Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: MountainWalk on January 14, 2014, 08:35:09 AM
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I am most likely moving to AK next year on my families propert.i will be alone for the most part, and I'm looking for a rifle for bear protection and hunting. Looking for a fight stopper. Any ideas on cal an rifl under one thousand
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for hunting and protection id go with 338, low power scope
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375 H&H, 338 WM, 300WM. Rem 700, Ruger 77.
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375 H&H, 338 WM, 300WM. Rem 700, Ruger 77.
Perfect answer.
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.375 H&H
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A Marlin guide gun in .450, .45-70 or something along those lines....
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http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,144511.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,144511.0.html)
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Any one of these.
http://www.ruger.com/products/guideGun/models.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/guideGun/models.html)
I have been stalking the 30-06 for a good WA brush gun, but would prefer a synthetic stock.
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For the interior bears I'd think a .338/.375 would be pretty good. If coastal a .375 should be fine, but I'd lean toward something more towards .416 to .458 cal.
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338 winchester will do it all!
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.338 wm or a 338-378 weatherby
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I would first decide on how far you think/believe you will need to shoot.
I could be wrong but based on the OP's description of what he's looking for, I would want something that will inflict maximum damage at 50yds or less and likely, if needed for self defense, it would be closer than that. Under those circumstances I would think a short, tactical style, shotgun with slugs would be the best choice. With something like a 450 Marlin lever gun as a close second.
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The only reason I didn't suggest a slug gun was because he mentioned hunting.
:dunno:
It's one of those questions that probably has a plethora of correct answers. Best to get answers from someone with real world experience in that scenario but you'll probably find 99% of the suggestions made so far would get the job done as long as the guy on the operating end of the rifle is able to do his part.
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My choice on my last Alaskan brown bear hunt..A 338/378 Accumark for long shots, and a Marlin in 450 magnum for in close! All bases covered! :tup:
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a browning BAR in 338 wm has more stopping power than a 12 gauge as far as penetration and ke :tup:
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16 years in SE Alaska spending a large amount of time working (commercial fishing, fisheries biologist, hunting guide), hunting, and living in remote locales gives me a few opinions and a little credibility. For a hunting and bear stopping rifle look at .375 H&H or .338 WM. Look at Ruger or Winchester. I don't like Remington 700s, it is the only rifle I have short stroked and had feeding problems with. CZ is another good option with some good cartridge choices. Steer away from oddball or limited popularity calibers unless you reload or plan on carrying a large stock of your chosen cartridges. You should be able to find the two calibers mentioned above just about anywhere in AK, other good choices of lesser popularity are .375 and .416 Ruger, .458 Win Mag, 30-06., or .300 WM. The last two are marginal for stopping a bear but adequate and better than threats and curses. A .375 H&H is a great all around if you can shoot it.
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For me I would really want a 338+ gun. I am a big weatherby fan and love my 340wby. If it was me I would probably go to a 375 HH. I already have the rifle picked out. It is a Sako Kodiak but they are a little more spendy. I would look into the ruger line up.
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:yeah:
A Marlin guide gun in .450, .45-70 or something along those lines....
:yeah:
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.338 wm with 250 gr nosler partition 2-7 leupold scope
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A Marlin guide gun in .450, .45-70 or something along those lines....
:yeah:
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.375 H&H
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A Marlin guide gun in .450, .45-70 or something along those lines....
:yeah:
You want a lever-action throwing big chunks of lead for the pucker situations.
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consider the distance your shots will be for hunting , if the terrain is going to keep them bellow 150 yards then the .375 will be a fine choice . if they may stretch out to 300-400 then the 338will out shine the 375. both will stop mr mean. plus you can get quality 338 rounds for 40-60 bucks a box .
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Marlin 45-70, open sights. Does the job on kodiak.
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Marlin 45-70, open sights. Does the job on kodiak.
:yeah: Just purchasd one!
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lever action 444, open sights, that thing is a thumper :tup:
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I spend half of my life in Alaska. You can always find 375 H&H ammo here.......good luck with the Weatherby stuff.
