Post by: npaull on December 29, 2013, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 29, 2013, 05:01:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2013, 05:05:42 PM
Post by: REHJWA on December 29, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2013, 05:10:25 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 05:17:52 PM
screw in steps can't be unscrewed, chain around the hang on stand is grown into the tree.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
I know where some are that are grown into the tree, basically ruined a good tree worth several 1000 bf
screw in steps can't be unscrewed, chain around the hang on stand is grown into the tree.
I sure wouldn't try one of them :yike: sounds like a fall waiting to happen
Post by: Alan K on December 29, 2013, 05:21:49 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Don't know about that side, but on this side I would not leave them out. They are basically free game if you do.:yeah:
I usually pack my climber in and out every day. I have left my climber for a day or overnight on the East side only because where I hunt is so remote and a pain to get into that I do not have to worry about someone else packing it out. Here on the wetside, I wouldn't do it on a bet even if I know that it is in a really safe spot. Brush pickers can show up in the most God awful places and have a tendancy to take what they like.
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 29, 2013, 05:31:23 PM
Post by: Eli346 on December 29, 2013, 05:38:02 PM
Post by: Turner89 on December 29, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on December 29, 2013, 06:06:29 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 06:11:04 PM
I know where some are that are grown into the tree, basically ruined a good tree worth several 1000 bf
screw in steps can't be unscrewed, chain around the hang on stand is grown into the tree.
I sure wouldn't try one of them :yike: sounds like a fall waiting to happen
I don't get into tree stands that aren't mine.
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 06:14:39 PM
Why would someone ever use a tree stand that has been left up by someone? Talk about a loser.
Some of these stands I've seen haven't been used in years judging by old bait piles and branches/brush growing around the stand and such. You'd have to do some clearing to use it.
The stand is nothing more than litter at this point, legally and ethically. I got no issue leaving a stand out for a season but pack it up after the season is over if you're on public land :twocents:
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 29, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Post by: sagewalker on December 29, 2013, 06:16:27 PM
Post by: sebek556 on December 29, 2013, 06:19:02 PM
Why would someone ever use a tree stand that has been left up by someone? Talk about a loser.Happens a lot on the east side. Set up your stand along a hidden trail, a little fresh snow and boom some idiot cuts the tracks and makes themselves at home. Happens probably once a year at my dad's hunting camp. This year was a new one though, had a guy durning season hang a stand two trees over from my cousins stand. :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 06:26:44 PM
Ive put them out in August and take them down after October. Never had a problem but they're somewhat remote and chained up in the tree.
No problem with that, but when someone leaves a stand for years and the chain is sunk in the tree 3-4 inches and the steps grown around where half the step is buried in the tree, the tree is no longer marketable.
You've basically poached a tree.
Post by: washelkhunter on December 29, 2013, 06:32:17 PM
No problem with that, but when someone leaves a stand for years and the chain is sunk in the tree 3-4 inches and the steps grown around where half the step is buried in the tree, the tree is no longer marketable.
You've basically poached a tree.
I can tell you have deep feelings for the wood.
Post by: Turner89 on December 29, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
:chuckle:
No problem with that, but when someone leaves a stand for years and the chain is sunk in the tree 3-4 inches and the steps grown around where half the step is buried in the tree, the tree is no longer marketable.
You've basically poached a tree.
I can tell you have deep feelings for the wood.
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 29, 2013, 06:39:37 PM
I think it has more to do with being irresponsible and destructive. No different than leaving trash around.
No problem with that, but when someone leaves a stand for years and the chain is sunk in the tree 3-4 inches and the steps grown around where half the step is buried in the tree, the tree is no longer marketable.
You've basically poached a tree.
I can tell you have deep feelings for the wood.
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2013, 06:42:45 PM
Why would someone ever use a tree stand that has been left up by someone? Talk about a loser.Happens a lot on the east side. Set up your stand along a hidden trail, a little fresh snow and boom some idiot cuts the tracks and makes themselves at home. Happens probably once a year at my dad's hunting camp. This year was a new one though, had a guy durning season hang a stand two trees over from my cousins stand. :dunno:
I have a buddy who walked out his back door onto public property and ran into a stand. Went up it..... Sat 5 minutes.... Shot an absolute PIG of a Blacktail buck. Huge 5X5. Bigger than I've seen live. I guess that's one reason someone might..... :dunno:
I've never done it.
But if I did leave a stand on public property, I'm not sure I'd have the right to be offended if someone used it... being public property and all.
Post by: sebek556 on December 29, 2013, 06:50:40 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
The it's on public property thing holds no water with me. Falls into the same category as someone pulling the sd card to look at your trail cam photos, or sitting in you truck. If it's not yours and it's not garbage your picking up, leave it alone.
I sort of agree, but then again, if you leave it on public property and somebody uses it, I just don't think you have a right to complain. :dunno:
Damage or theft is a different matter....
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2013, 07:07:53 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
AMEN!!!!!!
Post by: PolarBear on December 29, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
Why would someone ever use a tree stand that has been left up by someone? Talk about a loser.:yeah:
Post by: bigtex on December 29, 2013, 07:11:54 PM
In terms of WDFW lands, all tree stands must be removed at the end of the hunting season.
There is no time limit on DNR lands.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2013, 07:13:44 PM
I know where some are that are grown into the tree, basically ruined a good tree worth several 1000 bf
screw in steps can't be unscrewed, chain around the hang on stand is grown into the tree.
I sure wouldn't try one of them :yike: sounds like a fall waiting to happen
I don't get into tree stands that aren't mine.
:P I didn't mean you did. I meant that as in "hopefully someone doesn't try one of them"
I wouldn't ever hunt in another person's treestand, reasons:
#1 It's not mine
#2 I don't trust outdoor hanging equipment that I haven't maintained
#3 I would be nervous it was somebody who was a lot meaner than I who put it there
#4 It's not mine
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2013, 07:15:15 PM
If it is federal land the tree stand would be considered "abandoned" after X amount of hours, the timeframe differs from agency to agency. It is a federal crime to abandoned property on federal lands.
In terms of WDFW lands, all tree stands must be removed at the end of the hunting season.
There is no time limit on DNR lands.
So someone who steals (picks up an abandoned trail camera) after X hours is not legally a thief? Interesting..
Post by: rasbo on December 29, 2013, 07:15:43 PM
Post by: bigtex on December 29, 2013, 07:18:26 PM
I put cams up and tree stands and have left them for months, and at times till next season..I always expect them to be stolen.If they are no sweat.If you leave things out in the public its gonna happen..I wouldnt take or use somebodys stand because I know its not mine.But today is a different time than before..It always makes me wonder when guys get upset about leaving things in the woods..
