Post by: kbrowne14 on February 12, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
It seems to me like a good deal, Heavy barrel Long actions are hard to find. With the right load, I think this could be a shooter. What do you guys think?
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 12, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Post by: starbailey on February 12, 2014, 09:35:34 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 12, 2014, 09:36:42 PM
Either of the .30 Cal would be a good choice. :tup:I'd go with the 7mm ;)
Post by: Bean Counter on February 12, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 12, 2014, 10:02:22 PM
That's odd--no .308? :dunno:They are all long action.
Post by: Bean Counter on February 12, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 12, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 12, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
I'll be going with the 300 win mag if i get it. I am looking for a long range shooter that will give me some kind of consistancy to practice with. I cannot afford anything more expensive, I cannot find anything else on the market that compares.
A .300 Win with the 230 Berger with run with the Edges at distance.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 12, 2014, 11:26:27 PM
I'll be going with the 300 win mag if i get it. I am looking for a long range shooter that will give me some kind of consistancy to practice with. I cannot afford anything more expensive, I cannot find anything else on the market that compares.
A .300 Win with the 230 Berger with run with the Edges at distance.
I hope they used 1-10 twist in the 300wm.
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 12, 2014, 11:33:43 PM
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 12, 2014, 11:34:59 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 13, 2014, 06:11:13 AM
Post by: grundy53 on February 13, 2014, 06:18:09 AM
I like the idea of the Berger's, but this is going to be used as a hunting rifle as well. Berger makes a hunting bullet, but I don't think I like the idea of a round that is designed to break apart and put lead in the meat. They don't make a 230 gr hunting bullet. The biggest they make is 210. I will be shooting 200 grain accubonds as well as the 208 grain A-max for targets.I shoot 200 grain accubonds with both of my .300 wm's. Both guns love them and they perform great on elk and deer.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2014, 06:46:09 AM
Sounds like a great long range rifle, let us know how it shoots. :tup:
Post by: mrolen on February 13, 2014, 07:52:56 AM
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 13, 2014, 08:45:58 AM
I looked into the Savage Long Range Hunter, but it is more money than I want to spend, and it appears to have a standard magnum sporter barrel. I want at least a heavy varmint contour. And to be honest, I want a remington 700. There is a reason why the military and nearly every single precision gun action is based of a 700.
I was sold on the idea of Long range shooting when I watched my father in law drop and elk in her tracks at 800 yards. That seemed impossible until i saw it happen. It really increases your odds if you can wave your stick at something that far away.
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2014, 07:22:29 PM
Post by: yorketransport on February 13, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
I looked into the Savage Long Range Hunter, but it is more money than I want to spend, and it appears to have a standard magnum sporter barrel. I want at least a heavy varmint contour. And to be honest, I want a remington 700. There is a reason why the military and nearly every single precision gun action is based of a 700.
The Savage LRH is a great gun which typically shoots extremely well. I had a 6.5x284 barrel and a 7mm Mag barrel off of a LRH and they were both .5 MOA or better shooters. That's about what I expect from a Savage factory barrel. I haven't been that lucky with Remingtons. The 700 has twice the aftermarket support though if you want to change anything down the road.
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Post by: buckfvr on February 13, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
At 650 bucks, they took something off the table. Id be more about the aluminum bedding block on the Savage...........
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 13, 2014, 10:01:29 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 13, 2014, 10:08:20 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2014, 10:22:05 PM
The older sendero's are one of my favorites as well. A lot of the rest of the Remington stuff can go in the trash :tup::yeah:
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 13, 2014, 11:01:46 PM
I would like to see this thing on the market for a little while before I buy the thing. I am a little concerned about what they skimped on, why is the thing so cheap. If you compare it to the sendero sf II, which I could buy for $1100. The gun is not stainless steel, $100. It does not have a fluted barrel, $50. It does not have a HS precision stock, $100. It is not coming out of a custom shop. I see some savings in the materials used, and this is going to be a mass production rifle unlike the sendero. But I would like to see what its capable of before I buy one. It needs to have a reputation of being a sub-moa gun.
