Post by: RadSav on January 04, 2014, 02:06:52 AM
Post by: sebek556 on January 04, 2014, 02:12:57 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 04, 2014, 02:15:52 AM
HPV100 is 1-3/16" the other two are 1". Once installed the little screw you see is never removed. Blades are replaceable without the use of any tools. Similar to the old Savora without the split ring.
Post by: RadSav on January 04, 2014, 02:17:45 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on January 04, 2014, 09:02:18 AM
Post by: demontang on January 04, 2014, 11:38:16 PM
Post by: Becky on January 04, 2014, 11:52:28 PM
I know nothing about broadheads (yet) but - oooooohhhhh, they sure look sparkly ;D
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 07, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
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Post by: RadSav on January 09, 2014, 05:12:13 PM
Was a real treat to find ourselves setup only a few booths away from our friends at Eberlestock. What a bunch of first class folks there! They have a new freighter/modular system called the "Mainframe" that uses the welded aluminum frame from last years REF pack. Wish it was available now as I'm pretty excited about it. Still has the same waste buckle I pester them about changing, but it's going to be a real meat packing winner I think!
Beyond that I don't have much to report. Our booth was so dang busy this year I was only able to escape a couple times and always got called back before I made a complete round or finished a conversation with my favorite folks. Didn't even get to sit down with the guys at Bear as they were busier than we were. Never even found the Sitka booth and I really needed to sit down with them. So it was a great show for business and not a real good show for my annual Christmas shopping spree :chuckle:
What searching I was able to do left me with a feeling there really isn't anything new this year that a guy couldn't live without. Lou Grace of G5 was welcoming as always and the 2014 Primal bow line looks fantastic. Though I was unable to shoot any of them as I got called way each time I thought I was going to get a chance. Duel game calls had some new slate turkey calls that will blow the mind of you serious Tom talkers. They look so sexy you might not even need to make a noise with them for a tom to fall in love with you! I did get a chance to shoot the new Xpedition Xcentric!!! I'm not a big fan of 6" brace height bows, but that bow could really make me think twice about it. I actually liked shooting it better than the new Bowtech RPM 360 which was another low brace height bow that impressed. I'll keep my Experience, but for you speed freaks you are going to need to take a trip to your Bowtech dealer and shoot the RPM. I was worried about the new grip and I shouldn't have - at least for my hand it felt perfect! I remain on the fence with their carbon riser bows. I've got the ladies version coming for the old bag-o-dirt so I guess I am warming up to it a little bit! :dunno:
Our peep sight manufacturers family reunion was enjoyable as always. I remain convinced that G5, Fletchers, Specialty Archery and RAD have the best competitive relationship of any class of archery equipment out there. They are all such good people and produce such good products it really is a pleasure to be a part of that section of the industry.
And, that is really about it for products that stood out in my few brief escapes away from the booth. I wish I could have put in more time and given a better report. But you know how it is...business and customer relations come first. I will try to give some more in depth reports about the bows, pack and turkey calls I have coming in. And of course as soon as the packaging is completed I will get detailed about our new Savora broadheads too.
Post by: whackmaster on January 09, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
Post by: demontang on January 09, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
Post by: Bow Tech on January 09, 2014, 08:47:32 PM
Hell ill buy some and make a review and post it. Ive got a big local following and plan to grow it :tup: id be glad to promote something that I know is made by a great guygot that right :tup:
Post by: RadSav on January 10, 2014, 03:03:08 AM
old bag o dirt :chuckle:
Funny thing is when I use that term she gets mad at you instead of me. As soon as she reads this...You're going to be in sooo much trouble!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on January 10, 2014, 03:13:21 AM
Eating at the "417 Union café" :tup: :tup: Heck Yeah!
I had Alaskan smoked salmon hash for breakfast twice. Home styled hash browns fried up with sweet onions, green & red peppers and about 1/2 pound of smoked salmon. Topped with three over medium eggs and served with home made rye bread toast. :drool: :drool: My stomach is still happy and my taste buds are still smiling! No question the best breakfast I've ever thrown down my throat. It was so dang yummy I'll be dreaming about it for months!!!
