Post by: diggie-d on February 19, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on February 19, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 19, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 19, 2014, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: rtspring on February 19, 2014, 01:38:26 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 19, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Well past a 100 :chuckle:the new age of bow hunters.
Post by: jrebel on February 19, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
1: 80 mule deer buck
2: 76 on a mule deer doe
Both dead.....all conditions were right and I practice well beyond those ranges. The majority of my deer over my 26 year archery career have been under 40. Part of taking long shots if having the discipline to know when it is appropriate and when it is not, assuming you practice at those ranges.
Flame on....
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 19, 2014, 01:50:38 PM
Anyone who shoots over 47 yards is not a true sportsman or bowhunter... it is unethical and would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave. Howard Hill too.... Geesh.... :bash: :bash:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on February 19, 2014, 01:55:50 PM
Anyone who shoots over 47 yards is not a true sportsman or bowhunter... it is unethical and would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave. Howard Hill too.... Geesh.... :bash: :bash:
Both Fred Bear and Howard Hill were known to take long shots at animals. And their equipment was nowhere near as good as the equipment of today. Ben Pearson made a movie of shooting a javalina at over 100 yards. Fred Bear commented it was one of the most impressive displays of skill he'd ever seen. Not sure that's the same as rolling over in your grave :dunno:
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
Post by: Song Dog on February 19, 2014, 02:01:42 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 19, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
They were true sportsman and bowhunters... they lived to close the gap and use the bow as it was intended... to kill game at close range... to pit stalking skill against animal... not to willy nilly throw arrows out and hope to put one on that critter somewhere like these guys nowadays that shoot 40, 50, 60 yards and more.... :dunno: :bdid:
If we weren't supposed to fling arrows willy nilly why would they give us quivers that hold so many?
:chuckle: Please keep in mind I'm having a little fun.....
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 02:06:12 PM
Post by: 724wd on February 19, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 19, 2014, 02:10:12 PM
If there is a broadside, feeding elk at 60 yards and I can't close the gap... :archery_smiley:
Post by: jrebel on February 19, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
They were true sportsman and bowhunters... they lived to close the gap and use the bow as it was intended... to kill game at close range... to pit stalking skill against animal... not to willy nilly throw arrows out and hope to put one on that critter somewhere like these guys nowadays that shoot 40, 50, 60 yards and more.... :dunno: :bdid:
I guess guys that shoot rifles at ranges over 47 yards are not "true sportsmen" either....by your definition. :chuckle:
I love threads like this. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: 724wd on February 19, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
shoot, over 25 yards with a recurve in my hands, ANY animal is safe! :tup: but my compound? inside 60 is doable (with the right circumstances).
Post by: RadSav on February 19, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
They were true sportsman and bowhunters...
In '85 I was lucky enough to have a long sit down with Fred Bear at the SHOT show. One of the more funny stories he told was of his longest bow kill. I can't remember what country he was in, but he was hunting tiger. He said when he saw the cat it was too far away and he figured his only chance to kill the cat was to shoot an arrow over it's back into some rocks and maybe it would come his way for a closer shot. "I missed the rocks and killed the cat instead". When I asked how far the shot was he said, "Far enough a guy couldn't hit a hillside full of rocks." :chuckle:
I was only able to sit down and talk with him three times before he passed away. But, those three days are at the top of my three best days ever! He was such an entertaining man.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 19, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 19, 2014, 02:29:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 19, 2014, 02:29:16 PM
About all I can say is that I have never used my bottom pin when shooting at an animal. I agree this thread will most likely beck a grease fire before too long.
:camp: at least grease burns good and hot
Post by: Gringo31 on February 19, 2014, 02:30:25 PM
Anyone who shoots a bow more than 40 yards is criminal and wounds game and not a true sportsman.
Anyone who shoots a muzzleloader over 100 yards is the same
As well as anyone who would dare to shoot a rifle over 300 yards.
IF you do, you are a bad hunter because good hunters can all get within range to see the eyelashes of their game.
BTW, it doesn't matter if conditions are right or how much you practice, hunting in the field is too variable, so those ranges stated above are law.
P.S. If you do shoot farther that that, you better be ashamed of yourself.
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 02:30:49 PM
My friends... Im just jerkin some chains here... it was gonna happen by someone serious eventually... so I just figured I'd get it going right away...
