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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: HHPro on January 26, 2014, 10:50:08 PM

Title: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: HHPro on January 26, 2014, 10:50:08 PM: Has anyone seen or heard of anyone seeing whitetails around Cle Elum and Ellensburg?
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Post by: _TONY_ on January 26, 2014, 10:52:58 PM: I've never seen any, or heard of any around Cle elum...
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Post by: HHPro on January 26, 2014, 10:55:15 PM: Seen a doe about 4 miles east of Cle Elum tonight.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: _TONY_ on January 26, 2014, 10:57:48 PM: Really? That's crazy...
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: HHPro on January 26, 2014, 11:02:58 PM: She suprised me I was stunned trying to get my camera on my phone.She was a few hundred yards from the river I will be trying to film her.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: PolarBear on January 26, 2014, 11:19:13 PM: 25 years ago when we still hunted Teanaway there were a few whitetails in the valley.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: HHPro on January 27, 2014, 06:16:12 AM: I have always heard the stories of people seeing a few here and there but never ran across one myself.
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Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 06:25:58 AM: Couple around the gap into the canyon, and across from that wrecking yard before the gap and seen a couple around the Taylor bridge area.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Watimberghost on January 27, 2014, 06:27:22 AM: Never seen any, but 10 years ago i'd have said theres no moose in the teanaway either
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Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 06:27:52 AM: or wolves for that matter
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: adamR on January 27, 2014, 06:32:51 AM: What would be the downfall of introducing white tails into mule deer areas? I've always wondered why the game dept wouldn't just release them in places like cle Elum, the Nile, and like the wenas. These seem like perfect whitetail habitats.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: danderson on January 27, 2014, 06:33:21 AM: There was a white tail Doe struck and killed on I-90 by the scale house a few years ago
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: grundy53 on January 27, 2014, 06:48:30 AM: Quote from: adamR on January 27, 2014, 06:32:51 AM
What would be the downfall of introducing white tails into mule deer areas? I've always wondered why the game dept wouldn't just release them in places like cle Elum, the Nile, and like the wenas. These seem like perfect whitetail habitats.
They compete for the same food. Especially during winter. Whitetails are more aggressive and prolific breeders. Mule deer are having a hard enough time they don't need anymore added competition.

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Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 27, 2014, 06:51:48 AM: Quote from: grundy53 on January 27, 2014, 06:48:30 AM
Quote from: adamR on January 27, 2014, 06:32:51 AM
What would be the downfall of introducing white tails into mule deer areas? I've always wondered why the game dept wouldn't just release them in places like cle Elum, the Nile, and like the wenas. These seem like perfect whitetail habitats.
They compete for the same food. Especially during winter. Whitetails are more aggressive and prolific breeders. Mule deer are having a hard enough time they don't need anymore added competition.

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Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 07:20:13 AM: :yeah: :bdid:
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Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2014, 07:38:42 AM: Whitetails in the Entiat. Wolves and moose in the Teanaway, I think someone posted pics of a whitetail in the Yak canyon in the recent past too. They're prolific breeders and are headed west. Not surprised I guess....it had to happen eventually.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: 7mmfan on January 27, 2014, 07:48:34 AM: There are whitetail does and whitetail bucks between E-burg and Weimer in the Canyon. I've seen does with fawns multiple times along the river, usually right there below the mouth of Wilson Creek. I've seen 2 small whitetail bucks across from lower Weimer wall above Luma. Found a shed while fishing the Yak one day that by all appearances was a decent 3 pt whitetail with about a 3.5" eye guard. 3 pts are always hard to tell for sure but it was a low and long antler with shorter points, not an up and out antler like a mule deer.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: PolarBear on January 27, 2014, 07:48:50 AM: Many moons ago we were buying supplies (beer) at the little store up the Teanaway Valley Rd. when one of the local farmers rolled up on his tractor. I started b.s.ing with him about the little whitetail buck that we saw on his land. He told us that there were a few of them around and that the locals were on a mission to shoot every one of them. He invited us over so we followed him back to his farm where he showed up pictures of some of the whitetails that were on his place and some that his family had shot. He wanted us to shoot any that we saw if we wanted to fill our tags. We didn't see any bucks that or the next trip but did see a couple of does. None of the bucks that they had killed were very big but they had been shooting them for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Eli346 on January 27, 2014, 07:53:21 AM: Seems like any time the whitetails move in the mule deer go on the decline. We have enough whitetails in this state but need to help the mule deer population.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: HHPro on January 27, 2014, 08:28:22 AM: I wouldn't mind finding a decent buck during hunting season.This doe was running with a decent two point miley.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: buckfvr on January 27, 2014, 08:47:39 AM: Blue tongue is a dominate factor in whitetail survival as they move into that region.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: westside bull on January 27, 2014, 08:58:48 AM: Last summer I seen a whitetail doe on the river off I 90 in july by the old golf course closer to ellensburg!
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 09:31:37 AM: Blue tongue has helped the muleys out substantially in certain parts of the state by hammering the whitetail population.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: tonymiller7 on January 27, 2014, 01:14:53 PM: Doesn't surprise me a bit, when I was a kid a saw a few by Riffe Lake. Best we could figure is that NW Trek used to transplant them around when they'd get too many. This was 20-25 years ago, I no longer hunt that area so I don't know if they're still there, probably thoroughly mixed with the blacktail population there now. Additionally I've seen some bucks come out of there that had racks with some whitetail looking characteristics.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: grundy53 on January 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM: Quote from: tonymiller7 on January 27, 2014, 01:14:53 PM
Doesn't surprise me a bit, when I was a kid a saw a few by Riffe Lake. Best we could figure is that NW Trek used to transplant them around when they'd get too many. This was 20-25 years ago, I no longer hunt that area so I don't know if they're still there, probably thoroughly mixed with the blacktail population there now. Additionally I've seen some bucks come out of there that had racks with some whitetail looking characteristics.
Could be Columbian whitetail.