:yeah:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on December 29, 2013, 07:19:57 PM
As far as using someone elses stand if you saw it. Forget it its not yours..
Have you ever heard about the hunter that shot other hunters over a tree stand? it was in Wisconsin I think.. Crazy stuff
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2013, 07:22:52 PM
I put cams up and tree stands and have left them for months, and at times till next season..I always expect them to be stolen.If they are no sweat.If you leave things out in the public its gonna happen..I wouldnt take or use somebodys stand because I know its not mine.But today is a different time than before..It always makes me wonder when guys get upset about leaving things in the woods..guys get up set because they don't want their chit taken, whether they expect it or not. I don't expect my truck to get stolen or broken into while hunting, or are you saying I should expect it?
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 29, 2013, 07:23:01 PM
I put cams up and tree stands and have left them for months, and at times till next season..I always expect them to be stolen.If they are no sweat.If you leave things out in the public its gonna happen..I wouldnt take or use somebodys stand because I know its not mine.But today is a different time than before..It always makes me wonder when guys get upset about leaving things in the woods..I have the same philosophy. I expect it to be gone, then if it is I am not disappointed. If it's still there then my day is off to a great start. It's all about perspective.
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or quilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
What's wrong with discussing it?
Is it OK for one person to "reserve" public land? But then it's not OK for another to use that same land?
Just because someone sees it different than you does not make them wrong....
Post by: trophyhunt on December 29, 2013, 07:31:07 PM
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Post by: Stizz on December 29, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 08:47:33 PM
Most logging is so mechanized anymore that odds are good no one will see that metal bracket you left in the tree to hang your stand on, or the processor or tree limber will hit the metal and cause some damage, if the saw happens to land on the bracket you've destroyed a chain.
IMO someone who leaves metal in a tree is no better than some eco terrorist Elf member spiking a tree.
Good way to get hunters kicked off timber lands....oh wait :DOH:
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2013, 08:52:48 PM
No problem with that, but when someone leaves a stand for years and the chain is sunk in the tree 3-4 inches and the steps grown around where half the step is buried in the tree, the tree is no longer marketable.
You've basically poached a tree.
I can tell you have deep feelings for the wood.
I'll write this off as ignorance. I'm not some hippy save a tree hugger either, but I do have some logging background and basic forest management knowledge.
You go and screw steps in a tree and forget about it you've not only culled a good 500bf of timber for a decent tree, spike a big tree and it can get over 2000bf. When a processor runs up and down the tree stripping limbs and cutting to length you're going to mess up the head and possibly ruin the mechanical chainsaw if it lands on metal and probably caused some damage to logging equipment.
If I let hunters use my stand of timber and someone left metal in a tree I'd be ticked off when it took money out of my pocket.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 29, 2013, 08:57:58 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 29, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
yep we read about all they time,trail heads, camps robbed,deer taken,and elk..when I get back to my rig or arrive back at camp Im happy if things are left alone..do you lock your doors when you go on vacation,own a gun safe?Would you leave your gun in a stand or a bow for the next mornings hunt?I put cams up and tree stands and have left them for months, and at times till next season..I always expect them to be stolen.If they are no sweat.If you leave things out in the public its gonna happen..I wouldnt take or use somebodys stand because I know its not mine.But today is a different time than before..It always makes me wonder when guys get upset about leaving things in the woods..guys get up set because they don't want their chit taken, whether they expect it or not. I don't expect my truck to get stolen or broken into while hunting, or are you saying I should expect it?
Post by: huntnnw on December 29, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
The it's on public property thing holds no water with me. Falls into the same category as someone pulling the sd card to look at your trail cam photos, or sitting in you truck. If it's not yours and it's not garbage your picking up, leave it alone.
I sort of agree, but then again, if you leave it on public property and somebody uses it, I just don't think you have a right to complain. :dunno:
Damage or theft is a different matter....
so if I were to use your camp on public land while you were out hunting would just be fine...Im not stealing or damaging anything... :rolleyes:
Post by: kneckshot 1 on December 29, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
behave or not to behave
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
The it's on public property thing holds no water with me. Falls into the same category as someone pulling the sd card to look at your trail cam photos, or sitting in you truck. If it's not yours and it's not garbage your picking up, leave it alone.
I sort of agree, but then again, if you leave it on public property and somebody uses it, I just don't think you have a right to complain. :dunno:
Damage or theft is a different matter....
so if I were to use your camp on public land while you were out hunting would just be fine...Im not stealing or damaging anything... :rolleyes:
Nice try, but...... bad analogy.
Feel free to try again.
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 29, 2013, 11:20:09 PM
The it's on public property thing holds no water with me. Falls into the same category as someone pulling the sd card to look at your trail cam photos, or sitting in you truck. If it's not yours and it's not garbage your picking up, leave it alone.
I sort of agree, but then again, if you leave it on public property and somebody uses it, I just don't think you have a right to complain. :dunno:
Damage or theft is a different matter....
so if I were to use your camp on public land while you were out hunting would just be fine...Im not stealing or damaging anything... :rolleyes:
Nice try, but...... bad analogy.
Feel free to try again.
Seems like a good analogy to me. Trying to figure out how its any different. :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2013, 11:48:21 PM
The it's on public property thing holds no water with me. Falls into the same category as someone pulling the sd card to look at your trail cam photos, or sitting in you truck. If it's not yours and it's not garbage your picking up, leave it alone.
I sort of agree, but then again, if you leave it on public property and somebody uses it, I just don't think you have a right to complain. :dunno:
Damage or theft is a different matter....
so if I were to use your camp on public land while you were out hunting would just be fine...Im not stealing or damaging anything... :rolleyes:
Nice try, but...... bad analogy.
Feel free to try again.
Seems like a good analogy to me. Trying to figure out how its any different. :dunno:
The analogy is no good, and here is why:
You couldn't "reasonably" expect to go setup elk camp in a popular elk area in July and leave it there through December and expect that others wouldn't use it...... You're simply not allowed to "reserve" public property that way.
These guys are talking about leaving their tree stand out ON PUBLIC PROPERTY and having some reasonable expectation that they have therefore reserved that spot.
I can see both sides to the argument - and I personally would not use someone else's active stand - but I don't think it's necessarily a ridiculous thing to do.
I guess if it is, then the next question is: How long should you be allowed to leave your equipment out in the public woods before it's considered "abandoned"?
