Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
What are the pros and cons....other than reduced recoil and increased noise?
Will an aftermarket muzzle breke decrease the performance of a rifle?
What are good models / manufacturers?
Any recommendations for a good aftermarket muzzle break?
Any recommendations for a good gunsmith that can thread a barrel and install one?
Post by: buckfvr on January 17, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on January 17, 2014, 12:41:46 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 17, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 17, 2014, 12:51:46 PM
What do you think about putting a muzzle break on non magnum rifles???? Like my wife's .243. I imagine it would be like shooting a 22. I am sure she would be ecstatic and would shoot a lot more at the range. Or is it not worth doing on non magnum rifles?
If it gets her to shoot more....its worth it.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
What do you think about putting a muzzle break on non magnum rifles???? Like my wife's .243. I imagine it would be like shooting a 22. I am sure she would be ecstatic and would shoot a lot more at the range. Or is it not worth doing on non magnum rifles?
I've put brakes on several .243's makes them a pleasure to shoot and staying on hits is easy. We just wear electronic ear muffs. So you can speak casually and protect yourself from the noise of the brake.
Post by: coachcw on January 17, 2014, 01:08:55 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
1. taking a perfectly good shooting rifle and messing up the barrel
2. taking an extremely accurate rifle and reducing it's accuracy. This rifle had two shots (from me) sub 3/4" at 300 yards off a bench....it is a dream to shoot and probably one of the most accurate rifles I have owned. It will shoot sub 1/2" all day long at 100 yards.
What I would like to gain
1. A rifle she likes to shoot more (i.e. less recoil) even though she likes shooting it now as it is. She will usually put 15 rounds through it every time we take it to the range. The recoil doesn't bother her...however that is one of her biggest fears. If that makes sense??
2. Would also consider braking a .270 to get recoil down to a .243 so she could shoot elk / bear with a .270.
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 17, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
Anyone seen or used one of these?
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2014, 01:11:06 PM
What do you think about putting a muzzle break on non magnum rifles???? Like my wife's .243. I imagine it would be like shooting a 22. I am sure she would be ecstatic and would shoot a lot more at the range. Or is it not worth doing on non magnum rifles?
I've put brakes on several .243's makes them a pleasure to shoot and staying on hits is easy. We just wear electronic ear muffs. So you can speak casually and protect yourself from the noise of the brake.
Great to know...I think I am going to get this done.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
Just have a competent gunsmith install it and you won't have any problems or any issues.
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2014, 02:21:50 PM
My two fears are:I think you would be better off leaving that rifle alone. You could handload mild ammunition for your wife. If she can't shoot mild ammunition out of a 243, I don't a break will be of much value.
1. taking a perfectly good shooting rifle and messing up the barrel
2. taking an extremely accurate rifle and reducing it's accuracy. This rifle had two shots (from me) sub 3/4" at 300 yards off a bench....it is a dream to shoot and probably one of the most accurate rifles I have owned. It will shoot sub 1/2" all day long at 100 yards.
What I would like to gain
1. A rifle she likes to shoot more (i.e. less recoil) even though she likes shooting it now as it is. She will usually put 15 rounds through it every time we take it to the range. The recoil doesn't bother her...however that is one of her biggest fears. If that makes sense??
2. Would also consider braking a .270 to get recoil down to a .243 so she could shoot elk / bear with a .270.
Breaks increase muzzle blast (noise) significantly. Many shooters have flinch issues from noise more than recoil. If you increase noise with a mild caliber you may be going backwards. :twocents:
Post by: jrebel on January 17, 2014, 02:27:33 PM
My two fears are:I think you would be better off leaving that rifle alone. You could handload mild ammunition for your wife. If she can't shoot mild ammunition out of a 243, I don't a break will be of much value.
1. taking a perfectly good shooting rifle and messing up the barrel
2. taking an extremely accurate rifle and reducing it's accuracy. This rifle had two shots (from me) sub 3/4" at 300 yards off a bench....it is a dream to shoot and probably one of the most accurate rifles I have owned. It will shoot sub 1/2" all day long at 100 yards.
What I would like to gain
1. A rifle she likes to shoot more (i.e. less recoil) even though she likes shooting it now as it is. She will usually put 15 rounds through it every time we take it to the range. The recoil doesn't bother her...however that is one of her biggest fears. If that makes sense??
2. Would also consider braking a .270 to get recoil down to a .243 so she could shoot elk / bear with a .270.
Breaks increase muzzle blast (noise) significantly. Many shooters have flinch issues from noise more than recoil. If you increase noise with a mild caliber you may be going backwards. :twocents:
That's great insight....This is the first rifle I have found she likes to shoot. Maybe I should leave well enough alone and brake my .270. Then she could shoot that and see if the noise bothers her....the recoil should be reduced to about that of a .243. If she likes the less recoil of the .270 and doesn't mind the noise maybe we will do hers too. OH THE DECISIONS.