I dont think i could get myself to let loose over 65 yards with my compound... if I was confident things were just right... but I will not hold anything against any of you, shooting ANY distance... thats your decision and you live with the outcome... Ethics are personal...
Yep... Fred and Howard and the boys used to take some hellaciously long and crazy shots! hehehe
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 02:35:49 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on February 19, 2014, 02:37:15 PM
I don't always shoot over 47 yards,
but when i do I use this
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2014, 02:40:36 PM
10 yards any sort of consistency? just curious
Post by: Broken Arrow on February 19, 2014, 02:42:19 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 19, 2014, 02:43:52 PM
That's not me in the pic. I have no idea...just trying to find something funny on the net for long distance shooting!
That thing is awesome. I want one, get me within 2 yards and that deer is DRT.
Post by: diggie-d on February 19, 2014, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on February 19, 2014, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 19, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
This is the first thing you see when you enter my house...Fred and Duke! Yeah, I'm an archery geek :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 19, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: kentrek on February 19, 2014, 03:31:22 PM
They were true sportsman and bowhunters...
In '85 I was lucky enough to have a long sit down with Fred Bear at the SHOT show. One of the more funny stories he told was of his longest bow kill. I can't remember what country he was in, but he was hunting tiger. He said when he saw the cat it was too far away and he figured his only chance to kill the cat was to shoot an arrow over it's back into some rocks and maybe it would come his way for a closer shot. "I missed the rocks and killed the cat instead". When I asked how far the shot was he said, "Far enough a guy couldn't hit a hillside full of rocks." :chuckle:
I was only able to sit down and talk with him three times before he passed away. But, those three days are at the top of my three best days ever! He was such an entertaining man.
Cool story,I have that hunt on film an he doesn't mention that portion of the story...I have another film of Fred telling that exact story tho..said he even double lunged it :
:chuckle:
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 19, 2014, 03:36:43 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 19, 2014, 03:36:55 PM
Cool story,I have that hunt on film an he doesn't mention that portion of the story...I have another film of Fred telling that exact story tho..said he even double lunged it :
:chuckle:
Who produced that film? I would like to get that!
Post by: kentrek on February 19, 2014, 03:52:09 PM
Cool story,I have that hunt on film an he doesn't mention that portion of the story...I have another film of Fred telling that exact story tho..said he even double lunged it :
:chuckle:
Who produced that film? I would like to get that!
Not sure..I found it at black sheep in lewiston...I bought the last one ! Il be home later tonight il get ya the info of who ev made it....if you can't get it any more you more then welcome to my collection..I prolly don't need it for a couple years lol
Post by: wrongway on February 19, 2014, 04:00:15 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on February 19, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
Post by: 4fletch on February 19, 2014, 05:44:01 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 19, 2014, 05:54:05 PM
Never
Post by: coachcw on February 19, 2014, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 19, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
Gringo . 40, 100 and 300 . did you just pull those numbers outta you hinie ?
the 300 number had me laughing
Post by: gonehuntin68 on February 19, 2014, 06:09:45 PM
Anyone who shoots over 47 yards is not a true sportsman or bowhunter... it is unethical and would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave. Howard Hill too.... Geesh.... :bash: :bash:
You need more practice.
52 yards cow elk. She went about 75 yards.
Post by: snarkybull on February 19, 2014, 06:20:52 PM
Post by: blacktailcody on February 19, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
23 yards on a Blacktail 2x2 with a recurve bow. Went 140, double lunged.
60 yards on a whitetail doe with a .243. Dropped right there, spined.
Those are my records and I am proud of em.
My max for a recurve is 20ish.
Max for a compound 45.
Max for a selfbow is 15.
Post by: RadSav on February 19, 2014, 07:00:05 PM
I will never post details regarding my hunts on HuntWa.
Never
Ain't that the truth! I won't give details to most of my friends let alone the internet ethics police. None of their dang business and details no one really needs to hear/read.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 19, 2014, 07:13:39 PM
Hornseeker is talking straight arrow and the others in the 45 yrd range, ( Talking about elk ) unless the arrows are extremely heavy there will be less penetration at longer distances hitting a rib bone going in will most likely make it a possible a one lung shot or a marginal shot which means lost animal or a long cruel death a lot can happen to the arrow in 60 yards , I brag about my close shots 15 , 20 yrd erscan you show me proof of this?