Post by: huntnnw on December 29, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Post by: Song Dog on December 29, 2013, 11:52:10 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2013, 12:12:08 AM
NO its not..not with some of the above logic..whats the difference?
I think I agree with you.... :dunno: There is no difference.
You should have no more reasonable expectation of "reserving" a public land tree stand spot for 6 months than you would of "reserving" a public land elk camp spot for 6 months. I mean, try putting up your camp in one of the many popular spots in Little Natches for 6 months and see how OK people are with it.....
Post by: sagewalker on December 30, 2013, 09:15:49 AM
Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or quilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
:yeah:
well said!!!
Post by: et1702 on December 30, 2013, 09:52:56 AM
Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or guilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
:yeah:
well said!!!
:yeah:
Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location! Plus, I believe it would be extremely unethical and disrespectful for me to just decide to sit in someone else's stand. Public land or not, doesn't matter.
While we are on the subject, if you come across a guy in a tree stand, back out the way you came! Would you intentionally blow a guys stalk if you saw a couple guys on a ridge with a herd of elk down below them...NO!!! Why is it OK to walk through a guy setup in a tree stand? It's not! I've had VERY few individuals find my stands or walk near them while I'm in them. Most do back out once you get their attention. But, this past year, I was sitting in my stand listening to several cow elk and a bull talking and heading my way. Heard something coming for over 100 yards away from the opposite direction. It was a hunter that was trying to put a stalk on the elk. I caught his attention and he just veered off trail and walked straight at the elk. The area the elk were in is VERY inaccessible while hunting on the ground (i.e., no way to get on them due to terrain and winds). You will blow them out EVERY time if you try to approach on the ground, which is what this Jack A$$ did very shortly after I spotted him. Plus, if I could hear him from over 100yards away, the elk could too!
Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand some people's hunting ethics.
ET
Post by: h20hunter on December 30, 2013, 09:57:20 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 30, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
If I come across a guys stand on the way to my spot, I am not going to back out sorry. I think the stand time frame and use depends on the situation. If I am wandering through the woods and I see a guy has stand exactly where I would have put one with no sign he is using it then I may just cop a squat. Now if the guy shows up, no problem I will be on my merry little way. As far as your elk story, maybe the guy had been working the same heard you were. Why should he back down to you?Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or guilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
:yeah:
well said!!!
:yeah:
Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location! Plus, I believe it would be extremely unethical and disrespectful for me to just decide to sit in someone else's stand. Public land or not, doesn't matter.
While we are on the subject, if you come across a guy in a tree stand, back out the way you came! Would you intentionally blow a guys stalk if you saw a couple guys on a ridge with a herd of elk down below them...NO!!! Why is it OK to walk through a guy setup in a tree stand? It's not! I've had VERY few individuals find my stands or walk near them while I'm in them. Most do back out once you get their attention. But, this past year, I was sitting in my stand listening to several cow elk and a bull talking and heading my way. Heard something coming for over 100 yards away from the opposite direction. It was a hunter that was trying to put a stalk on the elk. I caught his attention and he just veered off trail and walked straight at the elk. The area the elk were in is VERY inaccessible while hunting on the ground (i.e., no way to get on them due to terrain and winds). You will blow them out EVERY time if you try to approach on the ground, which is what this Jack A$$ did very shortly after I spotted him. Plus, if I could hear him from over 100yards away, the elk could too!
Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand some people's hunting ethics.
ET
Post by: sagewalker on December 30, 2013, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 30, 2013, 10:09:51 AM
Post by: Sandberm on December 30, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
Can I park my boat in the middle of the Columbia river and leave it there for all of salmon season because I did the "work" of scouting out that spot? No
If I scout out the perfect spot to park my car in down town Seattle for Seahawks games, can I put out some traffic cones and claim that spot as mine? No.
If I put a lawn chair on top of a picnic table at my favorite park, can I kick people off my picnic table every day I go there to eat lunch? I mean, I did do the work of scouting out that picnic table for its superior qualities.
Why are tree stands on public land any different?
Post by: LndShrk on December 30, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
I don't hunt out of tree stands but I've built several natural blinds along deer funnels in eastern WA. Once in a while, someone else discovers and uses them and I just go to one of my other spots. I personally wouldn't use someone's stand or blind but I would hunt the same area there stand/blind was without hesitation if they weren't in it and I thought it was a good area. I think sometimes people see bucks scouting on public land and wrongfully assume ownership of the area and animal, when in reality, many people have probably seen the same buck. I'll always respect another hunter and give him space if he is in an area but if he's not there its fair game for other hunters. I , however, have zero tolerance for thieves! An ethical hunter/human being should never take something that doesn't belong to them. I had duck decoys stolen from me that I left out over night on private land owned by my grandpa. I'll never make that mistake again:-(. Anyway, I think when it comes to public land we should be careful not to be selfish and respect others rights to hunt and enjoy the sport we love and if you want an area to yourself your gonna have to find a hard to reach area:-)
:yeah: :yeah:
Nicely put.
Post by: krapmit on December 30, 2013, 10:29:38 AM
People who steal are scum bags and I hope Karma bites you hard right in the arse, you filthy pigs.
As far as people sitting in your stand, I have absolutely no problem with it. If I found a stand in a good area, and I "thought" no one was using it, I would definitely sit in it. However, if the owner of that stand came along, I would 100% get out of his stand and move well out of the area. People are rediculess who have a sense of "entitlement" on public property..Get over yourself.
Have respect, and use common sense.
Post by: Kazekurt on December 30, 2013, 10:30:26 AM
ET1702 , there is a major flaw in this logic and the flaw is that your assuming your the only one who worked hard to discover this spot! It's highly likely that someone may still hunt the area , spot and stalk the area, hunt out of a natural ground blind, and may have even killed or seen animals in this spot for years prior to you discovering it. Why should you putting up a stand trump their efforts and dictate you have solo control of the area? I had a group of guys try to run me off public land once saying "I should leave because they hunted the same spot the year before". I informed them that I was a local and my family had hunted the spot off and on for over 40 years and I had no intention of leaving; especially considering I was there first that day.
Post by: Elkrunner on December 30, 2013, 10:49:04 AM
If I come across a guys stand on the way to my spot, I am not going to back out sorry. I think the stand time frame and use depends on the situation. If I am wandering through the woods and I see a guy has stand exactly where I would have put one with no sign he is using it then I may just cop a squat. Now if the guy shows up, no problem I will be on my merry little way. As far as your elk story, maybe the guy had been working the same heard you were. Why should he back down to you?Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or guilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
:yeah:
well said!!!