Post by: DoubleJ on January 10, 2014, 06:32:25 AM
old bag o dirt :chuckle:
Funny thing is when I use that term she gets mad at you instead of me. As soon as she reads this...You're going to be in sooo much trouble!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
LOL
Post by: RadSav on January 10, 2014, 07:33:23 PM
First shipping day after the show we sent out 10,600 peep sights and 10' shy of one mile in tubing! Been a busy day, but short of last year!
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2014, 09:23:58 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 10, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Thats good I move a lot of your peeps in my shop :tup: and its the only peep on my bowswhat shop?
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2014, 09:41:44 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 09:52:03 PM
I didnt see this thread untill just now and boy oh boy those new heads are hott. Specially those Tri-Con 100's. :drool:
Post by: lokidog on January 10, 2014, 11:43:33 PM
A couple of questions: What is the advantage of the long nose on the first one you showed the picture of? And, why do companies make broadheads with such a small cutting diameter as 1 inch? I can see if it is an 85 gr head but for a 100 gr head with a 1 1/4 inch diameter you get 25% more cut.
Thanks. They are definitely pretty BHs. :)
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 07:50:35 AM
A couple of questions: What is the advantage of the long nose on the first one you showed the picture of? And, why do companies make broadheads with such a small cutting diameter as 1 inch? I can see if it is an 85 gr head but for a 100 gr head with a 1 1/4 inch diameter you get 25% more cut.
Great questions Lokidog! Though I do have to start off answering them with a question of my own.
Who decided that 1" diameter was "Small"?
A 20 gauge shotgun barrel has a bore diameter of 0.615", 16 gauge has a bore diameter of 0.663", 12 gauge bore is 0.729" and the 10 gauge bore diameter is 0.775". To hit Washington states minimum bore diameter in a broadhead one would have to look to the rare 7 gauge. The 1" diameter broadhead would be equivalent to a "B" gauge shotgun bore. So when did we start looking down the barrel of a 12 gauge shotgun and decide it was just too dang small to kill anything effectively? Probably about the time some writer who never killed anything with a bow decided to start putting words to paper.
When Duke Savora made his first trip to Africa to work with the Rhodesian government on the Chapinda Pools project he took a variety of broadheads with him. They ranged from 3/4" diameter to 1-1/4" diameter. When a cape buffalo stepped on a land mine officials decided it was a good idea to have Savora put it out of it's misery with a bow. A test subject they would never have allowed him to harvest otherwise. He laid all his broadheads out on a bench and asked the native hunters which head he should use on the buffalo. Every one having never read the advise of an outdoor writer chose the 3/4" model. Savora ended up using the 1-1/8" model that would later become the Savora flag ship Swept-Wing. With one shot from a 72# recurve and a 2219 aluminum arrow it performed flawlessly. The Swept-Wing broadhead became such a huge success worldwide 1-1/8" became an industry standard that still holds true today.
While 1" diameter seems a lot smaller than 1-1/8" you must realize that's only 0.0625" (1/16") smaller from each side of the broadheads axis. In reality that's a pretty insignificant 9%! The benefits of that 1" diameter combined with the short blade length is exceptional flight in windy conditions. With todays increasingly fast arrows that's quite an advantage over the 20% larger 1-1/4" broadhead with almost a 60% increase in turbulent surfaces.
But in a nut shell I've taken a whole slough of animals with both 1" and 1.5" broadheads and the end results have been unnoticeable. Blade quality and sharpness have come much more into play than diameter.
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 08:32:20 AM
The DelMastro and VanDyke heads were designed in a collaboration between myself, my hunting partner Larry Van Dyke and world renowned bowhunter Anthony "Del" DelMastro. Besides wanting an arrowhead that put animals on the ground as fast as possible both agreed upon the two things they really wanted to see in a head that was to bare their names - incredible accuracy and heavy blood trails. Generally speaking those two things are oil and water. It's difficult to get one to mix with the other.
Small blades are important to achieve great accuracy in all weather conditions found in the field. While large entrance holes in hide are needed to get good external bleeding. To achieve both with a single head we combine steep blade angles and a reasonable point diameter that is longer in length. The point slightly stretches the hide creating an angle where the blade tips or back of blade edge contact the hide first. The result is almost always a hole in the hide much larger than the diameter of the cutting surface.
