Post by: cookingdaily on January 12, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
there are a lot to choose from
Thanks Chris
Post by: duckmen1 on January 12, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
Post by: PNW_Hunter on January 12, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 12, 2014, 09:34:08 PM
browning bps, mossberg 500 or rem 870 would be my picks.
Post by: bowhunter851 on January 12, 2014, 09:42:08 PM
Post by: cookingdaily on January 12, 2014, 09:45:13 PM
410
20,16,
I Imagine they are for specific applications
do some come with threaded barrels for slug purposes?
super novice but want to get into the bird side of things
PNW_Hunter sorry posted in wrong spot on info gathering mission
Post by: PNW_Hunter on January 12, 2014, 10:14:28 PM
so what are the other gauge sizes for?
410
20,16,
I Imagine they are for specific applications
do some come with threaded barrels for slug purposes?
super novice but want to get into the bird side of things
PNW_Hunter sorry posted in wrong spot on info gathering mission
.410 is actually the diameter, and is not a gauge, and they are mainly used for training (could hunt rabbits, etc if need be)
I would most surely go with a 12 gauge. If you are looking for a pump action shotgun, i'd look into the 870's as stated before, and they will generally be less expensive than an autoloading shotgun of similar quality.
Autoloading shotguns need a more meticulous cleaning routine as they are prone to problems when not properly cleaned (although all guns should be routinely cleaned, it is just more of a problem with an auto).
All the shotguns listed are great suggestions, but if it were me, i'd be leaning towards the 870 or a Benelli Nova (just based on personal experiences with them). Reasonably priced, and a lot of gun for the money
Post by: Atroxus on January 13, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Stoeger 3500 12 gauge best gun for value. Shoots all size loads, cycle smooth and reliably, feels great, and just a plain good looking gun.
Lies! This is a terrible shotgun, you should keep an eye out for stores that carry them in camo with 28" barrel and post back here to warn me...um...so that I know where to never shop again! :chuckle:
Seriously though this is what I am looking for at the moment as an upgrade from my Mossberg 500. The reviews I have read pretty much all say the m3500 is the best bargain value semi-auto around. If you can afford(not much more expensive than a mossberg 500) and can find one, I say get it. Even if you don't plan to use 3.5" shells now, you'll have the option to do so later.
Post by: C-Money on January 13, 2014, 09:16:44 AM
Post by: cookingdaily on January 13, 2014, 10:27:38 AM
I found this for you
http://www.armslist.com/posts/2556627/spokane-washington-shotguns-for-sale-trade--stoeger-m3500 (http://www.armslist.com/posts/2556627/spokane-washington-shotguns-for-sale-trade--stoeger-m3500)
Post by: boneaddict on January 13, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
I would get a 3" 12ga, in a Remington 870 Express. It is as close to the perfect shotgun as you can find for the money. Sometimes you can get a $40 rebate, keep an eye out for that. If you want a rifled slug barrel, they are available, many more accessories as well. Have fun!!:yeah:
Post by: boneaddict on January 13, 2014, 10:49:40 AM
16....???
20 gauge....great for upland, trap, good for ducks. Fun gun to shoot
12.....great for waterfowl, especially geese, home defense, war, deer or big game. Can be used for just about anything really. Little big for snakes, but there are some that really hate snakes. :)
10 gauge.......skybusting geese
Post by: boneaddict on January 13, 2014, 10:51:56 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,144791.msg1922354/topicseen.html#new (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,144791.msg1922354/topicseen.html#new)
Post by: Atroxus on January 13, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
.410.........vermin, home defense, spending money (shells are expensive compared to other gauges), grouse
16....???
20 gauge....great for upland, trap, good for ducks. Fun gun to shoot
12.....great for waterfowl, especially geese, home defense, war, deer or big game. Can be used for just about anything really. Little big for snakes, but there are some that really hate snakes. :)
10 gauge.......skybusting geese and dislocating your shoulder
Fixed that for you. :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on January 13, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on January 13, 2014, 06:10:06 PM
Stoeger 3500 12 gauge best gun for value. Shoots all size loads, cycle smooth and reliably, feels great, and just a plain good looking gun.
Lies! This is a terrible shotgun, you should keep an eye out for stores that carry them in camo with 28" barrel and post back here to warn me...um...so that I know where to never shop again! :chuckle:
Seriously though this is what I am looking for at the moment as an upgrade from my Mossberg 500. The reviews I have read pretty much all say the m3500 is the best bargain value semi-auto around. If you can afford(not much more expensive than a mossberg 500) and can find one, I say get it. Even if you don't plan to use 3.5" shells now, you'll have the option to do so later.
Exactly just because you buy a 3.5 inch gun doesn't mean that you have to shoot 3.5 inch shells. It just puts the option out there.
Post by: scottcrb on January 13, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on January 13, 2014, 07:21:43 PM
Simple answer.
Remington 870, 3" 12 gauge.
You can get one in camo for like $400 or less.