:yeah:
Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location! Plus, I believe it would be extremely unethical and disrespectful for me to just decide to sit in someone else's stand. Public land or not, doesn't matter.
While we are on the subject, if you come across a guy in a tree stand, back out the way you came! Would you intentionally blow a guys stalk if you saw a couple guys on a ridge with a herd of elk down below them...NO!!! Why is it OK to walk through a guy setup in a tree stand? It's not! I've had VERY few individuals find my stands or walk near them while I'm in them. Most do back out once you get their attention. But, this past year, I was sitting in my stand listening to several cow elk and a bull talking and heading my way. Heard something coming for over 100 yards away from the opposite direction. It was a hunter that was trying to put a stalk on the elk. I caught his attention and he just veered off trail and walked straight at the elk. The area the elk were in is VERY inaccessible while hunting on the ground (i.e., no way to get on them due to terrain and winds). You will blow them out EVERY time if you try to approach on the ground, which is what this Jack A$$ did very shortly after I spotted him. Plus, if I could hear him from over 100yards away, the elk could too!
Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand some people's hunting ethics.
ET
If this is the stand I was thinking about, there is no way in HE** that there is another stand down that way.
Post by: rtspring on December 30, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Post by: et1702 on December 30, 2013, 10:58:09 AM
If I come across a guys stand on the way to my spot, I am not going to back out sorry. I think the stand time frame and use depends on the situation. If I am wandering through the woods and I see a guy has stand exactly where I would have put one with no sign he is using it then I may just cop a squat. Now if the guy shows up, no problem I will be on my merry little way. As far as your elk story, maybe the guy had been working the same heard you were. Why should he back down to you?Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or guilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
:yeah:
well said!!!
:yeah:
Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location! Plus, I believe it would be extremely unethical and disrespectful for me to just decide to sit in someone else's stand. Public land or not, doesn't matter.
While we are on the subject, if you come across a guy in a tree stand, back out the way you came! Would you intentionally blow a guys stalk if you saw a couple guys on a ridge with a herd of elk down below them...NO!!! Why is it OK to walk through a guy setup in a tree stand? It's not! I've had VERY few individuals find my stands or walk near them while I'm in them. Most do back out once you get their attention. But, this past year, I was sitting in my stand listening to several cow elk and a bull talking and heading my way. Heard something coming for over 100 yards away from the opposite direction. It was a hunter that was trying to put a stalk on the elk. I caught his attention and he just veered off trail and walked straight at the elk. The area the elk were in is VERY inaccessible while hunting on the ground (i.e., no way to get on them due to terrain and winds). You will blow them out EVERY time if you try to approach on the ground, which is what this Jack A$$ did very shortly after I spotted him. Plus, if I could hear him from over 100yards away, the elk could too!
Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand some people's hunting ethics.
ET
Nope, I heard them get out of truck, close doors, etc. After they blew the elk out, I hiked out and they were parked 50 yards from my truck and knew someone was in the area. I'd been in same area for three or four days without anyone for a mile or two nearby. It was last couple days of early season and if the guy had a bull tag, I'd likely have helped him if he came by and said something rather than just ducking and running (because I didn't have a bull tag). Plus, they were obviously unfamiliar with the area based on their approach path toward the animals. Again, something I might have helped them with, depending on the situation. BTW, he should have backed down. I was on elk first. I would have backed out if I came upon you sitting in your tree stand, elk or no elk. It's called common courtesy for your fellow hunter, which seems to be sorely lacking in many of todays so called hunters. Why ruin a hunt for both of you?
Post by: et1702 on December 30, 2013, 10:59:34 AM
If I come across a guys stand on the way to my spot, I am not going to back out sorry. I think the stand time frame and use depends on the situation. If I am wandering through the woods and I see a guy has stand exactly where I would have put one with no sign he is using it then I may just cop a squat. Now if the guy shows up, no problem I will be on my merry little way. As far as your elk story, maybe the guy had been working the same heard you were. Why should he back down to you?Do We have to really talk about this? If its not yours, leave it the F alone? Why is that so hard for some to get? It's not a free for all just because its on public land! Ok let's try this, if you feel funny or guilty about something, then it's probably wrong. It's called your conscience, don't ignore it, if you burn up your conscience it will go away. Simple guys.
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well said!!!
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Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location! Plus, I believe it would be extremely unethical and disrespectful for me to just decide to sit in someone else's stand. Public land or not, doesn't matter.
While we are on the subject, if you come across a guy in a tree stand, back out the way you came! Would you intentionally blow a guys stalk if you saw a couple guys on a ridge with a herd of elk down below them...NO!!! Why is it OK to walk through a guy setup in a tree stand? It's not! I've had VERY few individuals find my stands or walk near them while I'm in them. Most do back out once you get their attention. But, this past year, I was sitting in my stand listening to several cow elk and a bull talking and heading my way. Heard something coming for over 100 yards away from the opposite direction. It was a hunter that was trying to put a stalk on the elk. I caught his attention and he just veered off trail and walked straight at the elk. The area the elk were in is VERY inaccessible while hunting on the ground (i.e., no way to get on them due to terrain and winds). You will blow them out EVERY time if you try to approach on the ground, which is what this Jack A$$ did very shortly after I spotted him. Plus, if I could hear him from over 100yards away, the elk could too!
Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand some people's hunting ethics.
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If this is the stand I was thinking about, there is no way in HE** that there is another stand down that way.
hey Justan,
Yes, you know the stand I am referring too very well...lol
ET
Post by: trophyhunt on December 30, 2013, 11:06:16 AM
We've had several tree stands, game cameras and sd cards stolen in the Nile Unit, some this year actually.. I'm sure the jack wagon who stole them is on this site. A matter of fact, we know who did it, it's just tough to prove it.100% agree
People who steal are scum bags and I hope Karma bites you hard right in the arse, you filthy pigs.
As far as people sitting in your stand, I have absolutely no problem with it. If I found a stand in a good area, and I "thought" no one was using it, I would definitely sit in it. However, if the owner of that stand came along, I would 100% get out of his stand and move well out of the area. People are rediculess who have a sense of "entitlement" on public property..Get over yourself.
Have respect, and use common sense.
Post by: et1702 on December 30, 2013, 11:07:51 AM
"Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location!"