I have personally seen a 360 grain arrow blow completely through an elk at 74 yards while breaking a rib on the way in.
ill never tell who shot the arrow tho... :dunno:
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 19, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 19, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
:chuckle:I said itll turn to a greasefire, but I never said I wont contribute... :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 19, 2014, 07:22:52 PM
I will never post details regarding my hunts on HuntWa.
Never
Ain't that the truth! I won't give details to most of my friends let alone the internet ethics police. None of their dang business and details no one really needs to hear/read.
I don't give details per se but I'll never be ashamed of shots I've taken in the field and I'll be happy to take any shot I'm comfortable with. I'll also be happy to share those choices with Hunt WA if the mood strikes me.
Haters can bend themselves to the appropriate 90 degree angle.
Post by: northwesthunter84 on February 19, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
Post by: 4fletch on February 19, 2014, 10:29:45 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 20, 2014, 05:38:59 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 20, 2014, 06:25:25 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 20, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
My longest shot was 45 yards, which I misjudged as 35 yards and missed under the brisket. Last year, biggest bull of my life. Heart breaker.
Other than that, I've shot one cow and several deer, all within 25-30 yards. With a rangefinder, I would comfortably take a shot to 50 yards. Personally not going past that although my equipment would definitely handle it.
Post by: Hornseeker on February 20, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: Taco280AI on February 20, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 20, 2014, 11:36:59 AM
the proof was back in the day I shot a cow at around 80 yrs hit a rib and the arrow lost inertia penetrated one lung and I had to hunt the animal down
I had the same thing happen twice at 35 yards. Once in '85 and once in '90. Does that give proof that I should not shoot an elk at a distance more than 20 yards? That same elk in '85 took a second shot at 80 yards that hit the rib just in front of the first shot. That arrow was stuck in the tree he was standing in front of. Maybe I should shoot further shots instead of closer ones :dunno: :chuckle:
50 yards, really? YOu realize that is 3 yards past the ethical limit.... shhheeeesh!!!:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: Gringo31 on February 20, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
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Gringo . 40, 100 and 300 . did you just pull those numbers outta you hinie ?
Yep :tup: :chuckle:
Hello, My name is Gringo I shot a buck this year at 79.5 yards with my bow. :'( :cryriver:
I don't like shooting that far but don't regret it either. I carry a 3 arrow quiver and one is a judo.
Post by: coachcw on February 20, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
It's not so much a distance thing . I know a guy that emptied a five arrow quiver then pulled one arrow out of an elk to finish it of . all where very close shots . It's not a matter whether or no the equipment is capable but rather the human behind it . to lump all into the same limit is retarded .QuoteGringo . 40, 100 and 300 . did you just pull those numbers outta you hinie ?
Yep :tup: :chuckle:
Hello, My name is Gringo I shot a buck this year at 79.5 yards with my bow. :'( :cryriver:
I don't like shooting that far but don't regret it either. I carry a 3 arrow quiver and one is a judo.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 20, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
I know that guy too or maybe your not talking about me. :chuckle: if their still stand I'm still flingin.It's not so much a distance thing . I know a guy that emptied a five arrow quiver then pulled one arrow out of an elk to finish it of . all where very close shots . It's not a matter whether or no the equipment is capable but rather the human behind it . to lump all into the same limit is retarded .QuoteGringo . 40, 100 and 300 . did you just pull those numbers outta you hinie ?
Yep :tup: :chuckle:
Hello, My name is Gringo I shot a buck this year at 79.5 yards with my bow. :'( :cryriver:
I don't like shooting that far but don't regret it either. I carry a 3 arrow quiver and one is a judo.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 20, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
50 yards, really? YOu realize that is 3 yards past the ethical limit.... shhheeeesh!!!
:chuckle:
Yes, but when you figure I'll be shooting at an elk that's running straight at me, by the time the arrow bounces of his sternum, he'll be within ethical distance. :tup:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 20, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
It's not a matter whether or no the equipment is capable but rather the human behind it . to lump all into the same limit is retarded .QuoteGringo . 40, 100 and 300 . did you just pull those numbers outta you hinie ?