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I will be logging old growth spruce for music wood. In a variety of locations. Thought about the 338 wm. I've owned a few a can attest to it's power and accuracy. But this is also an excuse to get a new gun. Buying ammo isnt a problem, as I am taking four or so boxes of whatever. The ol oh six is going to be my primary HUNTING gun, loaded with 210 noslers. But I do want a light "heavy" gun for taking into the dark stuff. I am wanting as short a barrel as I can practillaly get. And it won't be scoped. Id like a couldnt and holland, but I'm having a hard time finding one, especially for less than a thousand. Have ben looking at 375 ruger. Rifle models, I'm leaning towards winny or a ruger. Lever actions are out, bc I want more power than the ol gov round and can't afford bigger than that in a lever gun.
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How bout this? Min. Bullet weight I want is 300 grains. Velocity is of no concern.
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If you don't mind single shots, H&R makes a gun called a Handi rifle. It comes in .45-70 and is small and lightweight. It is one of the .45-70s that can handle buffalo bore ammo. That ammo is hot loaded and is just a tad below .458 win mag. Gun runs around $300 last time I looked.
Ruger No.1 is also a strong single. Can handle any of the big dangerous game rounds. can find used ones from $500 on up. (it is kind of a short/light rifle as well)
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If you're logging, you're going to have a rig around a 30-06 and a pistol is plenty.
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How bout this? Min. Bullet weight I want is 300 grains. Velocity is of no concern.
Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan in 375 Ruger. It's my favorite hunting rifle. The 375 Ruger from a 20" is 95% of a 375 H&H from a 24" barrel. Put a low power scope (mine wears a VX-3 2.5-8x) in quick release rings on there and you're good to go. Sighted in 1.5" high at 100 yards with the 260 gr Accubond my 300 yard impact works out to be the junction of the fine crosshair and heavy post in the VX-3. 2.5x is great up close and 8x is enough to get solid hits on deer sized critters well past the 500 yard mark.
I've been running the 260gr Accubond for the last 5+ years, but this year I'm going to try some different 300gr bullets. Maybe the 350 gr TSX. :tup:
Or just get a 416 Rigby. Just be cause they're cool. :chuckle:
Andrew
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I just purchased a 375 Ruger Guide Gun. Paid $840.00 plus tax. Should be here either Friday or Monday. Another dealer here in town has a 338 RCM in the Guide Gun that I handled and loved it. It shouldered nice. Open sights was good. Planning on using it for elk and bear. Maybe some day use it on an African hunt.
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I checked out a ruger guide gun. I like it. Not a fan of the stock, but looks do not apply really. Hope I can find one a lil cheaper within a year. Do love the fact it weighs eight pounds. Have also given thought to 458 winny, if I can find one. Of course, I'd be loading it down some. I do like the cz rifles too. Thanks for the help guys.
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I know you said Rifle but for up close and personal situation for personal protection outside of actual hunting season ,which you say your using an 06 for.I'd go for a Remington 870 with a shortened barrell,and slugs and 00 buck.A Canadian rancher that bought a horse trailer from where I worked years ago,killed a couple of attacking grizz on his ranch with his shotgun,claimed it was the best thing on bears up close.He used 00 buck and slugs,in which order they were in the magazine i can't remember.
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I've got an 870, but to tell the truth, I'm only so so with my shotgun with slugs trying to shoot quickly. Im much better with a classic style rifke stock and iron sights, than with a shotgun or handgun. And I actually use and hunt with iron sights. Besides, I want this rifle to wear different hats. And I don't want to sink a lot of money for barrels and sights and such on a$200 solar shotgun. And believe me, i'll hunt with this thing as well! I'm just not as confidant with a shotgun and slugs, and to me, confidance is king
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In the situation he's talking about I'd do either the 308 w/200gr bullet or his 30-06 with a 200gr bullet. I'd also want a max 22" barrel but if 308 max 20" barrel. He's gonna be making lots of noise cutting wood, the noise will keep most animals away. In the event it didn't, your not gonna be looking for animals I'd think and one want's you it's gonna get you. You won't know it until it's to late. For up close, velocity isn't gonna gain you a lot, bullet weight will.
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I'm going to be hiking good distances from a rig. I am not going to be clear cutting. I will be ranging out looking for specific trees for fine music wood.
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Are there any gunstores around you with used guns? Sometimes you can find a bargain gun with some character you like. If the line at the cabelas gun counter hadn't been so long, I would've got a cz 550 safari in .416 rigby for $600 from the used rack that was only shot twice. Went back a few hours later and it was sold. :'( Same year I found a rem 700 in .375 H&H at the shop in gorst (by Bremerton) for $650, but he wouldn't take credit cards.