ET1702 , there is a major flaw in this logic and the flaw is that your assuming your the only one who worked hard to discover this spot! It's highly likely that someone may still hunt the area , spot and stalk the area, hunt out of a natural ground blind, and may have even killed or seen animals in this spot for years prior to you discovering it. Why should you putting up a stand trump their efforts and dictate you have solo control of the area? I had a group of guys try to run me off public land once saying "I should leave because they hunted the same spot the year before". I informed them that I was a local and my family had hunted the spot off and on for over 40 years and I had no intention of leaving; especially considering I was there first that day.
Agreed, but this wasn't the situation here. Afterall, it is public land and we've all ran into the type of people you desribe. These guys were road hunting and I'd seen them driving up and down the roads previously. I'm sure they had noticed my truck parked in the same spot several days in a row and I heard them stop (by my truck) and listen. As I mentioned elsewhere, they obviously weren't familiar with the area I was at, or they would have never approached from the direction that they chose. They chose a straight line, without regard for wind, cover, or anything (or anyone) else.
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Post by: sagewalker on December 30, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
We've had several tree stands, game cameras and sd cards stolen in the Nile Unit, some this year actually.. I'm sure the jack wagon who stole them is on this site. A matter of fact, we know who did it, it's just tough to prove it.
People who steal are scum bags and I hope Karma bites you hard right in the arse, you filthy pigs.
As far as people sitting in your stand, I have absolutely no problem with it. If I found a stand in a good area, and I "thought" no one was using it, I would definitely sit in it. However, if the owner of that stand came along, I would 100% get out of his stand and move well out of the area. People are rediculess who have a sense of "entitlement" on public property..Get over yourself.
Have respect, and use common sense.
I had mine stolen this fall out of the Nile unit as well. Have any idea who is doing the thieving?
Post by: Elkrunner on December 30, 2013, 11:12:58 AM
Post by: Atroxus on December 30, 2013, 11:16:59 AM
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"Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location!"
ET1702 , there is a major flaw in this logic and the flaw is that your assuming your the only one who worked hard to discover this spot! It's highly likely that someone may still hunt the area , spot and stalk the area, hunt out of a natural ground blind, and may have even killed or seen animals in this spot for years prior to you discovering it. Why should you putting up a stand trump their efforts and dictate you have solo control of the area? I had a group of guys try to run me off public land once saying "I should leave because they hunted the same spot the year before". I informed them that I was a local and my family had hunted the spot off and on for over 40 years and I had no intention of leaving; especially considering I was there first that day.
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I wouldn't tamper with someones trailcam or treestand, but if I get to an area I was planning to hunt and find someone has put up a trailcam or treestand, I am still going to hunt the area unless someone else got there earlier in the morning than me. I think it is ridiculous for people to leave their crap up for weeks or months at a time on public land with the expectation that it makes that section of public land their personal hunting property.
Post by: Curly on December 30, 2013, 11:20:13 AM
I guess not growing up in "The Hunting Culture" I have a different perspective.
Can I park my boat in the middle of the Columbia river and leave it there for all of salmon season because I did the "work" of scouting out that spot? No
If I scout out the perfect spot to park my car in down town Seattle for Seahawks games, can I put out some traffic cones and claim that spot as mine? No.
If I put a lawn chair on top of a picnic table at my favorite park, can I kick people off my picnic table every day I go there to eat lunch? I mean, I did do the work of scouting out that picnic table for its superior qualities.
Why are tree stands on public land any different?
I wish someone would answer that question.
Post by: krapmit on December 30, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
Most people respect and appreciate the fact that they're there..
Post by: Broken Arrow on December 30, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
Every year someones hunt is "ruined" by someone who found their spot, didn't know how to hunt it, etc...and every year more and more folks are in the woods looking for their own "honey hole". Conflicts are bound to happen.
I happen to scout hard in the early season and will prep trees i like for a potential stand, as well as make ground blinds, etc. I don't however set my stands weeks before the season starts or stake my claim as you never know what is going to happen. You may have found a spot that 3 guys have hunted for 30 years, etc., and often within the first few days of the season traffic in and around an area may disturb the animals patterns.
If within the first couple of days, I find that others are not around the areas I hunt, and i have found no other boot prints, folks parked close around etc., i then will place a stand in that area. When the season is over, or if that area has gone cold, I immediately remove my stands.
On the rare occasion when I have ran into other hunters where i hunt ( I'm usually as surprised as they are, as often my spots are miles from roads, etc). I usually have a conversation with them and share, where as where my party is hunting vs them, get the background on who has put in the time, scouting, back stories if applicable ( such as family hunting area, etc) and have been able to come to mutual compromise, in regards to areas.
Now with this all said, these have been my experiences with bow hunters, and I have yet to have a bad experience. I did try rifle hunting with my boys a few times and i must say I have NOT had the same results nor the same considerations. Not that rifle hunters are inherently different, its just the numbers are SO much higher in my opinion and there is more of a mentality of things being "MY SPOT".
Post by: sagewalker on December 30, 2013, 11:30:57 AM
I guess not growing up in "The Hunting Culture" I have a different perspective.
Can I park my boat in the middle of the Columbia river and leave it there for all of salmon season because I did the "work" of scouting out that spot? No
If I scout out the perfect spot to park my car in down town Seattle for Seahawks games, can I put out some traffic cones and claim that spot as mine? No.
If I put a lawn chair on top of a picnic table at my favorite park, can I kick people off my picnic table every day I go there to eat lunch? I mean, I did do the work of scouting out that picnic table for its superior qualities.
Why are tree stands on public land any different?
You could, just don't park it in the barge lane!
and no one puts ropes or caution tape around their tree stand, they just want what is theirs to be left alone.
and did you buy the picnic table? no you are simply trying to make all the wrong arguments here!
Post by: et1702 on December 30, 2013, 11:52:23 AM
Quote"Exactly. Find another spot. I've done my scouting, put in the time necessary to find a good spot. So, spend some time in the woods and find your own location!"ET1702 , there is a major flaw in this logic and the flaw is that your assuming your the only one who worked hard to discover this spot! It's highly likely that someone may still hunt the area , spot and stalk the area, hunt out of a natural ground blind, and may have even killed or seen animals in this spot for years prior to you discovering it. Why should you putting up a stand trump their efforts and dictate you have solo control of the area? I had a group of guys try to run me off public land once saying "I should leave because they hunted the same spot the year before". I informed them that I was a local and my family had hunted the spot off and on for over 40 years and I had no intention of leaving; especially considering I was there first that day.
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I wouldn't tamper with someones trailcam or treestand, but if I get to an area I was planning to hunt and find someone has put up a trailcam or treestand, I am still going to hunt the area unless someone else got there earlier in the morning than me. I think it is ridiculous for people to leave their crap up for weeks or months at a time on public land with the expectation that it makes that section of public land their personal hunting property.