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Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: tonymiller7 on January 28, 2014, 10:20:24 AM: Not even close to the Columbia River and they were normal sized deer, not suitcase deer. One was mixed in with a bunch of blacktails too.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: boneaddict on January 28, 2014, 10:22:09 AM: Making more muledeer huh? :)
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: grundy53 on January 28, 2014, 01:46:39 PM: Quote from: tonymiller7 on January 28, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
Not even close to the Columbia River and they were normal sized deer, not suitcase deer. One was mixed in with a bunch of blacktails too.

Riffe lake isn't that far for a deer.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Band on January 28, 2014, 02:21:58 PM: Quote from: grundy53 on January 28, 2014, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: tonymiller7 on January 28, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
Not even close to the Columbia River and they were normal sized deer, not suitcase deer. One was mixed in with a bunch of blacktails too.

Riffe lake isn't that far for a deer.
:yeah: Riffe Lake is closer to Columbian whitetail populations than any other whitetail populations.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 28, 2014, 02:51:09 PM: Wherever the whitetails move in, they are capable of exploding into a herd. Amazing to see the population rebound in Lincoln County in the past 10 years. Rough on a few pockets of mule deer though.

It would fail to surprise me to see whitetail in any eastside county...save for a few.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Maverick on January 28, 2014, 03:01:20 PM: I really enjoy being in area that has both Muleys and whitetail around. I havnt seen any issues with both being in the same areas.

I hate blue tounge with a passion. Every year bucks I watch during the summer die from it right before bow season. I really wish someone would come up with a way to prevent it. Like a feed block with medicine it or something! I'd buy a bunch of them every year.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: tonymiller7 on January 28, 2014, 03:56:03 PM: Quote from: Band on January 28, 2014, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: grundy53 on January 28, 2014, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: tonymiller7 on January 28, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
Not even close to the Columbia River and they were normal sized deer, not suitcase deer. One was mixed in with a bunch of blacktails too.

Riffe lake isn't that far for a deer.
:yeah: Riffe Lake is closer to Columbian whitetail populations than any other whitetail populations.

NW Trek is alot closer than Longview. Look at the range of the Columbia Whitetail, and it's nowhere close to Morton, plus they'd have to cross the Cowlitz, which I know is doable. What's more likely? Like I said this wasn't last week, it was during the 80s and at the same time NWT was downsizing their turkey and whitetail deer populations. Suddenly there were turkeys around Onalaska and whitetails above Morton. Odd coincidence maybe.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: PolarBear on January 28, 2014, 11:36:48 PM: I've seen Columbian whitetail all the way up in the Clearwater area. Matlock use to have a couple but I think they were poached out like te rest of the deer.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: bankwalker on January 28, 2014, 11:44:16 PM: Quote from: PolarBear on January 28, 2014, 11:36:48 PM
I've seen Columbian whitetail all the way up in the Clearwater area. Matlock use to have a couple but I think they were poached out like te rest of the deer.

I've seen a few very big, very suspicious, retreating white tails standing straight up in the air. Far far higher and bigger than the average blacktail deer tail. :dunno:
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: PolarBear on January 28, 2014, 11:59:42 PM: The whitetails (I have been hunting them since I was 6 years old, so I know what one looks like :chuckle:) that I saw around Matlock were up by Haven Lake around 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: irishevox on January 29, 2014, 07:32:59 AM: I've seen mule deer but never whitetail out there
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: gvan on January 29, 2014, 03:46:05 PM: they have been up in the 335 for along time seen 'em 20 years ago not many but they were there!Not suprised to here they may be multiplying
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 29, 2014, 06:42:32 PM: It's been a long time since I have seen a whitetail around here. I would have to say around 15 years or so. Now black tails I see on a regular basis. I know a buddy of mine seems to find a few whitey sheds up around the elk heights area.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: Pinetar on January 29, 2014, 06:54:02 PM: There's a really nice 5x5 whitetail in the canyon right outside of Eburg this winter hanging out with 4 mule deer does. Last year he was with two whitetail does.
Title: Re: Whitetails around Cle Elum
Post by: HHPro on January 29, 2014, 06:54:43 PM: Quote from: teanawayslayer on January 29, 2014, 06:42:32 PM
It's been a long time since I have seen a whitetail around here. I would have to say around 15 years or so. Now black tails I see on a regular basis. I know a buddy of mine seems to find a few whitey sheds up around the elk heights area.
Not saying It's not possible but I would think a blacktail and a whitetail shed would and could be mistaken for one another.I also think well over half the deer running around this area is a blacktail mule deer cross.