Post by: snowpack on January 17, 2014, 02:50:12 PM
Post by: RB on January 17, 2014, 02:55:01 PM
:yeah:My two fears are:I think you would be better off leaving that rifle alone. You could handload mild ammunition for your wife. If she can't shoot mild ammunition out of a 243, I don't a break will be of much value.
1. taking a perfectly good shooting rifle and messing up the barrel
2. taking an extremely accurate rifle and reducing it's accuracy. This rifle had two shots (from me) sub 3/4" at 300 yards off a bench....it is a dream to shoot and probably one of the most accurate rifles I have owned. It will shoot sub 1/2" all day long at 100 yards.
What I would like to gain
1. A rifle she likes to shoot more (i.e. less recoil) even though she likes shooting it now as it is. She will usually put 15 rounds through it every time we take it to the range. The recoil doesn't bother her...however that is one of her biggest fears. If that makes sense??
2. Would also consider braking a .270 to get recoil down to a .243 so she could shoot elk / bear with a .270.
Breaks increase muzzle blast (noise) significantly. Many shooters have flinch issues from noise more than recoil. If you increase noise with a mild caliber you may be going backwards. :twocents:
I had a break and a Decelerator pad put on my .300 Win/Mag and developed one hell of a flinch! Took a couple hundred rounds to get over it, BUT it shoots better and recoil is nice not sure if I would do it again probably should have stuck with 30-06 I can shoot it well with out a break and I don't piss off the guy sitting next to me at the range because of the muzzle blast :)
:twocents:
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 17, 2014, 03:12:55 PM
My two fears are:I have / had piles of rifles with brakes and with out.
1. taking a perfectly good shooting rifle and messing up the barrel
2. taking an extremely accurate rifle and reducing it's accuracy. This rifle had two shots (from me) sub 3/4" at 300 yards off a bench....it is a dream to shoot and probably one of the most accurate rifles I have owned. It will shoot sub 1/2" all day long at 100 yards.
What I would like to gain
1. A rifle she likes to shoot more (i.e. less recoil) even though she likes shooting it now as it is. She will usually put 15 rounds through it every time we take it to the range. The recoil doesn't bother her...however that is one of her biggest fears. If that makes sense??
2. Would also consider braking a .270 to get recoil down to a .243 so she could shoot elk / bear with a .270.
One issue with brakes is the increase in noise to the point of inducing a flinch in a novice shooter.
Shooting from the bench tends to recoil more than proper prone shooting.
Get a quality mat and rear bag with a good bi pod that swivels ( http://www.midwayusa.com/product/155546/harris-s-brm-bipod-leg-notch-sling-swivel-stud-mount-6-to-9-black (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/155546/harris-s-brm-bipod-leg-notch-sling-swivel-stud-mount-6-to-9-black) ) and good shooting technique will limit a lot of recoil all by it self.
When teaching a novice shooter, I have switch from braked rifles to suppressed or no braked when possible.
On the heavies when I don't have a can for a particular rifle, I will still run a brake.
If you do decide to brake her 243, have Travis @ R Bros do it as he is with out a doubt the best in the pacific northwest.
Also look at the Defensive Edge brake. A side discharge brake is the only way to go unless you plan on only bench shooting the rifle.
I see you are in Wenatchee, I'd more than happy to meet you at the range and let you test run a suppressed rifle.
Post by: jackelope on January 17, 2014, 03:43:15 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2014, 03:47:16 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 17, 2014, 09:56:30 PM
Andrew
Post by: 700xcr on January 18, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
http://www.wittmachine.net/ (http://www.wittmachine.net/)POA would change if you remove the brake. If you kept it on all the time it would be fine. Removing or adding to the barrel will change harmonic balance (barrel osculation}and that changes POA.
Anyone seen or used one of these?
Post by: tbotts on January 18, 2014, 08:17:03 AM
I had my gunsmith install a mercury recoil reducer in the stock, and remove the break. The recoil is still reduced to manageable levels. I would recommend that before a break.
Plus, shooting at the range with a break on your gun will not only be loud for you, but for the other shooters as well. Use reduced loads for your wife in the 243. Also, a shooting pad that straps on your shoulder will help with the recoil.
Post by: jackelope on January 18, 2014, 09:12:15 AM
:dunno:
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 18, 2014, 09:52:50 AM
Loud happens at gun ranges.:yike: :chuckle:
:dunno:
Post by: brush hunter on January 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 18, 2014, 07:20:18 PM