Post by: Branden on August 27, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
I am just looking for any pointers or info that I won't think of as a noob archer.
I will be hunting high country mulies for about a week starting Sept. 1st. Just kinda looking for any tips on stalking and stuff like that. Thanks in advance, Branden
Post by: GoldTip on August 27, 2007, 11:20:42 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on August 27, 2007, 11:39:58 AM
Michael
Post by: Branden on August 27, 2007, 01:25:29 PM
The angle is the biggest thing that has me worried right now. I have the Leica 1200 but it does not do angles. I was looking at possibly getting the Leupold but after looking through them it is really hard to read the display. At least the one that I looked through was like that.
Goldtip, have you ever watched a buck for a couple days to try and pattern it, or as soon as you see it bed you close in for the stalk?
Also how close do you get before you remove your boots? Or do you stalk all the way in boots?
Thanks again, Branden
Post by: GoldTip on August 27, 2007, 02:19:07 PM
Post by: Shadow Cat on August 27, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/purchase/products-found.jsp?_requestid=85132
They are Baers Feet and do a great job!! They have two kinds: one with and without Scent-Lok. Without is $29.95, with is $39.95. I quit taking my boots off when I ended up with 12 stitches in my foot because of a sharp rock.
A 100 yards is a good distance to start going into ultra stealth mode. GoldTip is right: they may walk 40 yards away from where you saw them the day before. Practicing up and down hill shots is very important. Learn how your arrows perform at known distances up and down hill. I don't know if the new range finders take into account the WEIGHT of your arrow when they calculate the angle / yardage, but you NEED to know how your arrows perform.
Post by: Branden on August 27, 2007, 08:26:28 PM
Also one last thing. Do I need to be wearing a long sleeve camo shirt or will short sleeve work. Same with my face. Face paint or face mask, or does it even matter. Thanks for all the help I really appreciate it. Branden
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 28, 2007, 06:41:58 AM
I don't want to be harsh, but it kind of sounds like you aren't prepared enough to hunt in the high steep open stuff, where angles can be extreme, and shot distances average on the long side. I'd
suggest you consider hunting more forested areas, deer are there too, just can't glass them up, have to still hunt for them. On the plus side, though, the shots tend to be less technically challenging.
I firmly believe in covering up every inch of your shiny skin. Even if you are fortunate enough to have dark skin, it still shines. I carry a light pair of slip-on leather moccasins for the final approach, and typically put on the headnet and light cotton camo gloves at the same time.
Best of luck this fall, I can tell you from 20+ years bowhunting a variety of species, a season end with an intact tag is WAY better than a wounded and lost animal. I am a self-taught bowhunter, not trying to be pompous, trying to save you some of the emotional distress I experienced my first several years.
Post by: Shadow Cat on August 28, 2007, 07:22:00 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,829.0.html
Doublelung is 100% correct. I would have the same concerns about you hunting open country as well. If you have ANY concern about a shot, then DO NOT TAKE THE SHOT! After 33 years of bowhunting, I have passed on a lot of shots that I was not 100% sure about. My suggestion is hunt both wooded areas and open areas. My reasoning behind this is simple: experiance. If you don't spend time hunting both, then you don't learn, BUT keep your shots short in open country where you have to deal with steep angle shots. It is all a learning curve but don't take it at an animals expense.
Deer have great eye sight and see best in early morning and evening and pick detail up the best during these hours. Every bit of cammo that you have will be a help to you. Here is some info on camo...
http://www.azod.com/Hunting/Archive/2001/Camouflage.htm
http://www.29thdivision.com/training/Personal%20camouflage.doc
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2007, 08:59:13 AM
I am a bit less dependent, or have less emphasis on camo than these fellows. Not saying it isn't important, but movement, outline, smell and noise are more important to me than camo.
High country hunting is a thrill ENJOY! Best bit of advice I can give you is BE PATIENT! Remember, you are in their house and they only have three things to do, eat, drink and stay alive.
Post by: bobcat on August 28, 2007, 09:00:08 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Open-Country-Mule-Dwight-Schuh/dp/0912299231
Post by: Branden on August 28, 2007, 08:10:23 PM
Post by: Shadow Cat on August 28, 2007, 08:35:48 PM
Post by: Branden on December 19, 2007, 11:47:52 AM
We saw about 20 different bucks, 48 bears and 4 goats. My buddy Rob was the only one to try stalking a deer and he rolled a big rock right as we were sneaking over the top. It was an awesome time in the high country, I was just a little bit bummed not to be able to find the buck I was looking for. We ended up doing a 72 mile loop and about half of it was in country I had never seen before so it was pretty sweet. Now I am just going to wait for next year. Thanks again for all the advice. Branden
Post by: Muleyslyr on December 20, 2007, 10:28:38 AM
Post by: mossback91 on May 11, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 11, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
Figured I have a few minutes so I will update this like I said.