Atroxus, you obviously came in on the tail end of the discussion, I was sitting in my stand when this happened. Elk were below me and getting closer by the minute. As it seems you agree, back out and leave it alone. None of what I said had anything to do with me "owning" the spot or leaving anything up in the woods for months at a time. It's about courtesy and respect for your fellow hunters.
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Post by: hughjorgan on December 30, 2013, 12:01:09 PM
We have had our 6-8 stands up in the Nile for close to 15 years now. I think we have had 4-5 stolen in those 15 years. We know the chance that we take, but as the same time, the area is not hunted nearly as hard as a lot of the other areas in the unit and rifle and muzzle loader guys use our stands every year...matter of fact, in rifle season this year, there was a guy in ever single one our stands.
Most people respect and appreciate the fact that they're there..
Are you building stands out of lumber like you see all over the Nile or you leave hang on stands out year round? To me there is a difference in expectations of whether some one is using a stand that you built and is permanent versus one you purchase and hang.
Post by: REHJWA on December 30, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
I bought my first tree stand this year, I sat in it for all of an hour while I video taped my buddy shooting his buck in early archery. We both left our stands there because he was going back to video his dad there for rifle season. Both of our stands were stolen and his game camera he put up a few days before was stolen as well. Either cable lock your stuff or just take them down after use. I had a game camera of mine stolen this year as well. It sucks you cant trust people anymore. I thought the woods would be the last place you would have to worry about people stealing your stuff. I'm with the rest of the guys, if it's not yours leave it alone! I hate thieves, the worst kind of people! I don't make all the money in the world, so when my stuff gets stolen I cant just run out and buy brand new stands and game cameras. It's a shame, and it ticks me off!! :bash:Over on the west side of the state it's the anti hunters, and tweekers that I have a problem with steeling my stuff. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Curly on December 30, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
If you get beat to a duck blind on public land that is tough luck..........should have gotten up earlier. I think it should be that same way with tree stands. A deer/elk hunter should not get to claim spots based on hanging tree stands at various locations.
That is my take on the subject. But that said, I don't hunt out of tree stands, so my opinion doesn't really matter on the subject anyway. But I felt like giving my :twocents: anyway.......... :)
Post by: PolarBear on December 30, 2013, 12:13:43 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 30, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
I wont mess with peoples private property, but the arrogance that some of you have that its ok for you to reserve your locale on public property is absurd.
A, there are laws about it, and B it is just as much my land and my tree as it is yours. If I park my tent in your yard, I am pretty sure you might eventually evict me even if it isn't your tent.
Probably wouldn't IRK me as much if I didn't find abandoned ones all the time and its just plain litter and damage.... Where are the ethics there, and how do you think others might view our image. Pack it in, pack it out.
As for permanent blinds and structures, might want to check regs on that as well.
on that note, I am going to go stake claim to a particular picnic spot I like. That was a good analogy.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 30, 2013, 12:53:56 PM
If someone climbs into my stand when I'm not there, good for them. They probably wont get anything anyway.
Post by: PolarBear on December 30, 2013, 12:59:58 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 30, 2013, 01:48:03 PM
Bone, the difference is that if I leave my treestand overnight I am not "reserving a spot I just didn't want to pack it out then back in in a few hours. If some other guy is in the next tree over or even in the same tree I am fine with it and will back out, afterall, he got there first. Now, if that guy is sitting in my climber I will politely let him know that it is my stand and that I will be packing it out now and leaving him to hunt the spot on his own. The actual odds of this happening where I hunt is so extremely remote that it really isn't an issue. I can count on one hand how many times in 20 or so years that I have left my climber in the woods. One time was because I was puking. a couple because I had a buck to pack out and the rest were left from a late hunt that continued the following morning.We are on the same page. :tup:
Post by: PolarBear on December 30, 2013, 03:45:18 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on December 30, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on December 30, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 30, 2013, 04:46:49 PM
I got a spot that'd be perfect for doing something like this, it's on a very steep incline looking over a creek wallow area. I could lash up a pole and lay a couple logs to the platform like a gang plank. No climbing and nice quiet entry/exit. In a year or so the rope will fail and everything will fall to the forest floor and disappear. If I wanted to use it a second year just add some lashing and test the logs for soundness. Mostly it's easier to use ground blinds, but in this one case I'd have to clear some nice cover and it'd just be easier to elevate. Use something like hemp rope that will decay pretty quick, good for one season only.
No harming any trees or pissing off logging operations with large spikes nailed in the trees.
It's a nightmare to pull an 8 inch spike that's grown into a tree for 5-10 years.
Post by: huntnnw on December 30, 2013, 10:50:22 PM
Post by: AKBowman on December 31, 2013, 10:03:51 AM
I have left them up for as long as 18 months but like many have said I think that was laziness in my part and I won't leave them up that long again.
If someone were hunting my stand when I showed up I would be pretty surprised! I'm sure I would be upset but all I hunt is public land so if they were actually in my stand there is not much that could be done about it. I would have a conversation with them and remove my stand from the area. There's so much ground to hunt in this state I don't see the point of competing with other hunters like that.
Post by: sakoshooter on December 31, 2013, 10:11:08 AM
Why would someone ever use a tree stand that has been left up by someone? Talk about a loser.
Some of these stands I've seen haven't been used in years judging by old bait piles and branches/brush growing around the stand and such. You'd have to do some clearing to use it.
The stand is nothing more than litter at this point, legally and ethically. I got no issue leaving a stand out for a season but pack it up after the season is over if you're on public land :twocents:
I agree w/Kfhunter. Permanent stands are illegal, unethical. Removable stands are also if left. Public land is just that, public land. Placing a stand doesn't reserve your spot on public land although I wouldn't hunt in it.
Post by: Elkrunner on December 31, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
Post by: PolarBear on December 31, 2013, 10:46:49 AM
Post by: PolarBear on December 31, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno::yeah:
That would be awesome! However, we don't live in the land of unicorns and rainbows. Unfortunately society is becoming ever increasingly selfish and disrespectful, especially those who have great disdain for hunters.
Post by: Elkrunner on December 31, 2013, 04:03:15 PM
How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
:yeah:
That would be awesome! However, we don't live in the land of unicorns and rainbows. Unfortunately society is becoming ever increasingly selfish and disrespectful, especially those who have great disdain for hunters.