Yep :tup: :chuckle:
Hello, My name is Gringo I shot a buck this year at 79.5 yards with my bow. :'( :cryriver:
I don't like shooting that far but don't regret it either. I carry a 3 arrow quiver and one is a judo.
It's basically applying ones personal limitations to others and calling it "ethics"
Post by: brushhunter on February 20, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
Post by: blacktailcody on February 20, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 20, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 21, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
Post by: 7t9cobra on February 24, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 24, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
Post by: hoyt2002 on February 24, 2014, 07:50:55 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 24, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 24, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
my distance on a whitetail changes alot with the seasons...sitting in 85 deg weather in Sept in a light shirt on a stand versus sitting in late Nov on the stand in temps in the teens with tons of clothes on changes my effective range
That's a good point. It's easy to practice in 80 degree weather in t-shirts but it doesn't develop your skills in a coat
Post by: huntnnw on February 25, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 25, 2014, 01:13:52 AM
just for fun I was wondering what everyones longest kill shot with a bow is? and on what type of game?
Ok, after some prodding from folks for me to share my longest kill shot I've decided to go ahead and follow the rules set forth by the OP and deal with the hate mail and ethics police.
Date: 1988 (if memory serves me correct)
Bow: PSE Jet-Flite w/York Alpha cams
Arrow: 25" 2115 X7 Black w/4" Bi-Delta Vanes
Broadhead: Savora Swept-Wing 3 blade 117 grains
Release: Scott Turd
Sight: Check-it
Rangefinder: Rangematic 1000...I think
Place: Herford, Oregon
Distance: 154 yards
Game: Sage Rat
Only took me about 18 shots to get it done! :IBCOOL: Let the hate begin :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 25, 2014, 07:26:57 AM
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 25, 2014, 07:39:18 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 25, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
Post by: Greg Mullins on February 26, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 26, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Longest was 104 yards at a yoty and the shortest was about 5 yards at an elk.:tup:
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2014, 10:17:27 PM
Longest was 104 yards at a yoty and the shortest was about 5 yards at an elk.
I think my shortest was a five yard elk shot too! Felt like the arrow never even made it out of the bow before striking the elk. I'm actually quite surprised I killed him (spike). He was running right at me trying to get away from my brother who had just missed him. Couldn't piece together whether I shot while bailing or shot and then bailed. I do know I felt him as he went by! My bow was about three yards behind me when I came to my senses. I still don't know if I threw it or if the elk knocked it out of my hand. That was pretty darn exciting to say the least. My brother laughed at me for about a half hour. "Kill or be killed!", he kept saying. :chuckle: One of the coolest memories of my bowhunting career!
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 26, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
guess i'm way unethical for that shot lol To think how bad I must be to get with in 100 yards of pronghorn in the open lol :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2014, 10:22:03 PM
Nice shooting :tup:
I miss the days when a dozen arrow shafts were $38.00/dozen. Not sure I'd risk one and a half dozen these days at almost $160.00 a dozen just to kill a sage rat. It was fun though!
Post by: kentrek on February 26, 2014, 10:25:14 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 27, 2014, 12:13:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2014, 02:24:16 AM
40 yards, this year, I should be ashamed of myself and the animal didn't even twitch.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 27, 2014, 02:55:17 AM
I'm always impressed with the animals people can count they killed over x amount of yards, but do they also keep track of the near misses, the ones they thought they missed and the ones with arrows sticking out of their arses or the ones they dropped that were standing behind the ones they were shooting at. Is it about the hunt or the kill or the thrill of sending one downrange and to see if it hits something?
40 yards, this year, I should be ashamed of myself and the animal didn't even twitch.
Do you keep track "of the near misses, the ones they thought they missed and the ones with arrows sticking out of their arses or the ones they dropped that were standing behind the ones they were shooting at."?
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 03:07:06 AM
but do they also keep track of the near misses
I know I had at least 17 near misses of the dang sage rat ;)
or the ones they dropped that were standing behind the ones they were shooting at
I took a customer to Winthrop back in the 80's. Got him 20 yards from a small buck. He shot over it's back! Guess in all the excitement 20 yards was too far for him :dunno: Anyway, we looked for his arrow for a few, but I was mad so we soon left to go back to the truck and head for another area. On the drive to the next spot I got to playing the shot over and over in my head. After awhile I turned the truck around. "What are you doing?", asked the young archer. "We're headed back to get your deer.", I replied.