We saw about 20 different bucks, 48 bears and 4 goats. My buddy Rob was the only one to try stalking a deer and he rolled a big rock right as we were sneaking over the top. It was an awesome time in the high country, I was just a little bit bummed not to be able to find the buck I was looking for. We ended up doing a 72 mile loop and about half of it was in country I had never seen before so it was pretty sweet. Now I am just going to wait for next year. Thanks again for all the advice. Branden
Sorry but this was just too good to let sit in the archives. 72 mile loop and 48 bears, I have to assume he was in a Cessna :chuckle:
Post by: testar77 on May 11, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
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72 mile loop and 48 bears, I have to assume he was in a Cessna
:yeah:
Or maybe he is the son of the 6 million dollar man :dunno:
Post by: MichaelJ on May 12, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
Michael
Post by: Todd_ID on May 12, 2009, 09:15:07 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 12, 2009, 09:51:54 PM
Michael
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 12, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 12, 2009, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 12, 2009, 10:21:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 12, 2009, 10:27:18 PM
look at some of branden's past posts....he's not messing around.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 12, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
my 64 year old dad did 100 miles in colorado last year in 8 days. not sure why people are having a hard time with the distance.
look at some of branden's past posts....he's not messing around.
Some people just feel a little inferior when they hear of some success of others! lol
Michael
Post by: oneshotkill on May 12, 2009, 11:45:21 PM
I have a book by Dwight Schuh titled Hunting Open-Country Mule Deer that I would highly recommend for a new bow hunter. He prefers open country for mule deer hunting with a bow, in fact, if there are any trees at all he won't hunt it. His theory is that it is much easier to spot the deer from afar, in the morning, and watch them until they bed down for the day, and then begin your stalk (from above.) The book is only $11 on amazon.com. Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Open-Country-Mule-Dwight-Schuh/dp/0912299231
I am in the middle of reading that book for the third time and think that it is one of the best books out there for someone who is interested in hunting open country mule deer.
Post by: testar77 on May 13, 2009, 10:21:21 AM
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Some people just feel a little inferior when they hear of some success of others! lol
Wow! nothing quite as dramatic and pathetic as that. I think in MOST of our experiences with other hunters we talk to out there you can take the distance they THOUGHT they walked/hunted and divide it by 3. It always seems to be a lot further than it really is, especially when you take hills into the picture. Also when you think of being out there HUNTING not hiking the speed you move tends to be dramatically slower or in most cases should be. Coupled with the unusually high amount of bears seen (over twice as many Bears, as bucks seen) just IMO makes the whole story hard to fathom. If he infact did/saw all of the things stated then kudo's to him, and he needs to be friggin bear hunting up there any chance he gets!
Post by: mossback91 on May 13, 2009, 11:17:27 AM
Post by: cohoho on May 13, 2009, 11:43:30 AM
Post by: hogsniper on May 13, 2009, 11:49:37 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 13, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
QuoteSome people just feel a little inferior when they hear of some success of others! lol
Wow! nothing quite as dramatic and pathetic as that. I think in MOST of our experiences with other hunters we talk to out there you can take the distance they THOUGHT they walked/hunted and divide it by 3. It always seems to be a lot further than it really is, especially when you take hills into the picture. Also when you think of being out there HUNTING not hiking the speed you move tends to be dramatically slower or in most cases should be. Coupled with the unusually high amount of bears seen (over twice as many Bears, as bucks seen) just IMO makes the whole story hard to fathom. If he infact did/saw all of the things stated then kudo's to him, and he needs to be friggin bear hunting up there any chance he gets!
Just my opinion, but when some people hear of a guy seeing a ton of bears and quite a few bucks while covering a ton of ground they instantly think "bullsh!t, I've never seen that and I couldn't cover that kind of ground..." or something along those lines. Anybody whose talked with branden and seen his posts and pics would no he ain't one to *censored* ya...
And Moss, that country he was in is typically wide open... Not hard to glass some areas in a few hours and hike a few miles to a new drainage throughout the day... especially the first week in Sept when the bucks sometimes are still bedding in the open instead of the timber...