Simply put, if you start with a Pump, you will learn to shoot better, basically you will learn to make your shots count.
also, remington 870's are very wide spread (sold millions), easy to field strip (just in case there's a problem), and have Thousands of after market parts that are very easy to locate and buy.
great gun, great reliability.
Post by: BiggLuke on January 13, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
.410.........vermin, home defense, spending money (shells are expensive compared to other gauges), grouse
16....???
20 gauge....great for upland, trap, good for ducks. Fun gun to shoot
12.....great for waterfowl, especially geese, home defense, war, deer or big game. Can be used for just about anything really. Little big for snakes, but there are some that really hate snakes. :)
10 gauge.......skybusting geese
Just go with 12 gauge. As a beginner, the 12 gauge is your "Money" shell. Most readily available and easy to buy ammo.
20 gauges are nice, they kick less, but have a much smaller shell, and thus smaller pattern. Most guys just use 20 gauges for fun, because they have shot for years.
And to be honest, 12 ga and 20 ga are priced almost the exact same per box. With a few miner exceptions.
Post by: TONTO on January 13, 2014, 07:40:06 PM
Simply put, if you start with a Pump, you will learn to shoot better, basically you will learn to make your shots count.
Single shot break, learn to make each one count. With a single shot like an H&R and a pocket full of shells you can still cycle pretty quick though. I can get 5-7 shots off with a single faster than most with any pump or auto loader. Of course whats the rush ;)
OK it may not seem as elegant, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a single for a first gun. 3" 12 with a mod choke will do anything you want as well as any gun from grouse to geese to deer.
Post by: Come Get Some on January 13, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
Post by: Atroxus on January 14, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
Post by: BiggLuke on January 14, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
geez... come on, this guy is clearly asking for BEGINNER advice.
Barrel porting is only something to consider after you have shot a gun hundreds of times.
That's like telling the guy he needs to install an after market trigger group set to exactly 2.5 lbs. cause it shoots so much smoother. :rolleyes:
Which is of course, not what he needs.
Post by: Bullkllr on January 14, 2014, 08:28:15 PM
Simply put, if you start with a Pump, you will learn to shoot better, basically you will learn to make your shots count.
Single shot break, learn to make each one count. With a single shot like an H&R and a pocket full of shells you can still cycle pretty quick though. I can get 5-7 shots off with a single faster than most with any pump or auto loader. Of course whats the rush ;)
OK it may not seem as elegant, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a single for a first gun. 3" 12 with a mod choke will do anything you want as well as any gun from grouse to geese to deer.
Sounds like quite a rare talent.
Post by: Atroxus on January 14, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
Barrel porting??
geez... come on, this guy is clearly asking for BEGINNER advice.
Barrel porting is only something to consider after you have shot a gun hundreds of times.
That's like telling the guy he needs to install an after market trigger group set to exactly 2.5 lbs. cause it shoots so much smoother. :rolleyes:
Which is of course, not what he needs.
I am a beginner too, this is only my second season hunting birds, and my first(currently only) shotgun is a Mossberg 500 that came from the factory with a ported barrel. Fyi some Mossberg 500s and most of the Mossberg 500 replacement barrels are factory ported. I didn't say anything about getting an after market trigger, or after-market porting on a shotgun barrel. I was merely cautioning him of the downside of buying a shotgun that has a ported barrel. IE if you buy a shotgun such as the Mossberg 500 that comes with a factory ported barrel and you hunt in a blind with a partner, your partner may not be happy with having their ear-drums blown out. I learned this the hard way, as every time I go hunting with Stilly Bay, he comments about how my shotgun makes his ears ring even with ear plugs if he is standing to either side of me.
Post by: BiggLuke on January 14, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
You make a good point.
Post by: TONTO on January 15, 2014, 07:34:08 PM
Simply put, if you start with a Pump, you will learn to shoot better, basically you will learn to make your shots count.
Single shot break, learn to make each one count. With a single shot like an H&R and a pocket full of shells you can still cycle pretty quick though. I can get 5-7 shots off with a single faster than most with any pump or auto loader. Of course whats the rush ;)
OK it may not seem as elegant, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a single for a first gun. 3" 12 with a mod choke will do anything you want as well as any gun from grouse to geese to deer.
Sounds like quite a rare talent.
Not realy, with an easily accessable ammo pouch and a smooth funtcioning single with a good eject you can cycle some shells pretty quick. Now with a pump or auto and a three shot plug the two follow shots might come off pretty smooth but reloading hangs most people up. Or atleast in my experience. I have a hard time going from pumping my benelli to reloading, just a mental block. Howmany times have you heard your budy's gun go click after that third round? With a single reloading becomes an automatic reflex, I tend to rechamber my H&R without even thinking about it.
Post by: cookingdaily on January 20, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Post by: brokenvet on January 22, 2014, 08:53:12 AM
Better guns would be a Benelli, Nova or Vinci
Browning Maxus or BPS
My favorite the A5
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 22, 2014, 08:58:48 AM