As important as it is to design what you want in a broadhead it is equally as important to design what you don't want out of a broadhead. This is the area where most designers fail when taking a good idea and putting it into a solid foundation for successful repeatability. While most everyone wants a broadhead that flies well, cuts well and penetrates well no one ever wants to see a broadhead skip across an animals ribs leaving it wounded and unrecovered. Short blades with steep blade angles are skipping Houdinis'. They can make an impossible escape a frustrating disappearing act when blade tips catch before the tip of the ferrule begins penetration. The early Rocky Mountain version of the new Muzzy Trocar and the slick little American Broadhead were notorious for doing just that. And if there is anything that frustrates Slick Trick shooters it's that occasional hard quartering shot that just doesn't end up penetrating where you thought it was going to.
To reduce the skipping risk when taking those hard quartering shots it's important the point contacts the target first before the blades. When taking advantage of the superior external ballistics of these short steep blades it's then increasingly important to have them following a longer tip/point. So what you get as a dependable and repeatable design model are heads that look a lot like a Muzzy MX, WASP or these new Savora/RAD heads. The longer point has no real world effect on penetration while the additional security of proper arrow/target alignment becomes an important feature with real world results.
I hope that reads clearly enough and answers your question Lokidog. If not, let me know and I can try to clarify in a different way. Thank you for those questions. They are both often over looked and important to get answered when bowhunters are trying to decide between the vast choices in broadheads these days.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 11, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
Post by: lokidog on January 11, 2014, 10:41:38 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 11:01:29 AM
Thanks Radsav, that was clear, though I still don't think I'll be shooting any 1" or smaller diameter heads. ;) I shoot the Myzzy MX3 and have a bunch since my moosehunt, but I would consider trying yours some time.
The DelMastro HPV blade is 1-3/16. So the same as the Muzzy MX just short like the MX 75 grain. That's available in all three Super-Short ferrules (Titanium Signature, Triple Sec., and Madman) We will have a 125 grain version next year too. And the blades...WAY sharper than Muzzy!!! .030" thick instead of .025" too.
Two of the fastest elk kills I've ever witnessed were both taken by my hunting partner Larry Van Dyke using a 7/8" cutting diameter head back in the late eighties. So don't let outdoor writers scare you on size! If a 7 gauge shotgun bore is more than enough B or 4 gauge should be simple overkill (That's 100 caliber on our smallest head!!!). Only time I worry about cutting diameter is hunting those dang stinking turkeys ;) And even then all five of my birds this year were taken with 1.125". Next season I will probably be using Del's HP head for those stankers though.
Post by: lokidog on January 11, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
Thanks Radsav, that was clear, though I still don't think I'll be shooting any 1" or smaller diameter heads. ;) I shoot the Myzzy MX3 and have a bunch since my moosehunt, but I would consider trying yours some time.
The DelMastro HPV blade is 1-3/16. So the same as the Muzzy MX just short like the MX 75 grain. That's available in all three Super-Short ferrules (Titanium Signature, Triple Sec., and Madman) We will have a 125 grain version next year too. And the blades...WAY sharper than Muzzy!!! .030" thick instead of .025" too.
Two of the fastest elk kills I've ever witnessed were both taken by my hunting partner Larry Van Dyke using a 7/8" cutting diameter head back in the late eighties. So don't let outdoor writers scare you on size! If a 7 gauge shotgun bore is more than enough B or 4 gauge should be simple overkill (That's 100 caliber on our smallest head!!!). Only time I worry about cutting diameter is hunting those dang stinking turkeys ;) And even then all five of my birds this year were taken with 1.125". Next season I will probably be using Del's HP head for those stankers though.
I understand your visual comparison to shotgun bore sizes, however if you miss an artery by 1/8 inch with a blade, it makes a bigger difference than missing by 1/8 inch with a 20 g verses hitting with a 12 since they produce the hydrostatic shock as well as "cutting".