Michael
Post by: hogsniper on May 13, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Good Lord! 48 Bears? They have got to be playing hell on the mule deer fawns in that area...?
I would have to say with bears that concentrated they are their for the blueberry's or fresh growth. Not like they are their to prey on fawns. And also with some pressure im sure the deer would move out of an area like this!!!
Post by: testar77 on May 13, 2009, 12:38:11 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 13, 2009, 12:47:45 PM
Believe me I truly hope I am wrong!! I looked back at his prior threads, and I definately don't doubt his willingness/ability to get out in the middle of nowhere! The thought of seeing 48 bears in that time frame in Washington is hard to fathom, but like I said I truly hope I am wrong. It has nothing to do with whether I feel I am capable to do what he did, I would love to but my available time is A LOT less than my capabilities are.
Hope you don't think I was singling you or anybody else out... I just know how SOME ppl tend to react when they hear of something like this from a guy they don't know... ;)
Michael
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 13, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
Good Lord! 48 Bears? They have got to be playing hell on the mule deer fawns in that area...?
I would have to say with bears that concentrated they are their for the blueberry's or fresh growth. Not like they are their to prey on fawns. And also with some pressure im sure the deer would move out of an area like this!!!
As far as I know, bear will eat whatever they can get into their mouths. Berries in the summer/fall, fawns in the spring...
Post by: Branden on May 14, 2009, 07:10:52 PM
Sorry but this was just too good to let sit in the archives. 72 mile loop and 48 bears, I have to assume he was in a Cessna :chuckle:
i was wondering if someone was going to say something, 48 bears and 72 miles is quite an accomplishment in fact that is prabably the whole pop. of the entiat unit and then some, but who knows maybe there is a honney hole i dont know about, were they grow on trees.
Wow! nothing quite as dramatic and pathetic as that. I think in MOST of our experiences with other hunters we talk to out there you can take the distance they THOUGHT they walked/hunted and divide it by 3. It always seems to be a lot further than it really is, especially when you take hills into the picture. Also when you think of being out there HUNTING not hiking the speed you move tends to be dramatically slower or in most cases should be. Coupled with the unusually high amount of bears seen (over twice as many Bears, as bucks seen) just IMO makes the whole story hard to fathom. If he infact did/saw all of the things stated then kudo's to him, and he needs to be friggin bear hunting up there any chance he gets!
LOL at all the 'Real Hunters', aka Keyboard Jockey's in this thread. Since you guys know 72 miles and 48 bears is impossible in 6 days, (we actually only saw bears 4 out of the 6 days) then how many miles did we go and how many bears were seen? I want to know so next time I make up a story it sounds reasonable. lmao
Post by: Branden on May 14, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
Did you go 72 miles on foot? How many days did that take you?
Yea we did it on foot. 6.
Post by: MichaelJ on May 14, 2009, 08:55:22 PM
Post by: Justin C. on May 14, 2009, 09:38:00 PM
There were three of us that did this trip and it was a great trip.
You guys who called Branden a liar with your ignorant comments should grow up.
Some people just feel a little inferior when they hear of some success of others! lol
Michael
:yeah: Michael I think you had it right.
Maybe some of you will think before you type next time. :dunno:
QuoteSome people just feel a little inferior when they hear of some success of others! lol
Wow! nothing quite as dramatic and pathetic as that. I think in MOST of our experiences with other hunters we talk to out there you can take the distance they THOUGHT they walked/hunted and divide it by 3. It always seems to be a lot further than it really is, especially when you take hills into the picture. Also when you think of being out there HUNTING not hiking the speed you move tends to be dramatically slower or in most cases should be. Coupled with the unusually high amount of bears seen (over twice as many Bears, as bucks seen) just IMO makes the whole story hard to fathom. If he infact did/saw all of the things stated then kudo's to him, and he needs to be friggin bear hunting up there any chance he gets!
You seem like one of those guys who just likes to hear himself talk. You made so many DUMB comments I don't know where to start :dunno:
Post by: TeacherMan on May 14, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
Post by: Branden on May 14, 2009, 10:10:19 PM
Teacherman. Pm sent.
We saw 34 of the bears in 2 days and probably could have seen over sixty but we cut the trip a little short. We watched 8 bears walk through one meadow in about 30 minutes. Only saw 3 cubs so I don't know where they all come? :dunno:
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on May 14, 2009, 10:40:13 PM
As for bears, I have no idea I do know that in Alaska we seen 17 bears in a day and a half and we ended up taking five of them...