From my vantage point I could not see the arrow in flight through my binoculars. But, the more I played things back in my head the more I thought I had seen his arrow in one of the others behind it as they ran off. Sure enough, 30 yards past where we had stopped looking for the arrow was a dead doe. Heck of a shot right through both lungs :rolleyes: Good thing it was open to flatheads! At times inexperience leads to mistakes regardless of distance.
I missed a cow at 40 yards this year. Don't ask me how...I have no idea! I'd probably hit the heart 49 out of the next 50 similar shots. Guess experience isn't always mistake free either. Though I did wait for the spike to move out of the way before I screwed the pooch.
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2014, 03:15:25 AM
me miss? What are you thinking? :rolleyes:I'm always impressed with the animals people can count they killed over x amount of yards, but do they also keep track of the near misses, the ones they thought they missed and the ones with arrows sticking out of their arses or the ones they dropped that were standing behind the ones they were shooting at. Is it about the hunt or the kill or the thrill of sending one downrange and to see if it hits something?
40 yards, this year, I should be ashamed of myself and the animal didn't even twitch.
Do you keep track "of the near misses, the ones they thought they missed and the ones with arrows sticking out of their arses or the ones they dropped that were standing behind the ones they were shooting at."?
I've been pretty fortunate Jay, but it helps when you are standing on top of them.
Glad you recovered her Rad. Yes, some folks get a little juiced even at 20, in fact maybe even more so. That's the whole point of gettin' close.
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 04:32:28 AM
Yes, some folks get a little juiced even at 20, in fact maybe even more so. That's the whole point of gettin' close.
While I agree in many aspects. I also believe to acquire complete appreciation for the bow you have to see an arrow in the totality of it's flight. Whether small game or paper is the ultimate game of chase in long range archery is up to the individual. However, a destination makes all things greater in the beauty and grace of a well tuned arrow as it rises to heavens and falls to earth.
Probably the greatest words written on the flight of an arrow;
"The flight of an arrow is symbolic of life itself.
It springs from the bow with high aim, flies toward
the blue heavens above, and seems to have immortal
power. The song of it's flight is sweet to the ear.
The rush of it's upward arc is a promise of perpetual
progress. With perfect grace it sweeps onward, though
less inspiring. Then fluttering imperceptibly, it points
downward and with ever increasing speed, approaches
the earth, where, with a deep sigh, it sinks in the soil,
quivers with spent energy and capitulates to the inevitable."
--- Saxon Pope
If that doesn't move you...you're too close :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on February 27, 2014, 04:46:48 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 05:32:25 AM
I wonder if he was thinking of arrows traveling at 350 fps with FOBs on them when he wrote that? :chuckle:
I bet he would have loved lighted nocks!
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2014, 07:34:12 AM
Post by: metlhead on February 27, 2014, 08:17:45 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2014, 08:36:46 AM
Feeling sporty with my recurve at 140yds, I put one right in the earth. Killed it dead! Blacktail doe at 10yds.nice shooting :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2014, 08:39:51 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 08:56:43 AM
I scored a 21 on big foot in Redding for nationals a few years back 101 yards does that count for anything?
Bowhunter class?
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2014, 10:33:44 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
Post by: MLBowhunting on February 27, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
Post by: Igottanewknee on February 27, 2014, 11:15:24 AM
Post by: mountainman on February 27, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
200 yards
Those arrows are awful flat for 200 yards. Must have been an uphill shot :dunno:
I don't know if my bow shoots that far. Dangit, now I have to go find out :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on February 27, 2014, 07:46:07 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 27, 2014, 09:39:36 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 27, 2014, 10:06:10 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2014, 10:31:17 PM
Nice shooting :tup:
I miss the days when a dozen arrow shafts were $38.00/dozen. Not sure I'd risk one and a half dozen these days at almost $160.00 a dozen just to kill a sage rat. It was fun though!
How about the injexion FMJs for only $116 / 6 arrows ? :yike:
Think I'll pass :chuckle:
Post by: bowhuntersd on March 01, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
I shot a deer at 68yrds and took the top of his heart off. Luck or good practice? :dunno:
Post by: Redbeard on March 01, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 04, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
I practice at 60 and keep the longest I will go is 40.
does that feel like you're fighting for your limitations? I will shoot thousands of arrows preparing for a season and develop a sense of my strengths and weaknesses. I'll shoot uphill, downhill, sitting, kneeling, standing, in the rain, heat, wind, and pre-dawn/dusk.