Post by: coop2424 on February 13, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
I really want one. Any of you guys seen one in person? I really want to know why they're "only" $700. Seems cheap for a rifle referred to as a long range rifle.
I checked one out today at the post falls cabelas. They were already sold out of the 7 mag and only had the 300 win left. I will tell you for the price I am not sure you can beat it. It is a heavier gun with the heavy barrel and probably would not want to be hiking far with it but I am sure will be a good shooter. They had a regular Sps 300 win in the used guns for the same price with the crappy stock. The long range has the better stock the x mark trigger and the bdl floor plate with the heavy barrel. The one I handled the action seemed tight and defiantly is much nicer than the other 700's in the same price range. If they would of had the 7mag I probably would of been walking out with it.
Post by: coop2424 on February 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on February 13, 2014, 11:31:17 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 14, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
High Mountain Hunting Supply, Wenatchee 509-665-9362
What kind of accurizing do you guys do? Do you do action blueprinting etc?
Post by: mrolen on February 14, 2014, 07:48:29 AM
High Mountain Hunting Supply, Wenatchee 509-665-9362
What kind of accurizing do you guys do? Do you do action blueprinting etc?
yes I blueprint the action. on a rifle we are going to reuse the original barrel it get pulled the receiver get faced lugs lapped and bolt face trued. then we correct headspace and recrown. that is the standard "accurizing" we do on factory sporter barreled actions.
Post by: JLS on February 14, 2014, 07:54:57 AM
Not trying to hijack anyones thread but where is a good gun shop that will do some accurizing around eastern Washington. I have a Remington 700 BDL in .308 and would like it to shoot a little better than it does. I would just like to have some custom work done like a clip instead of the drop plate and bedding my stock and a precision scope mounting... Thanks Everyone!
Bedding the stock is a pretty straight forward do it yourself project. I installed pillars and bedded with Devcon for under a $100, and the majority of that was buying the bit for drilling out the action screw holes to install the pillars.
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2014, 08:26:35 AM
Am I mistaken that the primary advantage of a heavier barrel is the ability to better resist barrel vibrations due to heat?
With a hunting rifle, I care almost nothing about a third shot, and I care very little about a second shot. If I can't make a vital first shot 90%+ of the time, I won't take it.
My idea of group size for a hunting rifle is this: shoot one shot. Take the target home. Come back another day and shoot a second shot. Repeat. After the third day measure the group size.
I'd much rather carry a lighter rifle that can get me further away from roads or higher on the mountain than a 10+ pound rifle that groups better for the third shot. :dunno:
Post by: mossback91 on February 14, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
If they shoot worth a damn that's a deal!
As for the hunting rifle it depends on the type of hunting your doing......good pack and a heavy rifle....spending your day behind a spotter in an area where longshots are the norm? Perfect!! Plus who doesn't like spending the day at the range slingin lead into a tight group downrange? Especially if your going to be using the rifle for long shots....going to need to shoot it a lot more then one round a trip!
Thick woods? jumping bucks in their beds? 30-30 time! or my new favorite rifle 45-70!! :chuckle:
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 14, 2014, 07:15:42 PM
In order to be confident with shooting out to 700 or longer with a cold bore shot, you have to have an intimate knowledge of your rifle, your ballistics, and matching them with the conditions. My point is, I don't care about the 3rd shot either, but I won't make the cold bore if I can't practice, and I can't practice reliably if my rifle heats up and starts shooting erratic.
I have another rifle when the places I'm hunting are a little thicker.