Post by: MichaelJ on May 14, 2009, 10:42:37 PM
Michael
Post by: mossback91 on May 15, 2009, 08:35:50 AM
I just didnt think one could do much hunting when they were punching out 12 miles through mountainous terrain everyday. KInd seems like a hiking trip more than a hunting trip when you ask me......
But thats cool if you did it and I think that the foot put those bears where they are........the foot raises bears like we raise cattle. So your lucky you didnt see big foot in those meadows tending his bear
I have seen 6 bears in one day but one group was a sow with 4 cubs :chuckle:
Didnt see any shooter bucks?
Post by: MichaelJ on May 15, 2009, 08:42:49 AM
Man I dont feel inferior or any such thing because I dont see much success out of being proud of walking 72 miles!!
I just didnt think one could do much hunting when they were punching out 12 miles through mountainous terrain everyday. KInd seems like a hiking trip more than a hunting trip when you ask me......
But thats cool if you did it and I think that the foot put those bears where they are........the foot raises bears like we raise cattle. So your lucky you didnt see big foot in those meadows tending his bear
I have seen 6 bears in one day but one group was a sow with 4 cubs :chuckle:
Didnt see any shooter bucks?
When you get older Moss you'll understand... :rolleyes: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Michael
Post by: boneaddict on May 15, 2009, 08:46:08 AM
I'm not sure I'd call it a successful hunt since I didn't see any big ones being hauled out on packs, so ones technique might be slightly flawed. I'm quite certain that amount of bears can be seen and that many miles can be hiked. You might want to stop and smell the wildflowers though next time and quit walking by those big ones sitting there watching YOU instead of vice versa. ;)
Post by: jackelope on May 15, 2009, 08:50:25 AM
thats like
Post by: ghgetter on May 15, 2009, 08:59:18 AM
it's 3 miles in the morning and 3 in the evening for 6 days.
thats like 1-1.5 hours of walking on each end of the day. plenty of time for hunting.
I think its actually 6 miles in the morn and 6 in the evening but still doable.
And personally 48 bears isnt crazy. If your in the right spot and the right time of year in the high country, seeing 5-6 bears every morning and evening is that out of whack. But thats just me....and my :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on May 15, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
oh he beat me to it.
Post by: mossback91 on May 15, 2009, 09:00:57 AM
That must be it!! Damn my age
When you get older Moss you'll understand... :rolleyes: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Michael
Post by: jackelope on May 15, 2009, 09:06:12 AM
:bash: gosh i am dumb sometimes.
Post by: mossback91 on May 15, 2009, 09:08:15 AM
*censored*...again.
:bash: gosh i am dumb sometimes.
:chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on May 15, 2009, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: Dipsnort on May 15, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
*censored*...again.What do you mean sometimes? :P
:bash: gosh i am dumb sometimes.
Sorry, I saw an opening there... :chuckle:
Post by: Branden on May 15, 2009, 10:15:34 PM
Man I dont feel inferior or any such thing because I dont see much success out of being proud of walking 72 miles!!
Nobody is proud they walked 72 miles.
I just didnt think.
KInd seems like a hiking trip more than a hunting trip when you ask me......
Nobody asked you.
Didnt see any shooter bucks?
Whats a shooter?
Post by: Branden on May 15, 2009, 10:26:18 PM
You young bucks done pissing on each others stumps yet. :chuckle: Lol
I'm not sure I'd call it a successful hunt since I didn't see any big ones being hauled out on packs, so ones technique might be slightly flawed.
Do I care if you think it was a successful hunt? No I don't. I don't base success on whether or not I kill something. Lol about the big ones comment also. Not only do you have to kill but it has to be big also? I have seen a lot of dinks that you have killed so are you saying that those aren't successful hunts?
Post by: mossback91 on May 15, 2009, 11:46:05 PM
Man I dont feel inferior or any such thing because I dont see much success out of being proud of walking 72 miles!!
Nobody is proud they walked 72 miles.
I just didnt think.
KInd seems like a hiking trip more than a hunting trip when you ask me......
Nobody asked you.
Didnt see any shooter bucks?
Whats a shooter?
Guess you didnt see any shooter bucks......."shooter" would be somthing that you liked and wanted to shoot.......
Seems like you wanted everyone to know how far you hiked........thats where the proud would come from.....
Im sorry maybe I should change the ask me to a in my opinion? does that work for you? no? yes? maybe?