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 12:24:02 PM
If someone jammed a 20 gauge barrel through my chest do you think my rate of survival would be greater than if they jammed a 10 gauge barrel through my chest? I'm thinking I'd be screwed either way :dunno:
Now that hunting videos are all over the 'net why is it we don't see quicker kills with 2" Rage broadheads? If 2" diameter is that much better we should see all animals shot with them go down in sight of the camera, shouldn't we? But we don't! Why? Guys are talking about the same length blood trails as they've always talked about. It was that way in the early eighties when Rothaar Snuffers fueled the use of the Anderson 245 Magnum, the Rocky Mountain Supreme heads. All 1.5" diameter. Myself and hunting partners all took animals with each one of those big blades. Plus a few others. I won a national field testing competition shooting the Calmont Super-2 (1.5" cutting diameter) where I took the largest bull elk in the competition plus another 40 animals in one year with it. Afterwards I was hired by Duke Savora and started using the 1.125" Swept-Wing and had an even bigger year '86. Blood trails were just as big and shorter with the smaller Savora. I just have not seen any evidence that diameter makes a difference. Not then and not now with the wide spread use of the big Rage heads.
But! I did not buy Savora to sell heads. If I wanted to become rich I'd have chosen a much easier way to do it. I bought the company so myself and my friends would always have a superior blade to shoot. If a guy likes the Muzzy, I'm fine with that! If you like the Rage as so many of my east coast friends do...that's fine too. WASP makes a fine product as does Slick Trick and G5 with their Stryker. Heck I have a dozen rifles and can never decide which one to shoot more than 15 minutes before I load up the truck to go hunting. I don't want to grand stand and try to force guys to think there is only one way to skin a cat. If you like what you shoot and it puts your mind at ease who am I to say otherwise. Just please, please, please shoot them as sharp as you can get 'em. That's where the real results come from.
If you decide to shoot a head with .125" larger width per side than our smallest head. I say, "Great!" There are definitely some decent ones out there. Who knows, perhaps I'll build one of those one day. And as long as there are not a bunch of animals running around with arrow sticking out of them I'm happy for those who find what they like and stick with it. But I remain curious who decided and when they decided that one diameter broadhead is too small and/or too big. That's a guy I'd like to sit down and have a coffee with. He must be a genius :chuckle:
Post by: demontang on January 11, 2014, 01:01:57 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 01:12:56 PM
Post by: demontang on January 11, 2014, 02:38:28 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 03:06:04 PM
Ill have to talk with grizzly and see if he'll get some in :tup:
He should be at the NABA show in February. We usually have a nice talk there. NABA show is always a good time. More like a big family reunion than a trade show.
Post by: lokidog on January 11, 2014, 08:19:06 PM
Then why stop at 1-1/4"?
If someone jammed a 20 gauge barrel through my chest do you think my rate of survival would be greater than if they jammed a 10 gauge barrel through my chest? I'm thinking I'd be screwed either way :dunno:
Now that hunting videos are all over the 'net why is it we don't see quicker kills with 2" Rage broadheads? If 2" diameter is that much better we should see all animals shot with them go down in sight of the camera, shouldn't we? But we don't! Why? Guys are talking about the same length blood trails as they've always talked about. It was that way in the early eighties when Rothaar Snuffers fueled the use of the Anderson 245 Magnum, the Rocky Mountain Supreme heads. All 1.5" diameter. Myself and hunting partners all took animals with each one of those big blades. Plus a few others. I won a national field testing competition shooting the Calmont Super-2 (1.5" cutting diameter) where I took the largest bull elk in the competition plus another 40 animals in one year with it. Afterwards I was hired by Duke Savora and started using the 1.125" Swept-Wing and had an even bigger year '86. Blood trails were just as big and shorter with the smaller Savora. I just have not seen any evidence that diameter makes a difference. Not then and not now with the wide spread use of the big Rage heads.
