Post by: MountianMan on November 14, 2008, 08:19:14 AM
Thanks.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 14, 2008, 08:30:39 AM
Post by: TheHunt on November 14, 2008, 08:51:51 AM
Post by: rasbo on November 14, 2008, 09:32:51 AM
Post by: Ray on November 14, 2008, 09:41:36 AM
Post by: rasbo on November 14, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
The only thing that seems waterproof are submarines. :stirthepot:I figure this topic will get things going,now that ya got the pot stirring :chuckle:
Post by: Huntbear on November 14, 2008, 09:57:37 AM
Post by: 300rum on November 14, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
The things I dislike about wool is that it takes forever to dry and it is heavy when wet.
Post by: Huntbear on November 14, 2008, 10:03:05 AM
I have had Gortex everything and rain goes down my neck, up my pants let and up the cuffs of my jacket. I am now a wool only person. You can't beat wool with a stick. You can't get any quieter than wool either.
The things I dislike about wool is that it takes forever to dry and it is heavy when wet.
I love wool also, but once after getting caught in a downpour, in a clearcut. I literally pullled off my wool pants, and wrung out about a gallon of water then put them back on. When I turned around, there was 2 hunters watching me through binos.. :chuckle: :rolleyes: At least I had my long johns on, lmao.
Post by: rasbo on November 14, 2008, 10:18:47 AM
yeah wool is cool,it makes me rash drives me nuts,but its good,I heard there is some that wont itch :dunno:I have had Gortex everything and rain goes down my neck, up my pants let and up the cuffs of my jacket. I am now a wool only person. You can't beat wool with a stick. You can't get any quieter than wool either.
The things I dislike about wool is that it takes forever to dry and it is heavy when wet.
I love wool also, but once after getting caught in a downpour, in a clearcut. I literally pullled off my wool pants, and wrung out about a gallon of water then put them back on. When I turned around, there was 2 hunters watching me through binos.. :chuckle: :rolleyes: At least I had my long johns on, lmao.
Post by: MountianMan on November 14, 2008, 10:26:24 AM
Post by: Dadbear on November 14, 2008, 10:31:56 AM
Post by: 300rum on November 14, 2008, 10:35:10 AM
Post by: saudog on November 14, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
Post by: Huntbear on November 14, 2008, 11:35:51 AM
Post by: Hawk on November 14, 2008, 11:42:23 AM
Post by: DeKuma on November 14, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
Post by: zpoolman on November 14, 2008, 12:36:36 PM
Post by: Dadbear on November 14, 2008, 01:24:32 PM
I don't go into the woods in the rain without it.
Post by: rasbo on November 14, 2008, 01:34:20 PM
I also use a RW product. It's the "Bucket Hat"... it's so waterproof you can fill it w/ water and it won't leak and it'll keep your head warm. The wide brim keeps the water from running down your neck,too.I wear a goretex boonie,is it wider than that?
I don't go into the woods in the rain without it.
Post by: ElkHunt1 on November 14, 2008, 04:05:41 PM
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Post by: demontang on November 14, 2008, 06:45:59 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 14, 2008, 06:51:52 PM
Man I have had great luck with gortex, I use it for work and out hunting and haven't got wet wearing it. I know some people say that once dirt gets into it that it will pull water though it. :dunno: I have had my danners leak but its normally because I have torn or cut them on some thing. :dunno:if ya iron it on low it will bring it back
Post by: Dadbear on November 14, 2008, 08:39:06 PM
I also use a RW product. It's the "Bucket Hat"... it's so waterproof you can fill it w/ water and it won't leak and it'll keep your head warm. The wide brim keeps the water from running down your neck,too.I wear a goretex boonie,is it wider than that?
I don't go into the woods in the rain without it.
Rasbo,
I believe that it is wider than a standard boonie hat. I think it's worth a look. :twocents:
Post by: byrdman on November 14, 2008, 09:26:05 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on November 14, 2008, 11:19:35 PM
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Post by: BlackTail on November 17, 2008, 11:34:30 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on November 17, 2008, 11:42:16 AM
Usually it's my lower arms, Legs, knees and butt. That are soaking.
Lower arms get wet because it goes down your sleeves, or soaks up into them from your hands.
But what I really can't figure is that I have a pair of Danner Canadian's that are Gortex and I treat them with NikWax plus my feet don't sweat and the bottoms of the feet and toes still get wet. I just don't understand this 100% gortex water proof they claim.
Heres the thing about Gore Tex, It is waterproof as a sheet. The problem lies in seams. Your Danners are well made boots but from wear the seams will eventually leak. A garmit with Gore Tex is only as good as its seams. Any boot that assembles a sole to a leather or synthetic upper has a prone leak point all the way around. And from constant wear, it will leak eventually.
My MT050 jacket leaks worse than my Guidewear jacket by far. In fact, the guidewear dosent leak at all. My Browning Hydro fleece also does not leak. By far the best Gore tex coats I have even owned. I also own a NF 3 layer XCR jacket that does not leak. But for 450 it better not.
