Post by: Jellymon on January 01, 2014, 01:39:44 AM
Stopped in Evergreen archery and picked up an Elite Answer. Great guys by the way. :tup: I cannot believe how easy these things are to shoot and tune. The draw cycle is smooth as butter, ramps up quickly but about halfway through the weight just seems to disappear! Then it rolls smoothly into an amazing valley and wall. It's hard to explain, usually this much letoff,80%, and this big a valley equals an unsteady sight picture, not so with this bow. It's as steady as my 65% letoff Hoyt Vantage Elite that I shoot 300 40+ X 5spot games with! The wall is hard as rock, ZERO give, and to let down you almost have to push it down, yet it doesn't yank your arm when you exit the valley, very smooth letdown as well. These are great traits for a hunting bow. The grip feels great as well, feels like a mixture of Bowtech and Hoyt sideplates. Speed will be around the same as most companies 7" brace bows, 330IBO, with the option of speed mods to go to 340FPS. I'm sticking with smooth though. Finish IMO is the best on the market. It's not a dip that rubs off in a year, and it looks great! Zero shock or vibration on release, just a soft small bump in your hand. It's very quiet as well. The only thing I have to complain about is my 27" draw length. >:(
Never had a bow tune this quickly. After getting it home I put my accessories on it, Spot Hogg Hunter, QAD HDX, and my tight Spot. Set my rest to just under 7/8" centershot, 1/16" nock high. It's dark by now so I had to wait. :'( Next day I go out shot one arrow just to get my sight close(I don't paper tune) looked to be flawless arrow fight. Shot another arrow. Made a small sight adjustment. Then I shot a broadhead, bullseye. Shot a fletched field point and hit the shaft of my broadhead arrow! Then I shot bare shafts, every one was within about 1" of my field point/broadhead groups! I literally never touched my rest, string, or cables, and it's basically tuned! Now I'm going to do some longer distance shooting tomorrow to do some walk back tuning, but I've never had a bow not walk back tune when broadheads and field points were together, so I'm very optimistic. :tup:
Anyone looking for a bow, shoot an Elite AFTER you shoot everyone else. Don't buy a bow based on the name (Unless you truly do like it better) You'll see what I'm talking about. Did I mention the lifetime transferable warranty that's good no matter who owns it without registering? Sorry if this sounds like a sales pitch, Ive just never been this happy with a bow. Every time I pick it up it makes me smile, and I don't want to stop shooting it. And that's all that matters. :tup:
Post by: EvergreenArchery on January 01, 2014, 05:16:18 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 01, 2014, 05:17:24 AM
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
Post by: mountainman on January 01, 2014, 06:28:51 AM
Nice!maybe get some decent sales reps at the same time and get rid of the old ones! Broadhead is a joke!
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
Post by: Jellymon on January 01, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
Post by: dkecoleman on January 01, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on January 02, 2014, 08:57:39 PM
Nice!maybe get some decent sales reps at the same time and get rid of the old ones! Broadhead is a joke!
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
What is wrong with Gary???
Post by: ollie on January 02, 2014, 09:10:10 PM
Congrats man, Elite makes a great bow. Last year when I was trying to decide what bow to get, that was one of my top 3. In some ways I kinda regret not getting it. I also went with Hoyt. The finish is starting to wear off the front of my grip of my Spyder 30. Kinda makes me mad, but I do love the way it shoots.My buddy had the finish on his carbon element rub off this summer maybe just a 2013 model defect? i bought the same bow haven't had any problems so far. The Elite was nice just wasn't the best fit for me, so it was between the Carbon Element or Prime. Got a deal on the Element and have been happy with it so far! :tup:
Post by: xXx Archery on January 02, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
Nice!
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
your right I cant keep the Elite bows on the shelf..real nice bows
Post by: RadSav on January 02, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
My comments have never been a reflection on Gary. For us he has been one of the few exceptions to the arrogant Hoyt rep rule. But, I do hear the same thing as Mountainman on a regular basis. I've never asked for details why so I'm not sure what they are about.Nice!maybe get some decent sales reps at the same time and get rid of the old ones! Broadhead is a joke!
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
What is wrong with Gary???
Post by: Come Get Some on January 03, 2014, 07:35:30 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 03, 2014, 07:46:23 AM
Which shop did or do you own??
