Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 10, 2014, 09:07:12 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on February 10, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 11, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
Post by: REHJWA on February 11, 2014, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: C-Money on February 11, 2014, 08:40:56 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 11, 2014, 10:40:20 AM
Are there fences in you area where the deer duck under?Billions of em but they're not bald spots, they're spot spots.
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on February 11, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
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Post by: jackelope on February 11, 2014, 02:35:26 PM
:tup:
Post by: singleshot12 on February 11, 2014, 02:51:46 PM
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Post by: REHJWA on February 11, 2014, 08:13:23 PM
Post by: bigmacc on February 11, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Her coats a diffent shade too... wonder if she's got a little exotic blood in her?
I was thinking the same thing,you wonder if someone in her bloodline maybe got tangled up with one of those axis deer or some other farmed exotic in the past.
Post by: Pygmy on February 11, 2014, 09:21:20 PM
Southwest Washington - escaped Fallow deer
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=10978.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=10978.0)
Fallow deer ranch in Northeastern Washington - Selkirk Mtn's
http://schuermanranch.com/ (http://schuermanranch.com/)
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 05:26:06 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 12, 2014, 07:07:23 AM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 09:17:22 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 12, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: Pygmy on February 12, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period
How many Fallow deer does it take to establish Fallow deer genetics in a Mule deer herd with their offspring? I believe the answer is one (1).
How many times does a Fallow deer need to mate with a Mule deer in order to pass on it's genetics to the offspring? I believe the answer is once.
Will the offspring pass those genetics off to future offspring? Yes.
Do genetics transfer within larger groups of deer? Yes.
'Period' is an assumption and not a definitive fact.
Post by: Dave of TDG-Farms on February 12, 2014, 12:30:33 PM
Period...As I said I have fed this particular mulie doe (winter,spring,summer,and fall) for 7 years and her offspring are the ones with the same spots along the spine as the one posted. I spend countless hours in the woods around this area and guess what...no Axis deer or other exotics have been seen by me or talked about by the locals. I have even seen this doe bred by a big 3x3 a couple years ago in my back yard. :dunno: So I'm gonna steal a favorite line from your beloved pres..."If you like your exotic theory, you can keep it. Period" :hello:
Well seeing how the offspring of an animal only care over 29% of their parents characteristic genetics, with the rest coming from the grand parents. It is possible the doe is the result of a cross. Thus making all her kids have the pattern... oh I guess I should add Period. :chuckle:
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
And Billy Joe's cousin's neighbor's grandpa seen one in the Clockum does not count...PERIOD ( My new favorite saying) :IBCOOL:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 12, 2014, 01:13:28 PM
There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period
The Schuerman ranch that Pygmy linked above is less than 10 miles east of Colville off highway 20 and is most definitely in Stevens County. And their website pictures show pictures of Fallow deer and people who have harvested Fallow deer and a price list for hunting Fallow deer. I'd say there are or were at one time "exotics" in Stevens county.
Not saying this deer is a crossbreed, just that the possibility is there.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: Pygmy on February 12, 2014, 01:59:29 PM
So this Fallow deer escaped the ranch 10 miles from Colville then traveled 50 miles across the Huckleberry Range and bred my tame doe or her grandparents in the back yard... Possible?? You guys REALLY crack me up..Period... Gotta go now and look for that Grizzly/ Black bear cross I've heard about up at Jeb's Uncle's neighbor's property.They do cross-breed..I saw it on the internet. :sry:
Everyone has heard about what goes on in that part of the state...with all species :yike: - exclamation point. :chuckle:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 12, 2014, 02:24:42 PM
So this Fallow deer escaped the ranch 10 miles from Colville then traveled 50 miles across the Huckleberry Range and bred my tame doe or her grandparents in the back yard... Possible?? You guys REALLY crack me up..Period... Gotta go now and look for that Grizzly/ Black bear cross I've heard about up at Jeb's Uncle's neighbor's property.They do cross-breed..I saw it on the internet. :sry:
I wasn't saying anything of the kind. Just pointing out that when you said there were no exotics in Stevens Country, you were wrong.
As for cross breeding, it can happen. A reason Sika deer are banned from Washington State is that they can cross breed with elk.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 02:27:08 PM
There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.PeriodOk smart guy then what is your explanation. Cross bred with an exotic makes sense & is entirely possible. You posted the pic asking people what could be the cause.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 02:38:41 PM
And turkeyfeather..I was NOT the one to post the picture asking what could be the cause...That was MrMykiss. By the way I would ask MrMykiss where he took the photo. Looks like somewhere in the sagebrush. So this Sitka/Fallow deer that bred my backyard doe travelled across eastern wash to breed MrMykiss' doe.. Busy guy..".Entirely possible".. You guys crack me up Period
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 02:43:04 PM
Sitka.. Guess I should have said Wild Free Ranging exotics in Stevens County... The odds of it happening are well...the same as Obama telling the truth.. PeriodMy mistake on you posting the pic. However you avoided the question.