I will know when a shot feels iffy and when I am confident. I will know in just a few seconds. If there is an alerted buck at 42 yards, a strong crosswind and it's 20 mins to dark...no shot for me. However, if there is an elk at 68 yards and it's 10:00 a.m. with bluebird skies and no wind....schwack!
Post by: Redbeard on March 04, 2014, 11:05:39 AM
I know western state hunters shoot farther and that's their business and not mine.
Now this summer when I move out to WA and the hunting terrain changes I might be willing to open up my self imposed limitations.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 04, 2014, 11:14:24 AM
I forget you're in the midwest. It is absolutely crazy when you're out in the sagebrush and you've stalked a deer for 250 yards and you think he's only like 60 away but in reality he's still 90 out :chuckle:
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 04, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 04, 2014, 03:05:21 PM
A coworker of mine, who likes to make stuff up, told me his dad shot an elk from 200 yards away, hit an artery in its leg and it dropped dead where it stood. He was using an old compound with only 50% let off, no sights and no release. This guy also thinks he saw bigfoot :chuckle:
Why are you chuckling? Bigffot is real! Ask Drock 425! He will tell you he tried to keep up with him during elk season! :tup:
Post by: raydog on March 08, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
Post by: SCRUBS on March 08, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
I practice at 60 and keep the longest I will go is 40.
Same here.
Post by: SCRUBS on March 08, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
200 yards
Nice shooting MM.
Post by: jrebel on March 08, 2014, 04:35:36 PM
Post by: huntergreg on March 08, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 08, 2014, 05:14:51 PM
I shoot my bow once a year before the season at 20 yards to make sure I am still sighted in....then I know I am accurate to 90 with my current set up. I am trying to make my bow / string / accessories last exponentially longer by only shooting my bow a max of 3 time a year. So far it has worked. :tup:
Is this a trol or are you serious?
Post by: jrebel on March 08, 2014, 06:35:02 PM
I shoot my bow once a year before the season at 20 yards to make sure I am still sighted in....then I know I am accurate to 90 with my current set up. I am trying to make my bow / string / accessories last exponentially longer by only shooting my bow a max of 3 time a year. So far it has worked. :tup:
Is this a trol or are you serious?
Look at my post count....I'm no troll. Be nice. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: TheHunt on March 08, 2014, 07:13:59 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2014, 08:50:37 PM
Look at my post count....I'm no troll. Be nice. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hard to be nice to a frontiersman sporting that avatar :tung:
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2014, 09:00:41 PM
I have not read all 5 pages but most East coast and MidWest hunters generally do not shoot over 40 yards. West Coast born you get the folks who push the envelope. Generally speaking. :twocents:
Years ago I was in a deer hunting competition in West Virginia. Guys were shooting on the range getting ready for the opener the next day. When asked if I wanted them to make room I said, "No, that's ok. I'll wait until you get back to 50 yards." They all stopped and stared at me. Then one guy say's, "I don't think you western pukes understand. We don't shoot 50 yards."
After five days there were a lot of deer missed. I continued to get grief from the guys in that camp for shooting my buck on the run at 35 yards. At the end of the competition there was only one deer killed in our camp. As I was leaving I told the guy who called me a western puke, "Maybe you need to start practicing at 50 yards. Maybe you won't miss all those easy shots you easterners are so famous for." :chuckle:
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 08, 2014, 09:21:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 08, 2014, 09:24:32 PM
Stooopid hahaha. Cant wait to get shooting again, Its been awhile I miss it.I have not read all 5 pages but most East coast and MidWest hunters generally do not shoot over 40 yards. West Coast born you get the folks who push the envelope. Generally speaking. :twocents:
Years ago I was in a deer hunting competition in West Virginia. Guys were shooting on the range getting ready for the opener the next day. When asked if I wanted them to make room I said, "No, that's ok. I'll wait until you get back to 50 yards." They all stopped and stared at me. Then one guy say's, "I don't think you western pukes understand. We don't shoot 50 yards."