We are wholesale manufacturing only. Don't deal with reps much anymore unless they work for us. Had to hobnob with them a lot while I shot for Hoyt years ago. Back then the Hoyt reps were the worst. Maybe that's why I tend to appreciate Gary :dunno: Suppose things could be different if I owned a shop.
Post by: Come Get Some on January 03, 2014, 07:51:17 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 03, 2014, 08:15:15 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 03, 2014, 08:21:57 AM
Post by: Jellymon on January 03, 2014, 08:27:44 AM
Yes I've found the hoyt bashing thread.
Not my intention. I love my Hoyt too. :tup:
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 03, 2014, 08:40:15 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 03, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
Are we talking back in the Tom Byers days
Tom Byers was a hoot! He and I hang out quite a bit back then. One year at the Archery Trade Show he checked his jacket when we went in for a private Nugent concert. The young girl behind the counter says, "Don't I know you?" Tom says something like, "Nope, never been here before" and walks off. I go up to the girl and ask her if she got his autograph. The girl all excited says, "I knew that was John Denver! He's much more of an arse than I thought he would be." :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on January 06, 2014, 05:38:46 PM
He is a pleasant man to visit with and talk bowhunting, but as a rep, I have found him to be a little on the lazy side..Tries to sell what you may not need or desire, but not checked in when you want or need anything else. When it is my dollars going out, I would expect a little more from a rep, as all of my other reps provide. Who works for who type of thing. Sorry, I do not want to change anyones feelings, just my experience with him...My comments have never been a reflection on Gary. For us he has been one of the few exceptions to the arrogant Hoyt rep rule. But, I do hear the same thing as Mountainman on a regular basis. I've never asked for details why so I'm not sure what they are about.Nice!maybe get some decent sales reps at the same time and get rid of the old ones! Broadhead is a joke!
Poor Hoyt lost another one. :'( If this continues maybe they will start listening and respecting their customers. One can hope anyway :dunno:
What is wrong with Gary???
Post by: dreamingbig on January 18, 2014, 08:06:34 AM
Post by: Jellymon on January 18, 2014, 09:07:56 AM
Here's what I found, winners in each category-
Grip- Elite
Finish- Elite
Draw- Elite
Valley- Elite
Balance- Hoyt
Wall- Elite
Noise- tie
Speed- Hoyt
Vibration- Elite
Recoil(handshock)- Hoyt
Accuracy- Tie
Hold on target- Hoyt
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 18, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 11:28:02 AM
:IBCOOL: hoyt wins
Oh NO! Say it isn't so :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 18, 2014, 01:57:14 PM
made my day!:IBCOOL: hoyt wins
Oh NO! Say it isn't so :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 02:27:50 PM
But if you guys do get a chance to try the new Xpedition Xcentric please do so. I really was impressed with it for a 6" brace height bow. Extremely quiet for a speed bow. And the 350ibo should put a little something extra in your pocket. If you're going to shoot a 6" bow you might as well get the additional speed at the same time, shouldn't you?
Post by: Jellymon on January 18, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
Real world speeds that bow and mine are probably within 5 fps of each other, not enough for me to notice. That new bowtech RPM 360 on the other hand.......
By the way Radsav, have you shot the RPM? How's the draw cycle? I noticed Bowtech is using ATA to rate the speed of that bow, nice to see more companies using that and posting real speeds.
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 08:33:52 PM
We prefer pigmently challenged little people. :chuckle: :tung:
My apologies :chuckle:
By the way Radsav, have you shot the RPM? How's the draw cycle?
I did get a chance to shoot it! It was definitely nice for a low brace bow. But, I don't think the one I shot was anywhere near 70#. Sort of hard to give apples to apples comparison on how hard the draw cycle is. It definitely wasn't an Experience I'll tell you that!!! While it was nice and I like the new grip I couldn't help but compare it to the Xcentric which I liked a whole lot better. Maybe the Xcentric fit me better :dunno:
I thought guys sold their soul for 5fps. I know I get letters all the time from guys who say they were going to shoot our peep until they found out it was 1.5 grains more than someone elses. :rolleyes: Back in my retail days I had a guy try to sue us for a ruined elk trip to Wyoming because he missed a trophy elk at 80 yards. Apparently he told us to cut his arrows at 29" without one to match. When he got to elk camp he found out our arrows and his previous arrows were almost 1/8" different and that is why he missed :bash: So 5 fps...that's almost as fast a quarter falling from your pocket. That's HUGE :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Jellymon on January 18, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
I love RAD peeps! That's all I'll buy anymore. :tup: