Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2014, 09:58:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Havent shot them but ive heard good things just ask radsav he will know :tup:No doubt that I will. But Im sure hes trying to wind down from the ATA show and not let me pick at his brain just yet.
I also want to kinda hear more what everyone thinks and what kind of experience people have had with them.
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
I use them for target all the time,before i got into reloading i got about 5k rounds 69 grain fmj.very good but wont hunt with them.they wont expand,just go straight through the animal. :twocents:FMJ Arrow's buddy :chuckle: Not bullets haha.
Post by: MtnMuley on January 10, 2014, 10:07:16 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:12:45 PM
Post by: stevemiller on January 10, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
Post by: romaknows on January 10, 2014, 10:19:17 PM
Maybe I don't like them that much :chuckle:
Post by: stevemiller on January 10, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
Indeed! Shes got some Easton Carbon Ion's in 600 spine for her bow. Im working on them now shes pretty excited, She's probably gonna make a thread if she hasnt already lolAre these the hot pink ones?
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:26:14 PM
Yeah, Black white and pink.Indeed! Shes got some Easton Carbon Ion's in 600 spine for her bow. Im working on them now shes pretty excited, She's probably gonna make a thread if she hasnt already lolAre these the hot pink ones?
Post by: stevemiller on January 10, 2014, 10:27:35 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:29:20 PM
awsome those are spendy. :yike:I know lol
Post by: demontang on January 10, 2014, 10:41:46 PM
I can see the fmj being harder to get a good foc id think a brass insert would do it but total weight would be pretty high. The spine of the arrow is very uniform being alum/carbon, the only down fall I know is they would bend and like all alum arrows the spine changes over a shorter period do to the alum being flex under the shot pressure which weakens metal.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 10, 2014, 10:42:09 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 10, 2014, 10:44:33 PM
Post by: duck1187 on January 10, 2014, 11:21:38 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 11, 2014, 05:20:48 AM
Post by: stickflngr on January 11, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.
If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy! With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight. Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight. Super durable in my experience.
I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints. I just hate the hidden insert thing. Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues. And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability. If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go. Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.
Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream! SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 11:40:46 AM
Post by: stevemiller on January 11, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
Post by: demontang on January 11, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 11, 2014, 01:51:46 PM
:yeah: Love pulling them from targets!!! I shot them for the last few years I found them to be plenty durable, and they are a quality arrow. I mimic Rad about FOC. To get the FOC I needed for consistent and forgiving broadhead flight my overall arrow weight was heavy to very heavy.I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.
If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy! With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight. Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight. Super durable in my experience.
I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints. I just hate the hidden insert thing. Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues. And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability. If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go. Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.
Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream! SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.
Post by: RadSav on January 11, 2014, 06:27:47 PM
What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? :tup:
I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well. With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently. I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible. Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig. Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp. And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC. It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.
Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new. So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft. Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work. In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC. I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason. 11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.
Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult. While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them. Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight. So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes. I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune. And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains. This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps. But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares. Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.
Post by: Smossy on January 11, 2014, 06:37:10 PM
Lol @ Burnt toast, Dang awesome terminology, Who taught you that one bry? :chuckle:What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? :tup:
I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well. With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently. I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible. Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig. Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp. And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC. It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.
Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new. So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft. Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work. In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC. I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason. 11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.
Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult. While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them. Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight. So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes. I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune. And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains. This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps. But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares. Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.
Post by: hughjorgan on January 11, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 12, 2014, 11:32:07 AM
I recently switched to the VAP V1's and wow. Not going back to the FMJ's. But at $220 a dozen, not many people do not want to shoot them. They are MUCH straighter (+/- .001"), more consistent in weight, smaller diameter, and higher quality carbon shafts. They absolutely hammer and penetrate deeper at almost 2 grains per inch lighter.
Post by: dfresh96 on January 12, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Post by: whackmaster on January 12, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
you got it right if you want to shot carbon
CARBON EXPRESS :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 03:14:10 PM
Thread should read what is the most awesome arrow on the planetYeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration. You get what you pay for in many aspects.
you got it right if you want to shot carbon
CARBON EXPRESS :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on January 12, 2014, 03:25:24 PM
What about Carbon Express Mutiny's?
Great shaft for a bargain hunter. Though I would go Mayhem instead. Not that much more money and twice as straight.
Yeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration.
More pricey compared to what? Mayhem is about 20% cheaper than the FMJ and the Mutiny is about 45% cheaper than the FMJ.
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 12, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ'sWhat about Carbon Express Mutiny's?
Great shaft for a bargain hunter. Though I would go Mayhem instead. Not that much more money and twice as straight.Yeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration.
More pricey compared to what? Mayhem is about 20% cheaper than the FMJ and the Mutiny is about 45% cheaper than the FMJ.
Post by: Doublelunger on January 12, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 12, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ's
You must have your Mutiny and Mayhem mixed up. Or the store you shop at has gotten them mixed up. Mutiny arrows fletched should go for about $45.00/6. Cabela's has them on sale right now for $39.88/6.
Mayhem fletched should be around the $74.99/6 mark. Looks like Easton's MAP for FMJ is $74.99/6. Strange since the wholesale on CE is less. Maybe that is why so many shops are starting to drop Easton. Their going broke with Easton setting MAP at no margin for the average dealer.
Post by: Smossy on January 12, 2014, 05:32:04 PM
Yeah had the Mayhem and Mutiny's mixed up.$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ's
You must have your Mutiny and Mayhem mixed up. Or the store you shop at has gotten them mixed up. Mutiny arrows fletched should go for about $45.00/6. Cabela's has them on sale right now for $39.88/6.
Mayhem fletched should be around the $74.99/6 mark. Looks like Easton's MAP for FMJ is $74.99/6. Strange since the wholesale on CE is less. Maybe that is why so many shops are starting to drop Easton. Their going broke with Easton setting MAP at no margin for the average dealer.
Post by: dfresh96 on January 12, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 12, 2014, 06:28:18 PM
I shoot carbon express maxima hunter KV's.
For the past few years that's been my Washington arrow of choice when shooting over 65#. And now they stopped making it. I hate the thought of going back to shooting Easton, but at least the arrows I buy today might still be available again next year. I really like the CE shafts, but this will be the third time I've had to change in the past five years :bash:
Post by: demontang on January 12, 2014, 08:46:16 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 12, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Post by: earlmarne on January 12, 2014, 10:35:25 PM
i have not run any carbon express arrows so i can not give any insight into them.
out of my bemans and gold tips and black eagle arrows i am very sold on the black eagles.
Post by: RadSav on January 12, 2014, 11:18:56 PM
Ive been thinking about getting the carbon express bluestreak once break or loose my goldtips
Fantastic arrow!!! But you will probably need to drop a good bit of poundage to get them legal in Washington state. And they do not make them in a 300 spine.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 13, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Post by: demontang on January 13, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
Post by: RadSav on January 13, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
Man no 300 spine ill have to look into something else. Maybe victory
Maxima Hunter in camo I think come in 300. Same base shaft as the Blue Streak, but camo coated. Don't ask me why they don't offer the Blue Streak in 300, because I have no freakin clue. These days everyone and every shaft should be available in 300.
Post by: demontang on January 13, 2014, 05:34:04 PM
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 13, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
Carbon Express Blue Streak Selects.
I've had great luck with these arrows
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