Can you explain how the Benjamin Marauder can use PCP or CO2?
Yes, To use CO2, you must get an adapter that hooks the CO2 tank to the quick disconnect fitting on the gun. They say you get more shots from a CO2 fill, but it operates at a lower pressure. I don't know as I have never used CO2.
To fill with air, you need either the big tire pump, or an adapter to hook to the K-valve on a SCUBA tank. I have both, and since I got the SCUBA tank and adapter, I think that I will use that exclusively. That tire pump wears me out! :chuckle:
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Can you explain how the Benjamin Marauder can use PCP or CO2?
Yes, To use CO2, you must get an adapter that hooks the CO2 tank to the quick disconnect fitting on the gun. They say you get more shots from a CO2 fill, but it operates at a lower pressure. I don't know as I have never used CO2.
To fill with air, you need either the big tire pump, or an adapter to hook to the K-valve on a SCUBA tank. I have both, and since I got the SCUBA tank and adapter, I think that I will use that exclusively. That tire pump wears me out! :chuckle:
I already have a standard size CO2 tank like the one they use for cold beverages. I used it for my aquarium plants a few years ago and get refills from Air Gas. Would that work?
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http://tedsholdover.com/2014/02/26/winter-pigeon-hunting/ (http://tedsholdover.com/2014/02/26/winter-pigeon-hunting/)
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Can you explain how the Benjamin Marauder can use PCP or CO2?
Yes, To use CO2, you must get an adapter that hooks the CO2 tank to the quick disconnect fitting on the gun. They say you get more shots from a CO2 fill, but it operates at a lower pressure. I don't know as I have never used CO2.
To fill with air, you need either the big tire pump, or an adapter to hook to the K-valve on a SCUBA tank. I have both, and since I got the SCUBA tank and adapter, I think that I will use that exclusively. That tire pump wears me out! :chuckle:
I already have a standard size CO2 tank like the one they use for cold beverages. I used it for my aquarium plants a few years ago and get refills from Air Gas. Would that work?
Probably, as long as you can control the amount of CO2 you put in the gun. The gun's gage has a dual-fill maximum/minimum range for air or CO2, and it looks like the CO2 fill pressure is a lot lower than the air fill pressure. The Pyramid Air website has a pop-up provision that you can ask a question of the people there that know exactly what you would need. I use air, and get refills at the SCUBA shop, and use the K-valve on the tank to regulate the amount of air I put in the gun. The fill adapter has a pressure release screw on it so I can unplug the hose once the gun is filled.
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:whoo: Got my .22 cal. Benjamin Marauder air rifle yesterday, and got the scope mounted. Wind was blowing too hard to sight it in yesterday, but I filled the tank, ran a cleaning patch down the bore, and this morning it still held air! :whoo: Later that afternoon, UPS tried to deliver the .177 rifle I sent back to Crosman because the air tank was leaking down. They needed a signature to leave it, and I wasn't home at the time. I didn't know it was coming, or I would have stayed home. Anyway, by this afternoon I'll have both of my pellet guns here to kill Starlings and Eurasian Doves with! :whoo: :tup:
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Clear something up for me. If you can use a hand tire pump to fill the gun why not a compressor with a line regulator? I understand wanting a refill in the field with a tank. Thanks Mike
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Clear something up for me. If you can use a hand tire pump to fill the gun why not a compressor with a line regulator? I understand wanting a refill in the field with a tank. Thanks Mike
It is not a regular tire pump; it only looks like one from the outside.