Post by: huntnphool on February 14, 2014, 09:47:40 PM
Post by: jasnt on February 14, 2014, 11:42:41 PM
One shot a day are you kidding me??? You dont get it? You must not be a long range guy. Or maybe you dont enjoy shooting, idk??? 10 pound rifle? That's a light weight in my book. Moat my rifles are close to 13 loaded. But ill guarantee it hasn't slowed me down. And id bet I know exactly where my cold bore hits out to 500 yards. Oh and the 2nd,3rd,4th....you get the idea.
Op dont let anyone slow you down! Just cause some people can't handle it or think it's crazy. Not everyone is in the same league. The impossible to one guy is just the first step for the next guy.
Still can't get over that...one shot a day???? That has to be a typo!!!
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2014, 07:40:54 AM
Still can't get over that...one shot a day???? That has to be a typo!!!
Pretty sure what Bob33 was saying is that you won't be taking shot after shot after shot in a hunting situation so why take into consideration how a heated up barrel performs in a hunting situation. I agree with that if that's the point he was trying to make. How a heated up barrel performs is not going to come into play in 9999/10,000 big game hunting situations. You do need to know where your cold barrel shot is going to hit.
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 15, 2014, 09:56:28 AM
Post by: jasnt on February 15, 2014, 10:27:34 AM
A heavy barrel is not just favored because of heat. It is more rigid has less barrel whip and takes longer to become heat stressed or distempered.
If your worried only about a cold bore then shoot once, then allow to cool to ambient temp and shoot again. My big game rifle is a 300wm and when im in the mood it is also my varmit gun. Its killed many coyotes and quite a few other varmits. I can think of many different scenarios where a second or third shot would be needed. Just my opinions
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2014, 11:36:04 AM
Post by: jasnt on February 15, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2014, 10:16:41 PM
My rem 770 has shot 1.57" at 500 so I'd bet with a little work it will shoot great. You may have to readjust the river and maybe lap your lugs and bed it and I'd bet 1/2moa if feed hand loads. I've gotten plenty of factory rifles to shoot 1/2 moa with hand loads
770?
Post by: jasnt on February 16, 2014, 02:03:18 PM
Post by: mrolen on February 17, 2014, 05:34:32 AM
Yup rem 770. cheapest rifle you can get. About $400 with the scope. I floated the barrel. Lapped the lugs and adjusted the trigger. Its got just over 4200 rounds down it now, accuracy has sluffed a little since its prime but still shoots beter than most shooters can.
Im surprised the magazine latch aka the stock has not broken yet. but when it does good luck finding a replacement! remington dropped all connections with that red head.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 18, 2014, 06:26:52 AM
My rem 770 has shot 1.57" at 500 so I'd bet with a little work it will shoot great. You may have to readjust the river and maybe lap your lugs and bed it and I'd bet 1/2moa if feed hand loads. I've gotten plenty of factory rifles to shoot 1/2 moa with hand loadsPeople spend thousands and wait months for a rifle that may shoot in the .3's
Post by: Taco280AI on February 18, 2014, 06:33:11 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 18, 2014, 06:34:36 AM
That's odd--no .308? :dunno:
My thought immediately, as well.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 18, 2014, 06:35:31 AM
Doh!That's odd--no .308? :dunno:They are all long action.
Post by: jasnt on February 18, 2014, 09:21:05 AM
What scope are you using for those 500 yard groups?vortex crossfire 6x18x44
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2014, 09:30:36 AM
VoWhat scope are you using for those 500 yard groups?vortex crossfire 6x18x44
So you've got $400 wrapped up in a rifle and a scope that shoots .3 at 500 yards? That's impressive.
Post by: jasnt on February 18, 2014, 09:53:23 AM
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Post by: kbrowne14 on November 02, 2014, 11:57:30 AM
If you have any other questions let me know and I will try and answer it the best I can.
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Post by: ghosthunter on November 16, 2014, 10:50:32 PM
The 300 is too much recoil for me.
I have a 700 VTR in .223 and I like it.
I am a left handed shooter but have shot right handed guns all my life.
Following along.