If we are all hunters then why would we have disdain for others. Common hunter ethics should not be our issues
Post by: trophyhunt on December 31, 2013, 04:12:37 PM
How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno::yeah: I'm getting the feeling some guys on here think it's OK if they take your tree stand or camera's if they are left on public property. I'm really surprised by some responses, more disappointed. Those who think it's ok to have your crap taken, I hope you get stuff taken from you so you know how it feels. Leave people's stuff alone, simple stupid.
Post by: PolarBear on December 31, 2013, 04:20:48 PM
How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno::yeah:
That would be awesome! However, we don't live in the land of unicorns and rainbows. Unfortunately society is becoming ever increasingly selfish and disrespectful, especially those who have great disdain for hunters.
If we are all hunters then why would we have disdain for others. Common hunter ethics should not be our issues
The problem is not so much with other hunters but with people in general who think that if it is left alone it is free and fair game. My guess is that most treestand and camera thieves are not hunters but more like brush pickers, hikers, tweekers etc. Just folks who happen to come across your stuff. Remember that hunters are not the only people in the woods during hunting season.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2013, 04:24:31 PM
A lot of rants one here fall on the wrong ears - I just don't think there are a lot of thieves and poachers on HW.
Those kind of people couldn't care less about a forum full of conservationists and ethical hunters.
Post by: bobdog86 on December 31, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
`How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno::yeah: I'm getting the feeling some guys on here think it's OK if they take your tree stand or camera's if they are left on public property. I'm really surprised by some responses, more disappointed. Those who think it's ok to have your crap taken, I hope you get stuff taken from you so you know how it feels. Leave people's stuff alone, simple stupid.
I'd hate to think people felt it was okay to take someone else's property while doing what we all love to do, hunting/being in the outdoors. I couldn't with a clear conscience take/steal someones property, and maybe on the next day be at hunter's ed class, RMEF fundraiser, outdoor show all the while wondering , hey I wondering if i stole that guy's stuff, or that guy's stuff. But then again, I don't leave my stuff on public land, you just can't trust some people. Unfortunately in today's world, it's a risk you have to accept. Truly sad.
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 31, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Don't know where you got that from. I haven't seen one person that said it was ok to take others property. :dunno:How about we all agree to leave each others stuff alone and respect each others space when we are hunting in the woods? This thread is turning into the same ole argument that I know most guys are sick of. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno::yeah: I'm getting the feeling some guys on here think it's OK if they take your tree stand or camera's if they are left on public property. I'm really surprised by some responses, more disappointed. Those who think it's ok to have your crap taken, I hope you get stuff taken from you so you know how it feels. Leave people's stuff alone, simple stupid.
Post by: Dan-o on December 31, 2013, 11:24:43 PM
I haven't seen a single reply where anyone suggested that taking someone's property was OK.
The question has been whether it's ok to sit in it if it's left on public property.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
Quote from: turkeyfeather link=topic=143469.msg1904582#msg1904582 date They are basically free game if you do.
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Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 12:22:11 AM
If you leave metal in a tree you've destroyed the tree, the lumber plant will cull the whole tree.
Most logging is so mechanized anymore that odds are good no one will see that metal bracket you left in the tree to hang your stand on, or the processor or tree limber will hit the metal and cause some damage, if the saw happens to land on the bracket you've destroyed a chain.
IMO someone who leaves metal in a tree is no better than some eco terrorist Elf member spiking a tree.
Good way to get hunters kicked off timber lands....oh wait :DOH:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 12:23:56 AM
the.key word is PUBLIC there is no expectation of how the public will
behave or not to behave
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 12:25:19 AM
I agree with what KFhunter has said. Nothing worse than hunters leaving tree stands and destroying trees.
Also remember the laws about unattended property becoming litter. Just like a trail cam is.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 12:29:03 AM
Post by: Dan-o on January 01, 2014, 01:15:33 AM
I agree with that.
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 04:15:22 PM
:yeah:
I agree with that.
Then you're both dinks - no where did I say it's ok to take another mans crap nor did I say I'd ever use someone else's tree stand - quite opposite actually.
You quoted me a few times yet never comprehended what it was I was saying.
Post by: Dan-o on January 01, 2014, 04:24:29 PM
You take that back right now.........
LOL You crack me up.
I assume this means that you think it is OK to take other peoples' property.
Full frontal internet shame on you (and FYI, that is worse than being a dink. So there. Neener Neener)
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 04:27:52 PM
sorry, I can be a bit harsh in my name calling sometimes :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on January 01, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
I think I'm done with this thread.
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 04:55:38 PM
I'm a dink?!?!?!?
You take that back right now.........
LOL You crack me up.
I assume this means that you think it is OK to take other peoples' property.
Full frontal internet shame on you (and FYI, that is worse than being a dink. So there. Neener Neener)
If it's abandoned, does it really belong to anyone anymore :dunno: ;)
The only thing I take out of the woods is empty beer cans that belong to someone else; but I thought they were abandoned so if they belong to you I'm sorry.
I removed your empty beer cans :o
:chuckle:
Post by: DoubleJ on January 01, 2014, 05:07:48 PM
Sir.... Happy New year.
I think I'm done with this thread.
So, you've abandoned the thread. Does that mean I can have it now?
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 05:17:40 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle:Sir.... Happy New year.
I think I'm done with this thread.
So, you've abandoned the thread. Does that mean I can have it now?
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 01, 2014, 05:23:44 PM
I can tell you where there is a Ladder stand!! It has my padlock on it. I'm not sure I want to pack it back out of where I left it!!! :chuckle:
"Hint" Go to where the old Lookout was and on the switchback corner where you can see my house. It's down there!!!
Post by: REHJWA on January 01, 2014, 05:26:46 PM
1. We all want the privilege to hunt on our own terms.
2. We all need to respect the land and each other.
3. If you pack it in pack it out.
4. If it isn't yours don't touch it. (unless its garbage) (yes another man's garbage can be another's treasure)
5. Clearly mark your stuff (IE Name, phone number, date installed and planned removal date) (if you don't it's abandoned and garbage in the woods).
and
6. If you leave stuff in the woods lock it so it doesn't walk.
HAPPY NEW YEAR and good luck to everyone.
Post by: HoofsandWings on January 01, 2014, 05:31:06 PM
Tree burned. It didn't do the tree stand any good.
Post by: WaSouthpaw on January 01, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
well said!
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 01, 2014, 05:49:40 PM
Nice try. I said your setting yourself up for it. At no point did that mean or did I indicate it was ok. Again at no point has anyone said it was ok. Obviously in your mind it is by the fact that that is what you are reading into it. Your making things up now which means your reaching to continue to try and be relevant in this discussion.Quote from: turkeyfeather link=topic=143469.msg1904582#msg1904582 date They are basically free game if you do.
