Post by: dustysags on February 10, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on February 10, 2014, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: quadrafire on February 10, 2014, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 10, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
No good reason to wait.
Any thoughts on how testosterone affects muscle and bone growth during early developmental stages?
Post by: Old Dog on February 10, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
One Veterinarian's Opinion
© 2005 Chris Zink DVM, PhD, DACVP
Orthopedic Considerations
A study by Salmeri et al in 1991 found that bitches spayed at 7 weeks grew significantly taller than those spayed at 7 months, who were taller than those not spayed (or presumably spayed after the growth plates had closed). A study of 1444 Golden Retrievers performed in 1998 and 1999 also found bitches and dogs spayed and neutered at less than a year of age were significantly taller than those spayed or neutered at more than a year of age. The sex hormones, by communicating with a number of other growth-related hormones, promote the closure of the growth plates at puberty, so the bones of dogs or bitches neutered or spayed before puberty continue to grow. Dogs that have been spayed or neutered well before puberty can frequently be identified by their longer limbs, lighter bone structure, narrow chests and narrow skulls. This abnormal growth frequently results in significant alterations in body proportions and particularly the lengths (and therefore weights) of certain bones relative to others. For example, if the femur has achieved its genetically determined normal length at 8 months when a dog gets spayed or neutered, but the tibia, which normally stops growing at 12 to 14 months of age continues to grow, then an abnormal angle may develop at the stifle. In addition, with the extra growth, the lower leg below the stifle likely becomes heavier (because it is longer), and may cause increased stresses on the cranial cruciate ligament. In addition, sex hormones are critical for achieving peak bone density. These structural and physiological alterations may be the reason why at least one recent study showed that spayed and neutered dogs had a higher incidence of CCL rupture.
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Dr. Zink is the author of Peak Performance: Coaching the Canine Athlete
Post by: Curly on February 10, 2014, 01:22:07 PM
Post by: good2go on February 10, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
Take a crate to moms and tell her not to let them out together. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal. I know it's hard to control them when love is in the air but it is possible.
Post by: KopperBuck on February 10, 2014, 01:39:27 PM
Post by: wildweeds on February 10, 2014, 01:42:02 PM
Post by: dustysags on February 10, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on February 10, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
yes i was thinking about the concrete slab, just didn't really want to lock the guy up all day. I just pondering the be free without nuts or locked up with em? I plan on neutering him at around a year just wondered if you guys had any say in 6 months vs. a year for a timeline or if it matters to much.
I have a decent size dog run along the side of my house for my two dogs. It is covered and works out nice. They can get up, walk around, stretch, get a drink of water and be comfortable while I am at work. I also have a fenced yard so when I get home they are let out and they can play with each other. I also get up early for the gym so they are out in the yard for close to two hours before I go to work. It gives them some time to play, burn some energy, pee, poop whatever before being locked up. They are both high energy labs
Post by: AspenBud on February 12, 2014, 10:44:35 AM
Someone will likely haul out a study about Goldens that were spayed/neutered too young and all of the cancers they got. The problem with that is Goldens are cancer magnets at the best of times so keep that in mind.
Edit: whoops, the study already got listed.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 12, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
If I want a neutered dog, I do it early. I don't want the habits of a nut hanger.
You mean the owner right?
Post by: Special T on February 12, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
Concrete slab and chainlink kennel with roof , lock on the latch and two latches,one down low and one just above center.No reason that your wife can't lock the dog in the kennell everyday while she works and let him out when she gets home.
Apparenlty youve never seen a dog knocked up through a chain link fence! :chuckle:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 12, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
Concrete slab and chainlink kennel with roof , lock on the latch and two latches,one down low and one just above center.No reason that your wife can't lock the dog in the kennell everyday while she works and let him out when she gets home.
Apparenlty youve never seen a dog knocked up through a chain link fence! :chuckle:
Heard some accounts of Marines in the Phillippines being able to make it happen through the fence around the base while on patrol. :chuckle:
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 12, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
Concrete slab and chainlink kennel with roof , lock on the latch and two latches,one down low and one just above center.No reason that your wife can't lock the dog in the kennell everyday while she works and let him out when she gets home.
Apparenlty youve never seen a dog knocked up through a chain link fence! :chuckle:
Heard some accounts of Marines in the Phillippines being able to make it happen through the fence around the base while on patrol. :chuckle:
:lol4: its called improvise, adapt & overcome :tup:
Post by: wildweeds on February 12, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
Concrete slab and chainlink kennel with roof , lock on the latch and two latches,one down low and one just above center.No reason that your wife can't lock the dog in the kennell everyday while she works and let him out when she gets home.
Apparenlty youve never seen a dog knocked up through a chain link fence! :chuckle:
Post by: mossback91 on February 12, 2014, 05:37:05 PM
I have always believed in waiting till the male is mature for muscle and bone structure, but I ain't no vet! :)
Post by: KopperBuck on February 17, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
If I want a neutered dog, I do it early. I don't want the habits of a nut hanger.
You mean the owner right?
HA! Exactly, just ask my wife!
Post by: Birdguy on February 17, 2014, 03:50:19 PM
Dusty, that pup of yours should be a stud when developed, I would hold out if I were you but I certainly understand your situation and appreciate your desire to have a good tenant to leave with others. A good/responsible pet owner :tup:.
How is he doing? Putting on weight yet? Are you planning on making the APLA meeting in March? If so maybe we can meet there, I would love to see the pup.
Post by: L-ofalab on February 23, 2014, 05:57:43 AM
Post by: dustysags on February 27, 2014, 01:17:26 PM
Post by: REHJWA on February 27, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
Good luck on your trip.
Post by: Birdguy on February 27, 2014, 05:20:38 PM