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That Gorst shop is pretty nice, Boerners, I believe. But I live in quilcene and we have one shop close by, but I do not like him, or his prices.
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lever action 444, open sights, that thing is a thumper :tup:
This was the one I'd suggest.
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If you go 416, Remington is about a third of the price of the Rigby and ammo is actually available.
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Here ya go Bone. 444 Marlin with 300 XTP smokes em! :tup:
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There's some 416 Rigby ammo on the fire right now for $4.50 a piece.....that's a steal.
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375 Ruger Guide Gun that I ordered through my dealer came in today. Picked it up after work tonight and like it a lot. Originally was going to order the 375 African blued with the walnut stock but with a pretty stock I would be afraid of scratch it up. So I decided on the Guide Gun. Very happy with my choice as it balances and comes up quick to the shoulder. I have one box of factory Hornady 300gr. Danagerous Game soft point ammo that cost $60.00 and a set of dies that I purchased before rifle. All I need is cases and bullets. I have a pound of Reloader 17 powder then start reloading for it. By the way the open sights seem real good too. :)
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I'm surprised no one mentioned an AR15 in .458 SOCOM!
Ten .458 diameter projectiles (300 to 600 grain, 2000 to 1000fps) as fast as you can pull the trigger. Pop in another mag and do it again... Light weight platform (under 7lbs) with no optics. Did I mention, 45 caliber, 300grain projectile and up to 2000fps, ten rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger.
Don't leave home with out it...
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Im not a semi auto guy, but sounds interesting. A feller who does business with is suggested 50 beowulf. The Rigby is out. Not paying for nosyalgia. The more I think, the more I like the ruger or a cz 458. Anyone ever load one down?
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look at the foot lbs of energy at 300 yards . the true teller is going to be how far you wanna shoot . if your going to push the 400 yard mark then your better off with a 338 . a 338 with some 250 accubonds would be good bear medicine .
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The 458 Win Mag is a lot of fun. I had one the weighed less than 8#. Every time I shot it I felt like I had been in a car wreck. :chuckle:
It was extremely accurate with the old Barnes 400 gr X bullet. Nothing else shot well though. When I ran out of the 400gr X bullets, I just sold the rifle. With a little practice, making 300 yard hits was pretty easy.
Andrew
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I am most likely moving to AK next year on my families propert.i will be alone for the most part, and I'm looking for a rifle for bear protection and hunting. Looking for a fight stopper. Any ideas on cal an rifl under one thousand
Google wild west guns in Anchorage Alaska... All these other guns on here are childs play compared to Jim West Guns................... :chuckle:
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I am most likely moving to AK next year on my families propert.i will be alone for the most part, and I'm looking for a rifle for bear protection and hunting. Looking for a fight stopper. Any ideas on cal an rifl under one thousand
Google wild west guns in Anchorage Alaska... All these other guns on here are childs play compared to Jim West Guns................... :chuckle:
Campmeat, isn't that the huge place downtown next to a huge strip club? Both are in buildings that are like 100 yrs old?
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Wild West Guns has some nice lever gun options in some interesting calibers but they would all put the OP over his $1000 budget.
One cool option would be a CZ in .458 Lott, another classic Alaska big bear stopper. Take it in to Wild West and have them chop the barrel to 20", they did mine fast and did a good job. I have not bought any loaded ammo for mine in awhile but last I remember you could find it pretty easily and it was not much more $ then any other big boomer. You would be under $1000 and have one killer rifle (pun intended) that would sling a big chunk of lead.
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I am most likely moving to AK next year on my families propert.i will be alone for the most part, and I'm looking for a rifle for bear protection and hunting. Looking for a fight stopper. Any ideas on cal an rifl under one thousand
Google wild west guns in Anchorage Alaska... All these other guns on here are childs play compared to Jim West Guns................... :chuckle:
Campmeat, isn't that the huge place downtown next to a huge strip club? Both are in buildings that are like 100 yrs old?
I've only been to Anchorage once and I didn't know about Wild West Guns then. I'll have to go up and investigate the strip club discounts for WWG............... :tup:
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My guide gun is Wild West outfitted. Awesome stuff!
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West wants something like $3500 for one of his guns with your rifle being the donor.