Post by: slayerofthesea on January 05, 2014, 07:53:55 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on January 05, 2014, 07:55:27 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on January 05, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on January 05, 2014, 08:03:03 PM
If the fish species is open for retention, or is hatchery born (all hatchery fish must die), then it would get the wood shampoo...
Tony
Post by: snowpack on January 05, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 05, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Let's say for instance it's a wild steelhead, that may not be retained, you would have to let it go... Bleeding and all.Sounds like you understand the regs well .... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: ;)
If the fish species is open for retention, or is hatchery born (all hatchery fish must die), then it would get the wood shampoo...
Tony
Post by: KFhunter on January 05, 2014, 08:09:26 PM
I never could wrap my head around that one.
Post by: Houndhunter on January 05, 2014, 08:10:15 PM
Post by: kenzmad on January 05, 2014, 10:19:04 PM
Post by: hogslayer on January 05, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Post by: jeepster on January 06, 2014, 02:10:33 AM
Post by: FC on January 06, 2014, 11:25:36 AM
My issue is the rule that says you cant bring a salmon in the boat to unhook it. I know it can take longer to release one if its in the net over the rail than if it is laying on my deck. I cant leave the fish in the water and unhook it. Rails are too high. We do use a dehooker when possible but it is not always possible.
This pisses me off too, I always release fish as quickly as I can to avoid injuring them. If they are severely tired and are unable to do anything other than feed eagles I will try and hold them upright in the water for a few minutes to give them a chance.
Requiring that the fish not be taken from the water just opens people up for all kinds of injury etc. and is a pita that usually takes 5x as long to get the job done!
I may catch some flak for this one but if it's rough the fish is coming aboard briefly, if I can quickly turn the hook out I do! I try not to use a net at all if I am not keeping the fish!
Hatchery bleeders hooked from the gill plate forward are coming home with me for dinner, SOP on my boat. :twocents:
Post by: Hunterman on January 06, 2014, 11:39:39 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: slayerofthesea on January 06, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
Let's say for instance it's a wild steelhead, that may not be retained, you would have to let it go... Bleeding and all.
If the fish species is open for retention, or is hatchery born (all hatchery fish must die), then it would get the wood shampoo...
Tony
Why do all the hatchery fish have to die? Not being a hippy, Just wondering why.
Post by: deltaops on January 06, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Some people might say it is not waste cause other animals will feed on it. Well that could be the same for all game then. :dunno:
Either way I will continue to follow the law and watch these fish go belly up to rot. Really gets under my skin but until something changes, nothing I can do but try to stay out of trouble.
Post by: jackmaster on January 06, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
Post by: LndShrk on January 06, 2014, 11:52:08 AM
Just wondering everyones thoughts on throwing back gill hooked fish ? Do you keep them? Seems like it would be a waiste to throw them back.
Yup..
Had to turn this gal back even though a seal had punctured through her gills :bash: :bash:
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/284381_229662657076859_3018929_n.jpg)
She swam off but was leaving a blood trail behind. >:(
Post by: wafisherman on January 06, 2014, 01:10:35 PM
I only like to fish bait when targeting stocker trout or panfish for the most part...
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 06, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: wafisherman on January 06, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
Fishing for Steelhead with a lil cleo this year, and set the hook on a fish that gave a couple headshakes and then went to dead weight. Reeled it the rest of the way in and turned out to be a cutthroat that was DOA. Thought about keeping it, but not worth the possible fine for a 13" trout
Yeah, there will always be some mortality. But if they die, they won't go to waste. The ecosystem will appreciate the extra nutrients. If it is not legal, it goes back.
On the flip side, if legal, even if it is not the size or species I wanted to catch, it comes home. Too many guys do 'grading' at places like fish lake, where they use bait, gut hook trout after trout, only keeping the 16+ inchers and letting the others become food for the eagles and osprey. And that is a violation as well...
Post by: _TONY_ on January 06, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Let's say for instance it's a wild steelhead, that may not be retained, you would have to let it go... Bleeding and all.
If the fish species is open for retention, or is hatchery born (all hatchery fish must die), then it would get the wood shampoo...
Tony
Why do all the hatchery fish have to die? Not being a hippy, Just wondering why.
No worries! Becasue that is why they are planted in the first place... to harvest.
no CnR for hatchery fish.... ever.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 06, 2014, 02:48:10 PM
Let's say for instance it's a wild steelhead, that may not be retained, you would have to let it go... Bleeding and all.
If the fish species is open for retention, or is hatchery born (all hatchery fish must die), then it would get the wood shampoo...
Tony
Why do all the hatchery fish have to die? Not being a hippy, Just wondering why.
First, Hatchery fish have nearly no chance of sucessfully spawning in the wild no matter. Their genes are to shallow to successfully do this. This term comes about from the "chance" a native tries to spawn a hatchery fishes eggs or vice versa. It also comes from the Solduc's Snyder fish program. Some feel it takes the native Brood stock fish and by penning it lessens its genetics. So instead of releasing the fish, kill it if its left ventral is clipped.