And turkeyfeather..I was NOT the one to post the picture asking what could be the cause...That was MrMykiss. By the way I would ask MrMykiss where he took the photo. Looks like somewhere in the sagebrush. So this Sitka/Fallow deer that bred my backyard doe travelled across eastern wash to breed MrMykiss' doe.. Busy guy..".Entirely possible".. You guys crack me up Period
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 12, 2014, 02:58:44 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
I had already posted my theory (explanation) on the first page.. It helps to read all the posts. Thanks and have a nice dayOh I saw what you said. Genetics. That is exactly what I think. Genetics from another species. Or maybe it was Aliens hmmmm....... :tinfoil:
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 03:17:42 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn :hello:It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.
Post by: stickbuck on February 12, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period
Since 1997 when I started bowhunting the Colville area, I have seen these same markings on 15-20 whitetail does in the area I hunt. I've only seen the the striped spots during the early season as they walk directly under my treestand. Definitely an interesting thing to see. Definitely not a cross breed trait as I know people in adjacent units that have seen it as well.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 03:37:17 PM
It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn :hello:It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.
Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying PERIOD And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes PERIOD
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 03:41:41 PM
I thought you were out. :chuckle: Well come back and let us know when you come up with an idea of how it happens then. Bye-bye :hello:It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn :hello:It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.
Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying PERIOD And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes PERIOD
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on February 12, 2014, 03:43:50 PM
I thought you were out. :chuckle: Well come back and let us know when you come up with an idea of how it happens then. Bye-bye :hello:It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn :hello:It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.
Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying PERIOD And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes PERIOD
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person. Ouch :sry: :sry:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 12, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
It's slow and I'm bored so I posted a couple of pics of a freakin doe with kinda cool spots... :dunno:
Post by: singleshot12 on February 12, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period
How many Fallow deer does it take to establish Fallow deer genetics in a Mule deer herd with their offspring? I believe the answer is one (1).
How many times does a Fallow deer need to mate with a Mule deer in order to pass on it's genetics to the offspring? I believe the answer is once.
Will the offspring pass those genetics off to future offspring? Yes.
Do genetics transfer within larger groups of deer? Yes.
'Period' is an assumption and not a definitive fact.
:yeah: Very likely and very possible period! Mule deer just don't get rows of spots on their back out of the blue
Post by: Pygmy on February 12, 2014, 04:10:43 PM
That's it. I'm considering that doe to be an exotic and I'm gonna find her and shoot her this weekend!! I'm pulling names off this thread to testify at my trial...
I got your back;D
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
OMG boys!!I have been bored and feeling a little feisty all day. Get's the blood going. :chuckle:
It's slow and I'm bored so I posted a couple of pics of a freakin doe with kinda cool spots... :dunno:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 12, 2014, 05:47:34 PM
Sitka.. Guess I should have said Wild Free Ranging exotics in Stevens County... The odds of it happening are well...the same as Obama telling the truth.. Period
I won't argue with your odds. I never bet against the house. But escaped farm animals is a fairly serious problem all over the country. In some cases the result is the spread of disease such as Chronic Wasting Disease, Tuberculosis, and Brucellosis. But it can also cause cross breeding and introduction of exotic genes into wild deer and elk populations. It's actually a pretty big worry in places like Texas that has a big exotic hunting industry along with a huge whitetail deer population. The other problem with exotic escapees is if they get established they can be hard to get rid of as is the case with wild boars. Or they can displace a local native game population that doesn't compete as well.
Here's a list of some game farm escapes that one guy has compiled and it's not a complete list by any means. And besides game, fish farms are just as guilty. There is evidence of farmed Atlantic Salmon escapees getting a foothold here on the West Coast.
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2013/09/cwd-cervid-captive-livestock-escapes.html (http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2013/09/cwd-cervid-captive-livestock-escapes.html)
Here's a story from Maine about escaped Fallow Deer.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/14/news/midcoast/nobleboro-deer-farm-owner-disputes-claims-about-escaped-animals/?ref=relatedBox (http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/14/news/midcoast/nobleboro-deer-farm-owner-disputes-claims-about-escaped-animals/?ref=relatedBox)
Now I don't know to what extent exotics were raised in Eastern Washington before the ban, but if there were more ranches with them besides the one Pygmy linked to, it's very possible one or more escaped and bred with local deer. And who knows where any hybridized deer ended up?
Hopefully you are right and there aren't any, period.
Post by: wadu1 on February 12, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
You're spot on, and neatAre there fences in you area where the deer duck under?Billions of em but they're not bald spots, they're spot spots.
Post by: huntnnw on February 12, 2014, 10:12:32 PM