I also enjoy how you change my qoute in yours!! :chuckle:
As long as you had fun and felt it was successful right on! :)
Post by: Justin C. on May 16, 2009, 06:47:10 AM
We hike a lot in the dark and in the middle of the day when the animals are less active.
boneaddict, why make the comment about the pissing contest and then keep it going by saying someone didn't have a successfull hunt?
We had a hell of a time just watching all those bears. FYI Branden passed on a few bucks that a lot of guys would shoot in a heart beat.
Also guys Branden and Rob (the other guy with a bow on our trip) both killed bears the year before so they didn't need to shoot one on this trip.
Post by: Branden on May 16, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
Guess you didnt see any shooter bucks......."shooter" would be somthing that you liked and wanted to shoot.......
Touche. No I saw a buck while I was scouting and I decided it was that buck or nothing. Couldn't find him during the season.
Seems like you wanted everyone to know how far you hiked........thats where the proud would come from.....
No that sort of mileage is not impressive. I have a 14 year old cousin that hiked 34 miles in a day. To me that is way more impressive.
Im sorry maybe I should change the ask me to a in my opinion? does that work for you? no? yes? maybe?
Imho works for me.
I also enjoy how you change my qoute in yours!! :chuckle:
I thought it was pretty funny. lol
As long as you had fun and felt it was successful right on! :)
Post by: shag on May 16, 2009, 05:03:01 PM
You shouldn't even bother with these ignorant pukes.. Those who know ya know "pukes" will be miles behind and see far less game than you. Hope all is well. PM sent
Post by: Justin C. on May 16, 2009, 05:35:51 PM
Moss, you might have to join us for a trip one of these days, I think we could have some fun.
Post by: mossback91 on May 16, 2009, 05:45:54 PM
"Impressive" is the trip Branden, Brent and Rob went on the year before when they did 44 miles in two and a half days and took two very nice six foot plus bears. They killed both bears the same day!
Moss, you might have to join us for a trip one of these days, I think we could have some fun.
You boys didnt star in the movie deliverence or broke back mountain did ya? cause if so I think I'll pass on that offer
Post by: boneaddict on May 27, 2009, 12:24:46 PM
I stand corrected. Keep on hiking! Us old out of shape *censored*es that don't know anything or haven't learned anything through the years stand humble at all your great feats. and....I'm quite happy with the dinks that I shoot and film.
I'd say see you on the mountain, but you'll probably just run past me and never see me becasue I'll be hunched over puking.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on May 28, 2009, 06:13:58 AM
Post by: huntnphool on June 02, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
Us old out of shape *censored*es that don't know anything or haven't learned anything through the years stand humble at all your great feats. and....I'm quite happy with the dinks that I shoot and film.
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Post by: MichaelJ on June 04, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
I'm not sure I'd call it a successful hunt since I didn't see any big ones being hauled out on packs, so ones technique might be slightly flawed.
Gotta disagree with ya here Doug, one doesn't measure the success of a hunt based upon a trophy sized animal being tagged... :rolleyes:
Michael
Post by: mossback91 on June 04, 2009, 11:01:30 PM
I'm not sure I'd call it a successful hunt since I didn't see any big ones being hauled out on packs, so ones technique might be slightly flawed.
Gotta disagree with ya here Doug, one doesn't measure the success of a hunt based upon a trophy sized animal being tagged... :rolleyes:
Michael
Michael.....GO back inside your hole!!
Post by: boneaddict on June 05, 2009, 06:10:30 AM
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Gotta disagree with ya here Doug, one doesn't measure the success of a hunt based upon a trophy sized animal being tagged...
Michael
Not soley Michael, but I don't tend to do my heroic feats just for the view. I'm usually out there for a reason, and everything else is just topping on the cake.
Post by: huntnphool on June 07, 2009, 06:57:35 PM
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The measurability of success really depends on personal goals set forth prior to the hunt.
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Post by: MichaelJ on June 15, 2009, 07:55:06 AM
Branden and I have ironed out any differences we had or know what each other was trying to say now a little better. My logic is pretty much what Miles just stated.QuoteGotta disagree with ya here Doug, one doesn't measure the success of a hunt based upon a trophy sized animal being tagged...
Michael
Not soley Michael, but I don't tend to do my heroic feats just for the view. I'm usually out there for a reason, and everything else is just topping on the cake.
Agreed in a way Bone... I think people that climb Everest are freakin nuts, but if there were a Recor book buck up there I'd sure as hell try it... so I think I get your point.
Michael