Areas like your butt that sits directly into the wet will leak thru if the seams arnt perfect. And perfect seams can leak after time.
On to washing Gore Tex: The problem with using powder, standard detergents is it clogg's the "breathability". It does not interfier with the waterproofness at all. Thats why the special cleaners.
Other membranes like "dry Plus" were created because Gore tex had a petent. Dry plus, Omni tech, "precip", conduit are all attemps at cheaper forms of "Gore tex". None perform as well as most are not nearly as breathable and most break down faster.
Since the patent is up now everyone can use "Gore Tex" without the approval of the Gore Tex development team. It used to be all garmits had to meet there specs if using there product. Not no more. Anyone can produce Gore Tex now and not go thru the companies critical design criteria.
Cabelas Guidewear is better than a rubber rainsuit IMO. Just as waterproff, and breathable too. There MT050 is not. But decent.
One other thing I do is always keep Camp dry on the jackets to wick away most water before the Gore has to stop it.
Post by: foambeetle on November 17, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
a game of personal preference and balancing benefits/costs . . . I've used numerous Gore-tex products and found them the best for waterproof/breathable clothing . . . however, even striking the best compromise, it is still a compromise . . . as has been said, proper layering and activity/temp regulation are also huge factors in how it performs
Gore-tex waders take a pretty good beating and continue to provide a waterproof barrier even when totally immersed (even sitting or kneeling while submerged) . . . if the material (lamination of membrane(s) and outer fabric) is compromised (pin-holes, etc.) it will leak and these can be tough to find and repair sometimes - especially on jackets or pants with inner liners (but w/ Gore-tex waders, however, an otherwise invisible leak can be found with a little spray of rubbing alcohol on the inside) . . .
. . . w/non-Gore-tex gear (where the membrane is typically not an independent sheet of material and is rather a 'coating') finding and repairing 'pin-hole' leaks can be virtually impossible . . . flexing/creasing these materials over time often leads to their failure
For hunting, as a packable and somewhat less-expensive option (i.e., non-Gore-tex), I've had decent luck with BassPro's 'micro-lite' rain gear (I've also read good reports from others) . . . FYI, it is currently available on clearance (camo pattern change apparently) at the BassPro website
happy (dry) hunting
Post by: Intruder on November 17, 2008, 12:12:09 PM
I don't know if I truly believe a breathable material will really provide the water proof you need to stay totally dry. I know that when I fish I wear rubber/vynal gear and I don't get wet.
Post by: HawkenBob on November 17, 2008, 12:26:41 PM
No one pays 250 plus with the notion of a little leaking is permisable. My last 2 sets of breathables. (Both still going strong) Do not leak at all. One is a bootfoot and one a stocking...
Post by: MagKarl on November 17, 2008, 02:59:47 PM
Post by: Intruder on November 17, 2008, 03:08:40 PM
Waders are the best scenario if you dont think its waterproof. I can stand all day in water in my guidetech waders with Goretex and they flat dont leak. If they did they would never sell or keep selling as breathable waders.My doubts are more w/ the "breathable" aspect. I seem to get quite a bit of sweat and condensation when I get moving regardless if its a jacket, pants or waders.
No one pays 250 plus with the notion of a little leaking is permisable. My last 2 sets of breathables. (Both still going strong) Do not leak at all. One is a bootfoot and one a stocking...
I'm on my 3rd pair of Gortex waders. It just seems to me that over time.... all Gortex fails. But when push comes to shove I don't trust it. I keep buying it though, so they must have convinced me of something :DOH:
Post by: HawkenBob on November 17, 2008, 03:39:50 PM
XCR GT is by far more breathable. But by father its more expensive too...and I havent seen a hunting garmet made with XCR yet?
Like Magcarl said, as long as its Cabelas, its 100% replacable no questions asked. I believe the biggest problem is the fabric of the MT050 gear. The brushed fabric holds more water which in turn "tests" the GT even more.
guide wear is 600 denier nylon, already very water resistant. Couple the 2 and youve got a serious wet gear garmet.
Heres a good question for everyone: If its raining hard what difference does the fabrics sound make? The rain falling in the forest should overcome that shouldent it?
Post by: mrgoodwrench on November 18, 2008, 06:19:03 AM
Post by: C-Money on November 18, 2008, 06:33:08 AM
Post by: MagKarl on November 18, 2008, 09:07:29 AM
Post by: swanny on November 18, 2008, 09:29:44 AM
As long as you are properly layered with non-cotton garments, you should stay dry. You may feel wet inside and your shirt may be soaked, but you yourself will not be wet. Wicking fabrics take the moisture away from your skin and also dry much quicker than cotton. I might also suggest that if you are sweating really bad underneath your GoreTex shell, don't layer as much. Chances are that when you are hiking to your spot in Washington state it's uphill, so your going to start sweating the second you step out of your truck.
Post by: rem/sav300 on November 18, 2008, 04:06:58 PM