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Clear something up for me. If you can use a hand tire pump to fill the gun why not a compressor with a line regulator? I understand wanting a refill in the field with a tank. Thanks Mike
I get asked this all the time. I have an air compressor, but it only goes to 110 psi. That's not enough to even move the gage on the gun. The gun operates at 1,000 to 2500 psi. It takes a big expensive air compressor to fill a SCUBA tank, and I can get a lot of air fills at the SCUBA shop for a lot less than a compressor would cost. The tire-type pump is a lot bigger than a standard tire pump, but even then, it's hard work to fill a gun to 3,000 psi. I've found that the SCUBA tank is the only way to go to fill the gun. And you can get a lot of gun fills out of an 80 or 90 cubic foot air tank.... :tup:
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Clear something up for me. If you can use a hand tire pump to fill the gun why not a compressor with a line regulator? I understand wanting a refill in the field with a tank. Thanks Mike
I get asked this all the time. I have an air compressor, but it only goes to 110 psi. That's not enough to even move the gage on the gun. The gun operates at 1,000 to 2500 psi. It takes a big expensive air compressor to fill a SCUBA tank, and I can get a lot of air fills at the SCUBA shop for a lot less than a compressor would cost. The tire-type pump is a lot bigger than a standard tire pump, but even then, it's hard work to fill a gun to 3,000 psi. I've found that the SCUBA tank is the only way to go to fill the gun. And you can get a lot of gun fills out of an 80 or 90 cubic foot air tank.... :tup:
Thant makes more sense thanks.
Mike
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Just got done dialing in the scopes on my airguns. I had the scope mounted on my new .22 cal. Benjamin Marauder, and last night I mounted the scope on my .177 Marauder that I got back from Crosman. While I had the bench and targets up, I checked the zero on my other 2 airguns. The accuracy of these guns is incredible. If you are worried about airguns not being accurate, rest assured that they are, within their capabilities of course. They are by no means as powerful or long-ranging as a centerfire rifle, or even a rimfire rifle, but with a shrouded barrel, they are perfect for pest control in urban areas. I dusted a Eurasian Dove this morning with my .177 Benjamin Discovery. That unshrouded barrel is loud, but it was all that was handy at the time. He flew off in a cloud of feathers, but he probably won't be back! :tup:
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I have a german Weihrauch HW35, It can lob a .177 pellet at 1100 fps and came with a proper air gun scope and peep sights. The thing is as accurate as you could want, but I am still trying to find its favorite ammo.
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I have a german Weihrauch HW35, It can lob a .177 pellet at 1100 fps and came with a proper air gun scope and peep sights. The thing is as accurate as you could want, but I am still trying to find its favorite ammo.
Last Saturday I was talking to a benchrest target shooter who is using his pellet gun for target shooting, and he told me that he bought a tin of those Crosman pellets, and they are crap! He and the rest of the target pellet gun shooters use the H & N and JSB pellets, and have ordered some pellets with varying head sizes to try. I have found that the flat-nosed "wadcutter" target pellets give the best accuracy, but I just go for "minute of Starling" accuracy. :chuckle:
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I have a german Weihrauch HW35, It can lob a .177 pellet at 1100 fps and came with a proper air gun scope and peep sights. The thing is as accurate as you could want, but I am still trying to find its favorite ammo.
Last Saturday I was talking to a benchrest target shooter who is using his pellet gun for target shooting, and he told me that he bought a tin of those Crosman pellets, and they are crap! He and the rest of the target pellet gun shooters use the H & N and JSB pellets, and have ordered some pellets with varying head sizes to try. I have found that the flat-nosed "wadcutter" target pellets give the best accuracy, but I just go for "minute of Starling" accuracy. :chuckle:
I have been meaning to order one of these
http://www.straightshooters.com/straight-shooters-full-pellet-sampler-.177.html (http://www.straightshooters.com/straight-shooters-full-pellet-sampler-.177.html)
They have a ton of different pellets from various manufacturers so you can narrow in on the best pellet for you gun.
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I have a german Weihrauch HW35, It can lob a .177 pellet at 1100 fps and came with a proper air gun scope and peep sights. The thing is as accurate as you could want, but I am still trying to find its favorite ammo.
Last Saturday I was talking to a benchrest target shooter who is using his pellet gun for target shooting, and he told me that he bought a tin of those Crosman pellets, and they are crap! He and the rest of the target pellet gun shooters use the H & N and JSB pellets, and have ordered some pellets with varying head sizes to try. I have found that the flat-nosed "wadcutter" target pellets give the best accuracy, but I just go for "minute of Starling" accuracy. :chuckle:
Can you provide more details about your new scope and the pellets?