After five days there were a lot of deer missed. I continued to get grief from the guys in that camp for shooting my buck on the run at 35 yards. At the end of the competition there was only one deer killed in our camp. As I was leaving I told the guy who called me a western puke, "Maybe you need to start practicing at 50 yards. Maybe you won't miss all those easy shots you easterners are so famous for." :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 08, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
Post by: Jellymon on March 09, 2014, 12:59:26 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 09, 2014, 01:27:43 AM
Cant wait to get shooting again, Its been awhile I miss it.
I find a good long break now and again to be just what the doctor prescribes. Even the best archers from time to time start anticipating the shot and start struggling with poor habits. A couple months off and then return to the basics with very deliberate practice is great. I spend a week drawing and aiming, but no shooting. Then I spend a week shooting and not aiming (usually with my eyes closed). Then a week of shooting at eight or ten yards at a spot about 8" in diameter. Then if all is going well I drop that spot down to about 3". If it is not going well I start a month of basics all over again. After a full month of basic progression goes well I return to shooting as usual.
Since I'm often messed in the head I find the annual reboot important to my success. As long as I do not rush forward and skip the basics it greatly improves those long range shots. If I don't force myself to do it annually I start to have problems. While I never am completely void of target panic it does make it manageable. I think mainly because all the other little bad habits that have crept in over the past season are gone and I can once again concentrate on the important simple things - Capitol "T", Aim, mantra (I am Randy Ulmer), back tension, release and follow through.
Post by: rasbo on March 09, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 09, 2014, 08:28:41 AM
I consider myself a decent shot up to 40-50 yards. I honestly can't comprehend loosing an arrow at an animal beyond that, but that's just me.
Post by: TheHunt on March 09, 2014, 02:51:11 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on March 10, 2014, 10:14:25 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
I was watching a hunting show the other day where a guy shot a whitetail at like 50 yards. I couldn't believe how much that deer moved before the arrow got there. It makes me realize that shooting open sage mulies at longer distances is "safer" than those flinchy whitetails. :twocents:
Without a doubt!
Post by: MagKarl on March 11, 2014, 10:08:50 AM
Post by: KimberRich on March 11, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
Post by: PA BEN on March 13, 2014, 05:43:13 PM
Anyone who shoots over 47 yards is not a true sportsman or bowhunter... it is unethical and would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave. Howard Hill too.... Geesh.... :bash: :bash:Howard Hill killed an elk at 125 yds, he missed with his first shot and got him w/the second one. I've killed two elk at 60 yds. Most of my shots are between 14 to 30 yds.
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 14, 2014, 08:33:36 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 14, 2014, 08:54:29 AM
I think a lot of this is first of all your gear and is it capable of that. Also How much do you practice and are you comfortable shooting at these distances!
I think the quality of equipment is higher than the quality of 98% of shooters. In my opinion, if you can put a Washington legal arrow and sharp broadhead in the right place, it will kill that animal everytime.
Putting it in the right place is obviously a combination of equipment and shooter but as long as a mainstream bow is set up properly, it's in the shooter's hands :twocents:
RadSav just recently posted about his wife killing elk out to 55 yards and I doubt she's shooting 70# bows with blazing IBO speeds and heavy pile-driver arrows.
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2014, 09:23:29 AM
RadSav just recently posted about his wife killing elk out to 55 yards and I doubt she's shooting 70# bows with blazing IBO speeds and heavy pile-driver arrows.
If she would shoot the dang things head-on at 3 feet she wouldn't need to shoot 55 yards :chuckle:
But, yeah this whole western hemanly high poundage, need the energy of a 30-06 out of my bow thing isn't necessary. Maybe if we are talking traditional longbows it's an issue, but not much with modern compounds and good sharp broadheads. Lorraine doesn't always get exit wounds, but she has only a 24.5" draw length and shoots 50#. Since she knows where the heart is we rarely need to blood trail her animals anyway. Her last big bull was also at 55 yards. Shooting Beman ICS 500's she got 24" of penetration after breaking a rib. That bull went unusually far for her average elk kill. I'm thinking he made it 60 or 65 yards with a blood trail a blind angry squaw could follow without stopping once.
Even with her low poundage and short draw length I rarely ever find an arrow in a deer she has shot. Usually takes longer to find the arrow five or ten yards past impact than it does to find the deer. And trust me...she is a killing machine with a bunch of critters under her belt! So these aren't flukes!