But! I did not buy Savora to sell heads. If I wanted to become rich I'd have chosen a much easier way to do it. I bought the company so myself and my friends would always have a superior blade to shoot. If a guy likes the Muzzy, I'm fine with that! If you like the Rage as so many of my east coast friends do...that's fine too. WASP makes a fine product as does Slick Trick and G5 with their Stryker. Heck I have a dozen rifles and can never decide which one to shoot more than 15 minutes before I load up the truck to go hunting. I don't want to grand stand and try to force guys to think there is only one way to skin a cat. If you like what you shoot and it puts your mind at ease who am I to say otherwise. Just please, please, please shoot them as sharp as you can get 'em. That's where the real results come from.
If you decide to shoot a head with .125" larger width per side than our smallest head. I say, "Great!" There are definitely some decent ones out there. Who knows, perhaps I'll build one of those one day. And as long as there are not a bunch of animals running around with arrow sticking out of them I'm happy for those who find what they like and stick with it. But I remain curious who decided and when they decided that one diameter broadhead is too small and/or too big. That's a guy I'd like to sit down and have a coffee with. He must be a genius :chuckle:
Easy there, I said your BHs looked purty. :chuckle: I'm not trying to say yours won't kill animals. You are right, 1/4 of an inch won't make a difference to the one whose lungs it goes through.
Here's another serious question, how does one test sharpness? Wouldn't it benefit any name brand company to produce the absolute sharpest blade they can afford to produce?
If I didn't have something like three dozen still from my trip up north, I would think about getting some of those long-nosed ones.
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 09:44:20 PM
Easy there, I said your BHs looked purty. :chuckle:I have some uglier ones I'll post soon :chuckle:
Here's another serious question, how does one test sharpness?
There are three different tests we use to judge sharpness.
First is to measure sharpness after the grinding process. We use a Leitz metallurgical microscope that measures the depth and height of burrs down to the single micron. The older Savora blades were sharper than we can produce now even though we use the same strip grinder. The grinding heads we use to get are no longer available. I've offered up a buck load of cash to have them custom made, but so far the manufacturer won't do it. We do have a secret process of grooving our grinding wheels that produces a better end product than you will find out there. But unfortunately we are currently stuck starting with the same wheel many others use. It's really a dang shame because the old wheels were considerably advanced beyond what is currently available.
Second we test the rate of environmental deterioration. This is done by submerging blades in a saline solution for different periods of time. If the carbon and nickel of stainless are not properly blended the edge becomes very fragile very rapidly. Again we use the Leitz micro scope to measure this.
Third is to check Rockwell hardness at regular intervals. Carbon blades have a rather large processing window without running into much trouble in edge durability. But, when dealing with stainless steel blades that optimal window is very narrow. Too soft and you can not grind the edges properly and the blades will not hold their edge through contact with hair, meat and bone. Too hard and stainless becomes very brittle leading to anything from complete blade failure to heavily chipped blades upon entrance to the tissue. Stainless really is a crap blade material that does rust nearly as fast as high quality carbon. It's called stainless not rustless and sales reflect that what people can't see is a major sales incentive ;) I almost always do a small run of carbon blades for myself. However, sales never make it worth while to run enough for general production. Although now that we have so many different blades I just might do a combo run and then stock them as replacement blades whether we make money or not.
Wouldn't it benefit any name brand company to produce the absolute sharpest blade they can afford to produce?
We are the only broadhead company who has their own strip grinding machine. As a result we can set that machine up for hunting blades and never need to change much or have complete setup changes. But I ask myself that same question a thousand times a year. It's just not that hard a thing to ask and buy the best blades the equipment can run. And a lot of these garbage blades are made on machines with greater control and modern features than ours.
Now with the Muzzy three blade and the InnerLoc blades this is a completely different process. One that can never produce the level of sharpness a G5 Stryker, WASP, NAP, Slick Trick, Savora or even the four blade Muzzy can achieve. Other non-strip blades like Shuttle-T are a complete different animal where both the material and the process fail to produce the quality sharpness of a strip blade. I can only assume those producing garbage strip blades can only do so for two reasons; Ignorance and/or Money. Unfortunately there are too many manufacturers that know better and just don't care to spend the extra money or demand the very best.
Modern packaging and marketing has taken it's toll on blades too. This desire to show a broadhead completely assembled often times takes a very nice blade and gets it dull before it ever reaches the end consumer. And then some take a perfectly good replacement blade and package it in a manner that leads to dull blades by the time it gets to the end consumer as well. Again I can only assume ignorance and/or money is the motivating factor there as well.