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I have a german Weihrauch HW35, It can lob a .177 pellet at 1100 fps and came with a proper air gun scope and peep sights. The thing is as accurate as you could want, but I am still trying to find its favorite ammo.
Last Saturday I was talking to a benchrest target shooter who is using his pellet gun for target shooting, and he told me that he bought a tin of those Crosman pellets, and they are crap! He and the rest of the target pellet gun shooters use the H & N and JSB pellets, and have ordered some pellets with varying head sizes to try. I have found that the flat-nosed "wadcutter" target pellets give the best accuracy, but I just go for "minute of Starling" accuracy. :chuckle:
Can you provide more details about your new scope and the pellets?
My scopes are Barska 3-12x40mm Airgun scopes. They are very inexpensive, and seem to be very good for the money. They are parallax adjustable down to less than 10 yards. Ideal for an air rifle or even my .22 cal. Benjamin Marauder air pistol. I use H&N pellets, usually the Domed Kodiak Beeman pellets in the .22s and the Baracuda Hunter Extreme and Field Target Trophy pellets in .177. The 9.57 grain Hunter Extreme and the Benjamin 10.5 grain hollow point pellets that I got with my Discovery PCP air rifle seem to give good accuracy. I'm still experimenting with the pellets to see what gives the best accuracy, but I got a Eurasian Dove with a H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme pellet this morning, so I can verify their accuracy. It was an over 60 yard shot. :tup:
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Here is a pic of my new 2400KT from the Crosman Custom Shop. I ordered it in .22 cal. with the steel breech and 24" barrel with a silver muzzle brake and trigger shoe along with the custom camo stock. All I have to do now is mount my optics.
I finally got a chance to get serious about zeroing my neat little riffle. I have owned many standard model Crosman airguns as well as Daisy guns over the years. I must say that I got way more than I expected as far as performance in this Crosman Custom Shop 2400kt.
This little baby is a straight up sniper riffle :o It is also very good on gas, I get about 45 dead accurate shots at 40 yards and about 30 more dead on shots to 30+ yards from one single 9 gram Co2 cartridge.
Here are some pics. of my backyard fun all the little white squares are 1-1/2" x 1-1/2"
I zeroed 1" high at 20 yards holding the horizontal cross hair at the bottom of the paper.
This zero setting allows me to hold dead center at 40 yards and I'm very impressed with the accuracy at this distance and can't wait to see how much further I can push it tomorrow :chuckle:
Sorry the pics need to rotate 90 deg. to the right.
Pic. 1 is the gun prior to scope being mounted.
Pic. 2 is 20 yard zero holding at the bottom of the paper.
Pic. 3 and 4 are 40 yard zero holding dead on.
I know I can get these groups tighter, I was shooting from a standing rest position :bfg:
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Wow--I hate to admit this, but your offhand groups are better than my benchrest groups! Air rifle barrels take some "break in" shots, so it should get better as you shoot it more. Those pellets imbedded in the board look like the 22 pellets in my fence boards--after they blew through the target and a piece of 1/2" plywood! (at about 30 yards.) :chuckle:
Try a bunch of pellets to see what your gun likes. A target shooter friend told me that he and his buddies got some pellets that had bigger head diameters so they fit the bore tighter, and accuracy improved a lot. (it was already good!) I think he said they ordered the pellets from "Airgun Depot". Most pellets say they are 5.5mm in diameter. I have a tin of pellets that say they are 5.56mm but I haven't tried them yet. The Starlings and Eurasian Doves already hate my 5.5mm pellets! :chuckle:
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Thought I would bring this discussion back up!
I just ordered a Walther denominator 1250. Should be here next week.
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Picked one of these up late last year.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_2300S/928
They are pretty much as advertized and reviewed.
It makes for nice cheap (after the entry fee) and convenient practice in suburbia.