Secondly, if a native fish is bleeding bad from the gill chances are it may die. But you wont know unless you put it back as a fish has more of a chance in the water. The fish is designed to be in water, not out. Bleeding stops faster and better if the fish is in the water period.
Third, imagine how many tards would intenionally wound fish if you could keep them if mortally wounded? And look back to my second paragraph. Who qualifies any of us to make the decision just based on a bleeding gill?
Chances are its not going to be dead when you reel it in.
Post by: RB on January 06, 2014, 02:52:03 PM
Fishing for Steelhead with a lil cleo this year, and set the hook on a fish that gave a couple headshakes and then went to dead weight. Reeled it the rest of the way in and turned out to be a cutthroat that was DOA. Thought about keeping it, but not worth the possible fine for a 13" trout
Have had that happen with undersized Blackmouth before, hit the squid or spoon and stuff it through the roof of their mouth killing them instantly. What would be a good eating fish gets tossed back to nature because that is the law
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 06, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on January 06, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 06, 2014, 06:37:10 PM
Post by: TheHunt on January 06, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 06, 2014, 08:50:02 PM
I've always wondered what the average mortality rate is with C&R fishing. I bet it's higher than most people think.
Post by: snowpack on January 06, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
It's cheaper to feed the scavengers than get a ticket of coarseI've seen articles that have a range for mortality from 5% to 50% for fish like steelhead and trout, and even seen up to the high 90%s for things like rockfish.
I've always wondered what the average mortality rate is with C&R fishing. I bet it's higher than most people think.
Post by: jackmaster on January 07, 2014, 06:41:38 AM
:yeah:the rock fish is a fish that it seems wouldnot be allowed to be turned out, anyone who has done some bottom fishn knows what happens when you yard one of them up off the sea floor, guts and stuff comin out their butt, bleeding and we still gotta let them go, its a shame, i know under certain depths you dont have that problem, i think thats why they have fathom limits in some places but not sure. they could make it the first few fish caught is your limit, like they do with razor clams, but some rockfish take forever to get to leagal size, like sea bass, i aint sure but i think they are one of the slowest growing fish around :twocents:It's cheaper to feed the scavengers than get a ticket of coarseI've seen articles that have a range for mortality from 5% to 50% for fish like steelhead and trout, and even seen up to the high 90%s for things like rockfish.
I've always wondered what the average mortality rate is with C&R fishing. I bet it's higher than most people think.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 07, 2014, 06:45:19 AM
Post by: jackmaster on January 07, 2014, 06:50:08 AM
Rockfish and such take 15 or so years to get to full size. However, there is no minimum size restriction on rockfish when harvestable.no, i understand that, but like when i am fishn for butts and true cod, often you will reel up a canary fish or i think they are yellow eye, probably all canary, but sometimes their guts and stuff can be coming out both ends, i think all of them die, when you fish seabass do you turn any of them lose? i will normally turn the real big ones loose, i try to keep the mid size seabass, the last time i was fishn wadda island and had a seal take 3 seabass before i could get one to the boat :bash:
Post by: kenzmad on January 07, 2014, 07:05:31 AM
Post by: jackmaster on January 07, 2014, 07:13:08 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 07, 2014, 02:47:44 PM
It's cheaper to feed the scavengers than get a ticket of coarseI've seen articles that have a range for mortality from 5% to 50% for fish like steelhead and trout, and even seen up to the high 90%s for things like rockfish.
I've always wondered what the average mortality rate is with C&R fishing. I bet it's higher than most people think.
Oh I'm sure with the 90% rock fish mortality. I'm mainly thinking like protected native kings and sturgeon being released tired out and exhausted only to be easy pray for the awaiting seal or sea lion :rolleyes:
Also since spending a lot of time fishing on the water more people than not do NOT know how to properly handle fish for release.
Post by: plugger on January 07, 2014, 04:05:03 PM
Post by: ouchfoss on January 07, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
If I have a fish that's hooked deep and I don't want to or cant keep it, I cut the leader as close as I can. Figure it has a better chance of living than yanking the hook out.That's what I've always done for deeply hooked fish that I cant keep or don't want to keep. Had a guy tell me about doing that years ago and he said that you would be surprised how quickly that the acids in the fish will eat away the hook. Even more so in sea water. Don't know how much truth there is to that but sounds reasonable and I've gone by that method for years.
Post by: wildweeds on January 07, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
If this state makes the commercials throw dead or dying by catch purse seined non target salmon over the side,your going to have a hard time talking yourself out of a ticket.My commercial fisherman buddy was totally ticked off at the states cockamamie rule on that last august when they got a big school of 20-40 pound kings in the bag with a couple thousand pounds of pinks.They have a recovery box on board but he said the bigger fish do not respond well to it and almost always end up going back over the side dead.Total waste that could be used to feed the less fortunate and down on their luck.