But my answer is "YES"! I do believe it would benefit every broadhead company to produce the very best blade possible. Although a great blade is only great for hunting if the bowhunter replaces his/her blades regularly.
Post by: lokidog on January 12, 2014, 12:27:20 PM
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Post by: whackmaster on January 16, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
I love the heads. Killed a nice buck, bull and buffalo with them :tup: all complete pass thrus and great blood trailswow how did you get them i cant even get one :yike:
Post by: RadSav on January 16, 2014, 10:11:04 AM
I love the heads. Killed a nice buck, bull and buffalo with them :tup: all complete pass thrus and great blood trailswow how did you get them i cant even get one :yike:
MLB was helping with the field testing of the Ti-Con 100. Same as the one you have.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 16, 2014, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: earlmarne on January 16, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
im all for accurate broadheads n have found nothing but a mech head that flies as well as my shuttle ts
but we all know they are far from sharp n a bear to sharpen
Post by: whackmaster on January 16, 2014, 12:20:42 PM
my bad :bash:I love the heads. Killed a nice buck, bull and buffalo with them :tup: all complete pass thrus and great blood trailswow how did you get them i cant even get one :yike:
i was thinking it was the other head :sry:
MLB was helping with the field testing of the Ti-Con 100. Same as the one you have.
Post by: MLBowhunting on January 17, 2014, 10:12:55 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 17, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
Yeah I am not special whack I will be the last to get the new ones because I am a HOYT guy lol :chuckle:
Maybe Whackmaster will let you shoot his bow one of these days. Then you will think twice about your commitment to Hoyt. Speed and shootability is one heck of a combination. Neither of which seem too high on the Hoyt priority list. :chuckle:
Post by: MLBowhunting on January 17, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 17, 2014, 10:41:40 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 12:22:01 AM
Lol speed is secondary to a well placed arrow :chuckle: yep that's a HOYT and a Savora
You missed the heart by a good foot! Good thing those Savora's are awesome :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 12:23:56 AM
Can only imagine how good it could have been if he were shooting a Bowtech or a Bear. Might have been able to add that Washington elk to the list :o
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 18, 2014, 05:09:39 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on January 18, 2014, 08:02:42 AM
Will your heads be reusable after shooting through say a scapula on an elk or after center punching a rib?
Also, did you happen to see how Martin was doing at the ATA? I heard the podcast they did with Peterson's Bowhunting Radio and I was pretty impressed with the vision of the guy they have running the show over there now. Any info you can add?
Again, great looking broadheads. Any idea of the price range?
Post by: RadSav on January 18, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Will your heads be reusable after shooting through say a scapula on an elk or after center punching a rib?
Also, did you happen to see how Martin was doing at the ATA? I heard the podcast they did with Peterson's Bowhunting Radio and I was pretty impressed with the vision of the guy they have running the show over there now. Any info you can add?
I can guarantee the Titanium models won't twist. You'd probably break one and the insert before getting it to twist. They will have a lifetime guarantee on the Ti ferrule! The aluminum models are proving to be dang tough as well.
I'm a little disappointed in the price I'm having to ask. I did not release all the heads in the works as I'm hoping to solve the cost problem this year. We set MAP pricing at $53.99 for all Titanium heads, $39.99 for all Triple Sec heads (pictures to come) and $32.99 on all MadMan heads (Also have pictures to follow). That is for 3 packs.
Those prices allow a dealer to actually make some money as broadheads of late have been almost a lost leader for many small shops. So I expect a lot of retailers to sell below those prices. I'm not making much and I'm not real happy about the cost to consumers. But, business is expensive these days and we cut no corners on the designs. I am hoping to hit $29.99 or less with the heads I've yet to release without going to China for the ferrules.
I did not see Martin at the show. Wasn't even sure if they made it or not. I am please in the direction things are going over there. IMO there still needs to be some more internal changes, but I expect they will grow into those decisions slowly.
Post by: tjthebest on April 17, 2014, 01:53:14 PM