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Post by: romaknows on January 01, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
I know that I could just go somewhere else , but what "if" i found the perfect saddle that big bulls or bucks passed through like clockwork every day , It wouldn't be right for me or anyone else to hang a stand there and leave it up all year expecting nobody else to hunt it.
This is all hypothetical , but it can and does happen especially on small parcels of state land that is there for ALL OF US to enjoy .
The same thing could be said about guys setting up camp weeks before with old tents, but not actually using them ,thus keeping somebody from using them in that time period( i know that some places have lots of sites to choose from , but some do not).
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Hey KF
I can tell you where there is a Ladder stand!! It has my padlock on it. I'm not sure I want to pack it back out of where I left it!!! :chuckle:
"Hint" Go to where the old Lookout was and on the switchback corner where you can see my house. It's down there!!!
I'll take that as permission to sit in it :chuckle:
Wouldn't want you getting all bent out of shape if sat in your abandoned tree stand :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 01, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
The only thing I have a huge problem with , is that some people think that just because they hang a stand on PUBLIC LAND and leave it , and then think that no one else should hunt the area as they have now " locked it up".Exactly.
I know that I could just go somewhere else , but what "if" i found the perfect saddle that big bulls or bucks passed through like clockwork every day , It wouldn't be right for me or anyone else to hang a stand there and leave it up all year expecting nobody else to hunt it.
This is all hypothetical , but it can and does happen especially on small parcels of state land that is there for ALL OF US to enjoy .
The same thing could be said about guys setting up camp weeks before with old tents, but not actually using them ,thus keeping somebody from using them in that time period( i know that some places have lots of sites to choose from , but some do not).
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 06:29:33 PM
my beliefs are to leave people's stuff alone and if that makes me irrelevant than ill be done with this thread. I didn't change your quote? I think for the most part we are on the same page. The biggest difference is I don't think people need to assume tree stands in the woods on public lands are free to use or take home, thinking there abandoned.Nice try. I said your setting yourself up for it. At no point did that mean or did I indicate it was ok. Again at no point has anyone said it was ok. Obviously in your mind it is by the fact that that is what you are reading into it. Your making things up now which means your reaching to continue to try and be relevant in this discussion.Quote from: turkeyfeather link=topic=143469.msg1904582#msg1904582 date They are basically free game if you do.
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Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 01, 2014, 06:32:18 PM
my beliefs are to leave people's stuff alone and if that makes me irrelevant than ill be done with this thread. I didn't change your quote? I think for the most part we are on the same page. The biggest difference is I don't think people need to assume tree stands in the woods on public lands are free to use or take home, thinking there abandoned.Nice try. I said your setting yourself up for it. At no point did that mean or did I indicate it was ok. Again at no point has anyone said it was ok. Obviously in your mind it is by the fact that that is what you are reading into it. Your making things up now which means your reaching to continue to try and be relevant in this discussion.Quote from: turkeyfeather link=topic=143469.msg1904582#msg1904582 date They are basically free game if you do.
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Again your not paying attention. I never said they were free to take. But I do think they are fair game to use if the owner is not there.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
Hey trophy will you kick all the loggers' butts if they saw down "your" tree with a stand in it?yeah right, I'm such a Internet bad azz. I've lost one self climber cause some azz hat thought he should take it, and it was locked. I completely don't have a problem with loggers doing there job, I have a couple good friends that work for Weiss. I used to build stands in the woods but I would use lag bolts so I could take them down, since self climbers it's been years since I've built one. I really could care less if someone is in my stand, I wouldn't do it myself but I would expect them to get the hell out of it if I showed up to hunt. Self climbers don't get abandoned, that's where I'm coming from.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 01, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
Hey KF
I can tell you where there is a Ladder stand!! It has my padlock on it. I'm not sure I want to pack it back out of where I left it!!! :chuckle:
"Hint" Go to where the old Lookout was and on the switchback corner where you can see my house. It's down there!!!
I'll take that as permission to sit in it :chuckle:
Wouldn't want you getting all bent out of shape if sat in your abandoned tree stand :chuckle:
Now you just have to find it!!! :chuckle:
There was at one time a stand that the loggers left it was the only tree in a clear cut!! That was off of Flat creek. Dangest thing I have seen in a while. I give them credit they did have a sense of humor!!! :chuckle:
It stuck out like a bridegrooms weeter!!! :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Hey trophy will you kick all the loggers' butts if they saw down "your" tree with a stand in it?yeah right, I'm such a Internet bad azz. I've lost one self climber cause some azz hat thought he should take it, and it was locked. I completely don't have a problem with loggers doing there job, I have a couple good friends that work for Weiss. I used to build stands in the woods but I would use lag bolts so I could take them down, since self climbers it's been years since I've built one. I really could care less if someone is in my stand, I wouldn't do it myself but I would expect them to get the hell out of it if I showed up to hunt. Self climbers don't get abandoned, that's where I'm coming from.
What exactly have I said that you disagree with? (besides being a dink)
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 06:53:16 PM
Hey KF
I can tell you where there is a Ladder stand!! It has my padlock on it. I'm not sure I want to pack it back out of where I left it!!! :chuckle:
"Hint" Go to where the old Lookout was and on the switchback corner where you can see my house. It's down there!!!
I'll take that as permission to sit in it :chuckle:
Wouldn't want you getting all bent out of shape if sat in your abandoned tree stand :chuckle:
Now you just have to find it!!! :chuckle:
There was at one time a stand that the loggers left it was the only tree in a clear cut!! That was off of Flat creek. Dangest thing I have seen in a while. I give them credit they did have a sense of humor!!! :chuckle:
It stuck out like a bridegrooms weeter!!! :chuckle:
Why do I get the feeling this is the start of a wild goose chase? :chuckle:
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 01, 2014, 06:55:53 PM
OH Ya!! It's big country after that!! :chuckle:
All you have to do is find "The" tree.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 01, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2014, 07:20:40 PM
Kfhunter, I went back and read all your post on this thread and I saw nothing that I disagree with what you've said. I'm not sure where it went sideways? As far as being called a dink, heck, I can admit I'm an azz sometimes. Hunting is a passion and if there's one thing in life that brings out the best and worst of me, it hunting and hunting beliefs. Take care
heh - well that makes two of us :hello:
Post by: REHJWA on January 05, 2014, 01:18:43 AM