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2014, 09:40:04 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2014, 10:01:42 AM
In my hayday I was shooting a good number of animals a year between most western states, Catalina, Texas and South Carolina. I was shooting 68# with a 28.5" draw length and 2115 X7 aluminum arrows cut to 27.5". My chrony speed was 225 fps. Now if I were to take my current Bowtech Experience and wanted to shoot the same arrows I did back then I'd have to drop my draw weight to 43#! Yep, 43# of draw weight to equal the setup that landed me about 16 elk back in those days, not to mention all the big bear and pigs that went along with that. And here is the real kicker - If I type those numbers into Archers Advantage (Experience, 43#, 28.5" draw, 27.5" 2115, 117 grain point) guess what my estimated speed is? Yep, 225 fps. Same as it was 25 years ago when everyone told me I had to shoot at least 65# to get adequate penetration and performance to shoot more than 45 yards.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
Alright since your throwing out numbers and stuff in your opinion do you think the 6 grains per pound rule is still necessary for Washington or is it kinda outdated law? I really think a 350 grain arrow at 65 or 70 pounds would blow right through an elk :dunno:
I honestly don't believe the 6 grain rule was passed to assure penetration and/or efficiency. In talking with Glen St. Charles, who actively lobbied for it, his goal was to keep bowhunting "Primitive". He feared that success rates with fast arrows would lead to the loss of hunting days for bowhunters. And since those in Olympia don't understand anything about archery equipment conjecture and fear were the tools used to sway the vote. He told me on more than one occasion how disappointed he was they did away with the 400 grain minimum. Even if it did discriminate against women and young bowhunters.
To answer your question about 350 grain arrow from 65 or 70 pounds let's once again look at the success my wife has had. The arrows she has been using for the past eight or so years have been 356 grains. For her that's 7.1 grains per pound of draw weight. From her 50# Kobalt they travel at 215.3 fps. She has not once failed to kill an elk she has shot. And I do not remember ever tracking an elk she has shot for more than 80 yards (Most have been less than 45). She has proven it not only accurate, but deadly efficient out to 63 yards.
Post by: kingfisher82 on March 17, 2014, 06:12:31 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 17, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
Alright since your throwing out numbers and stuff in your opinion do you think the 6 grains per pound rule is still necessary for Washington or is it kinda outdated law? I really think a 350 grain arrow at 65 or 70 pounds would blow right through an elk :dunno:
I honestly don't believe the 6 grain rule was passed to assure penetration and/or efficiency. In talking with Glen St. Charles, who actively lobbied for it, his goal was to keep bowhunting "Primitive". He feared that success rates with fast arrows would lead to the loss of hunting days for bowhunters. And since those in Olympia don't understand anything about archery equipment conjecture and fear were the tools used to sway the vote. He told me on more than one occasion how disappointed he was they did away with the 400 grain minimum. Even if it did discriminate against women and young bowhunters.
To answer your question about 350 grain arrow from 65 or 70 pounds let's once again look at the success my wife has had. The arrows she has been using for the past eight or so years have been 356 grains. For her that's 7.1 grains per pound of draw weight. From her 50# Kobalt they travel at 215.3 fps. She has not once failed to kill an elk she has shot. And I do not remember ever tracking an elk she has shot for more than 80 yards (Most have been less than 45). She has proven it not only accurate, but deadly efficient out to 63 yards.
So you're implying that my 84 lb draw and 505gr arrows will penetrate adequately? :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 17, 2014, 08:22:29 PM
So you're implying that my 84 lb draw and 505gr arrows will penetrate adequately? :chuckle:
Even if they are wearing sinter block and plywood flack jackets :chuckle: I know they must wear them somewhere. Because that's what all the experts test broadheads for!
Post by: throttlejocky20 on March 18, 2014, 09:51:52 AM
Longest shot on deer 55
Passed a 75 yard shot on a buck last season (there was to many variables, Up hill and side hill, slight wind, adrenalin, ECT)
With that said I practice out to 100 yards and have a hard time shooting an animal over 60. The only reason I shot the elk is I had my old man behind me telling me I could make the shot and whispering behind me all the things I needed to hear (smooth breaths, steady anchor, pick a spot, smooth release). With out him there I would have passed the opportunity.